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France: Anti-gay marriage protests staged as Senate debates bill

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  1. onesecond 4 Apr 2013, 7:32pm

    Let us hope the bill will get passed soon, so we will get rid of these idiots protesting equal human rights soon.

    1. Let them eat fairy cake!

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Apr 2013, 7:55pm

    It’s going to pass in spite of the protests which means there never were enough of them to have any impact. Not so much as a prayer has helped them it seems. I suppose their God doesn’t listen to them.

    Now let’s see if the same Catholic loons will be taking to the streets after it passes, taking their children as a shield and demanding jobs and other policies they disagree with. I suspect they won’t be, bigots are notorious for lying.

  3. Helge Vladimir Tiller 4 Apr 2013, 8:08pm

    Cross my fingers for beautiful France. And our lovely sisters and Brothers !

  4. It’s pretty clear from all the hatred aimed at gay, lesbian, and trans people over the past year, during the build up to these bills in various countries, that the passing of the legislation may grant us marriage but it will NOT grant us equality.

    The hatred, unfortunately, is likely to remain. The UK Labour government passed a great deal of legislation in our favour from 1997 onwards but in the last year we have seen a horrible amount of evidence proving that the homophobia has remained, despite the changes in the law.

    1. Eddy, it’s a journey, not a destination. Don’t get down – we’re making fabulous progress. Change takes a long time, but if I compare where we are now to where we were when I came out in the 70s there’s a word of difference.

      1. * world

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Apr 2013, 9:47pm

        Totally agree with that. Full equality really won’t be reality in our life time I don’t think until the day we can walk hand in hand unafraid, exchange affection in public without ridicule or harassment and a drastic decline in homophobia. It’s a long way off but equal marriage is arguably the most important hurdle to get over and will play a hugely significant part to play in advancing equality. We have indeed come a very long way in such a period of time, in spite of the hatred towards us.

        1. friday jones 4 Apr 2013, 10:31pm

          Keith likes a strong beverage that can wash the taste of little boy out of his prayerhole.

        2. You still around?

          Funnily enough, gay people dislike paedo’s too so in that respect I agree with you. Now, if only you’d stop poisoning this site with your trolling and accept that there are gay people, there are straight people, there are people between that continuum and then there are those scum that abuse children – scum that abuse both boys and girls and which has nothing to do with the way consenting adults live their lives. But then you’ve seemingly nothing better to do than repeatedly post inflammatory comments. You must be very proud, well done

        3. Mmmmm, Keith, here you are again posting. You must stop posting so much, it really gets me so horny. You’re such a tease for attention.

        4. Keith, aren’t you a catholic cardinal?

        5. “Full equality really won’t be reality in our life time I don’t think until the day we can walk hand in hand unafraid, exchange affection in public without ridicule or harassment and a drastic decline in homophobia.”

          So true! And right now, here in the UK, there is NO WAY that I and my Civil Partner would walk hand in hand down any street or show any affection in public more than any two “good mates” are allowed to do.

          The contrary will say that we are part of the problem, that things won’t change till we make them change, but my partner and I are not willing to open ourselves to the possibility of abuse, hate language, insult, even assault, as happens and is reported in these pages.

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Apr 2013, 12:32pm

            It’s a sad commentary isn’t it Eddy? It’s going to come but as I said, not in our life time. It’s already starting in the Netherlands, not that it doesn’t have its share of homophobic harassment, but we’re making inroads there. It’s a good start but there’s a long road ahead of us.

    2. But there is a reason that all this hate is being spewed out in France, America, the UK and wherever there is real progress being made. Same sex marriage is at last a reality in sight and the last piece of the equality jigsaw as regards legislation and they are fighting it to the last ditch and they are fighting nasty.They realise , in the west at least, that they are on the wrong side of history. It will be ages before some others countries catch up – if ever – and that is so sad.

      Of course

    3. Eddy, you’re being far too pessimistic !

      The RCC and its allies know they are losing, so they are resorting to every scare story in a desperate last ditch bid to prevent Equal Marriage.

      They will fail.

      The worst that can happen is that the Lords may delay it for a while until they are overruled by the Parliament Act. Uruguay, France and Scotland may beat us to it, but we’ll all get there sooner or later.

      Once Equal Marriage is a fact, no-one will seriously seek to repeal it. The controversy will simply fall out of the headlines. The sky won’t fall in, Christianity will become a minority in Britain and life will go on.

      Remember all the Millennium Bug scare stories back in 1999? Gloom and doom failed to materialise, and before long everyone wondered what all the fuss had been about. It’ll be just like that. :-)

  5. sanscapote 4 Apr 2013, 9:32pm

    I hope, this bill will became a reality, but its not end of the story, not at all. When UMP will come back to power 2017, they will abolish this law (or at least same-sex adoption), or will bring all of this in the national referendum on this matter. At the moment 53% of French population are in favor of gay marriage and 43% in favor of adoption (statistics from last Thursday).

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 4 Apr 2013, 9:52pm

      They may not be so easy to implement three years after it’s been legislated. There will be thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of gay couples marrying in France. The implications of that are very serious for any politician seeking to overturn a law of such immensity. Having a referendum can often be political suicide for an opposing party. If it were to happen, those demonstrations in Paris this year will pale in comparison to what will happen if the UMP even dare try it. I don’t think France wants to see violence and civil unrest again.

      1. sanscapote 4 Apr 2013, 10:49pm

        If until May-June 2017 an majority of French population still see same-sex marriage as “Socialist project only” and our opponents still rest so incredible active and with very good finances how they are now, then “ratings” of gay marriage at the time will be even lower than it has became now (-10% in one month). Under such conditions every thing will be possible. Hellas.

        1. Well time will tell on that, but based on the opposition to say Civil Partnerships when they were introduced in the UK compared to the opposition to them now (virtually non-existent) after people have realised it never did cause society to implode but rather gave the opportunity for people close to them to commit to one another, then I’m optimistic the same will be played out in France (and indeed the UK) when equal marriage is approved – the opposition will melt away as the majority realise it has zero impact upon their lives.

        2. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Apr 2013, 12:03am

          Courage, sanscapote! Courage!

  6. Doth they protest to much?

  7. Gay marriage and jobs aren’t in conflict. What a silly protest.

  8. sillyfrance 5 Apr 2013, 1:08am

    France should leave the European Union and these bigots should be really ashamed

    1. Why should France leave EU?

      What is the attraction to being an Internet troll don’t you have something constructive to do?

  9. There are other left wing parties in France and together with the Socialists I can’t see why this Bill will fail. The Left wing parties have a clear majority I thought.

    The UMP(the right) party was pretty unpopular when they got kicked out and they left the socialists with a crippled economy. How quickly they forget that and how quickly they forget that the Socialist won the election with an equal marriage policy being televised on TV as one of their key social policies. The French voted for it , so the protestors should just shut up. As for the link between jobs and SSM, I just don’t get it.

    I also don’t think the protestors have the full support of all the opposition party. Not all the UMP senators will vote against it. They are a weakened party and although there are some UKIP/NF type members in it I can’t believe they are all like that.

  10. Let them eat Fruit cake

  11. There will be some lovely photographs of this protest that the perpetrators will be able to share with their grandchildren. “Look, here’s me trying to deny people their basic human rights!” “What a shit you were then, grandpa!”

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Apr 2013, 12:36pm

      The sweet irony in all this is that some of their children are tomorrow’s gays and lesbians. They’d better watch very carefully what they don’t wish for. It will come right back at them and bite them in the collective arse. No amount of prayer and church-going will make it disappear. We are far stronger than that. Equal marriage is unstoppable and they know it. They’re flogging a dead horse.

  12. On the other hand 5 Apr 2013, 10:48am

    It would be good if PN gave us some analysis of the people behind the French protests, particularly as they tried to get a feeble effort off e ground in London too. Are they fascists, fundamentalists, etc? Or does France still have an ultra homophobic cardinal at the helm?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 5 Apr 2013, 12:29pm

      Indeed, the roman cult played a major part in the Paris demonstrations. I’ve no doubt there are one or two of the Cardinal O’Brien ilk involved, probably more.

  13. Jock S. Trap 5 Apr 2013, 11:13am

    What people will do to show they are homophobic and discriminating… so openly too.

    How will they look when this passes… how will their children see them. It’s shameful.

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