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Lord Carey: David Cameron’s support for marriage equality has made Christians feel persecuted

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  1. Michael Hudston 30 Mar 2013, 9:08am

    Christians have persecuted many minorities including Blacks, Gays, and other religions for hundreds of years and now they are complaining that they feel persecuted themselves, rather than supporting Equality for all! Payback is a bitch sometimes.

    1. It was only last year that they voted against allowing women bishops. Don’t forget that just like islam, they’re not even done with gender yet.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 11:59am

      Homophobic religious cults, RCC and CoE, two of the protagonists have been villifying gay people for centurie, including Carey. Their hateful rhetoric over the past year is nothing short of fomenting persecution, intolerance and discrimination against gay people. Archbigot O’Brien called equal marriage ‘grotesque’, in other words, our relationships are grotesque, to put it mildly. Other religious nutters allude to polygamy, incest and bestiality if equal marriage is enacted. Do these bigots think words like that don’t have consequences and they don’t infer persecution? Carey is a vile, disgusting example of bigotry and hypocrisy combined. Of course, who but the Mail would give this wide coverage?

    3. Xians feel a tad “persecuted” when for 2000 years these mental delusionals (who believe in all things supernatural) have been monopolising the role of TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO!

      Simply turn your back on them and live by another code and they claim they are being “persecuted”.

      Diddums, Diddums, Diddums Carey!

      All religious delusionals need either to keep their mumbo-jumbo delusions entirely to themselves, within the four walls of their homes and churches/mosques/synagogues, or they need to be brought in for enforced counselling (CBT – Cognitive Behaviour Therapy) until such time as they learn to accept the real world, devoid of spirits, ghosts, gods, angels, goddesses, elves, goblins, and fairies!

  2. Didums!

  3. (Said in the whiniest sarcastic voice)

    I am a christian and I am being stopped from making some other human beings lives miserable because my book tells me to so I am being persecuted!

    (That’s about the sum ofit right? Or have I left something out?)

    1. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 10:54am

      John Paul, it’s not about forcing misery it’s about presenting the light of Truth to the world so that true happiness can be sought and lived. Christianity is purest and tolerant and moreover forgiving.

      Here, the narrow-minded projection of Christianity takes place which is not the Truth

      1. Please keep your “Light of Truth” to yourself.

        It’s done enough damage already.

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 12:10pm

        Most of christianity is narrow-minded. Their light of truth alludes to equal marriage heralding a demand for polygamy, incest and bestiality but there is no evidence to support any of it. It’s all conjecture and posturing. Telling lies and spreading hate aren’t what I would call christian values. In fact, it’s nothing more than bigotry and hypocrisy combined as well as bearing false witness against one’s neighbour.

        1. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 1:14pm

          Robert you make no sense what so ever. Please support your thoughts for they are only your made up opinions.

          You, like most, base your opinion on rag tabloid media.

          1. Jock S. Trap 30 Mar 2013, 3:36pm

            Clearly, Real Truth hurts!!

      3. Bollocks you cant

      4. “Deus caritas est”, your Xianity, is absolutely no different and no better than all of the other made-up ancient cults of mumbo-jumbo!

        Everyone who surrenders all rationality to the proclamations of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, the Baha’i Faith, the Unification Church, Spiritism, the Sumerian religion, Cheondoism, Druidism, Druze, the Ancient Egyptian religion, the Etruscan religion, the Polytheism of Ancient Greece, Hermeticism, Atenism, LaVeyan Satanism, Mandaeanism, Manichaeism, Meher Baba, New Age religions, Orphism, the Rastafari movement, Ravidassia, Samaritanism, Scientology, Shinto, the Native American Church, Swedenborgianism, Taoism, Tenrikyo, Thelema, Urantianism, Wicca, Yarsan, Yazidi, Bon, Yoruba, Asatru, Ayyavazhi, or Zoroastrianism, is, clearly, seriously deluded (mentally ill).

        1. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 6:21pm

          You’re statement is hate fuelled. You command, demand and bleat tolerance yet cannot tolerate that which is different to you.

          The trouble with your narrow-minded liberalism is that you want everything on your terms and to hell with traditions and the belief of others.

          1. Hit a nerve have we.

            F\/ck your evil “traditions”

      5. Jock S. Trap 30 Mar 2013, 3:33pm

        Yeah and a chosen lifestyle unlike the LGBT who are born this way for said chosen religions to treat as second class.

        Choosing religion does Not make people superior.

  4. PeterinSydney 30 Mar 2013, 9:25am

    These self proclaimed martyrs for Christianity drive me mad, when they are demanding the right to be ferociously discriminatory. They demand freedom to deny freedoms to other they have irrational dislike for. They are the antithesis of Jesus.

  5. Chester666666 30 Mar 2013, 9:26am

    He really is an old wind-bag
    Politically Correct is what he refers to equality as, doesn’t he get what is fair and good anymore?

  6. paul barnes 30 Mar 2013, 9:27am

    Try growing up gay and try growing up Christian, archbishop, and then tell me who feels persecuted, and by whom. #outoftouchandparanoid

  7. ColinJones 30 Mar 2013, 9:31am

    As this country becomes less and less Christian it becomes more and more tolerant, Carey is the kind of right wing hypocrite who thinks that religion should be part of the social order with God at the top, then the establishment and so on down to the bottom with the poor doffing their caps to their betters like in the good old days when the C of E owned slaves.

    1. Unbelievable.

      How can Christains no start playing the ‘discrimination card’? Especially after the vile homophobia that this religion had been responsible for during the last to millennia?

      Sickening. Absolutely disgusting comments.

    2. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 10:56am

      You’re wrong. Be aware that Islam is on the rise.

      Christianity is the most tolerant of all. You’d be wise to keep the in mind.

      1. I don’t want to be ‘tolerated’ by your sort, thank you very much. I want to be EQUAL.

        1. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 1:16pm

          You’re loved Gerry. No more no less than me or anyone else

      2. Most tolerant of all

        Do you really have no awareness of history?

        Or, for that matter, other religions like Buddhism?

        1. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 1:11pm

          Buddhism???!!! Are you aware of their theory of moral causation? You’d do well to read more about the severe suffering in Buddhist countries.

          I know a great deal about Church history and maintain Christianity – Catholicism specifically – is the Truth and as a religion is the most tolerant and forgiving.

          1. Karma is bollocks, I agree – but no more than you Catholics’ obsession with sin. And what suffering in Buddhist countries recently could match Catholic Rwanda’s?

            Bless you, my sweet. You’re beyond help.

      3. Time these lying bigots got a taste of their own hate – ALL superstition is redundant and needs to be wiped out

      4. Just a few points. 1: Census data shows the Islamic population of Britain is 37% larger than it was 10 years ago, whic looks pretty threatening.
        2: You seem blissfully unaware of the facts that both the Islamic population amounts to single digit percentages of the national population, -And- that the buddhist population grew by a staggering 74% over what it was 10 years ago.
        3: With christians losing the morality monopoly in this country, by far, most of the room that was left by it’s decline was taken up by the non-religious, and those who keep their religion out of other people’s lives.

      5. Ha, ha, ha! You say “Xianity is the most tolerant of all”. The “Best of the bunch” plea. No. No. No. Haul your head out of the sand. Xianity in its time has been as ugly and as brutal and as blood-thirsty as many of the other world religions have been.

        Grow up! Face reality! There is no “supernatural”. There are no gods, spirits, or angels. Father Xmas isn’t real. Neither are fairies at the bottom of your garden!

        Be a grown-up. Have courage. Stand on the surface of the Earth and admit there is ONLY little you and the vast unknown expanse of the universe!

        It’s actually extremely exciting!

  8. Of course the bigots are being persecuted. That’s how you build a better society. If you don’t enjoy facing the boot heel of “discrimination”, then stop dishing it out every five minutes and we’ll all be happy.

    You cannot be tolerant without not tolerating unjust intolerance.

  9. Keith Francis Farrell 30 Mar 2013, 9:43am

    In October 2012 Lord Carey made a speech at a rally in which he compared the opponents of equal marriage to persecuted Jews in Nazi Germany.

    I wonder when people will remember all the gay people who were also murdered in Nazi Germany. I we had live there at that time we would all be wearing pink tiangles and consigned to death.
    Come on you idiot and start beig a real christian, we are all equal as humansand we all derseve equal rights. You have also failed to remaind everybdy that:
    Registration of the Marriage

    The law requires that the Registers are filled in immediately after the solemnization of a marriage. This may take place either after the Blessing of the Marriage or at the end of the service.

    Therefore you whole story about marriage being something that only the churches have control over is utter nonsense, If the law requires something then you obay the law

    1. He also forgets to mention that in the first 300 years of Christianity, the church married gay people. Now I wonder why the church never tell anyone about their past?

      I’m Transsexual and in a gay relationship. A few years ago I was a Born Again Christian ( for 13 years ). I tried with all my heart to suppress my feelings and eventually tried to hang myself. I failed.

      I’m so glad I did, I’m transitioning and have a person who loves me with all of her heart. Thank the goddess as I’m the happiest I’ve ever been in my life.

      Christianity is a vile,controlling religion. It is so far away from what Jesus actually teaches it’s not even funny. It destroys lives,literally.

  10. Every time a Christian leader says something like this, their numbers dwindle as people on the sidelines know its bullshit and feel the attack on them, their friends, their families and colleagues. They hear the plea for privilege and power and increasingly turn their backs on religion. Carey is speaking to an ever-shrinking minority. Let him keep spouting this tripe so people can see him for what he truly is.

    1. Yup. As a community, we choose kindness and tolerance over religious fundamentalism every day. And long may it continue.

  11. And the KKK feel persecuted that black people are no longer seen as second class citizens.

    1. Precisely!

    2. excellent

  12. Not being able to persecute and discriminate against others makes him feel “persecuted and alienated”. Good.

    1. No special place in society for the christian church – or any other church – any more. Let’s have a bit of tolerance, kindness and reason. Not qualities for which the Churches are famed, unfortunately.

      So yeah. I agree with you. Good.

  13. There are a number of facts that need to be understood when it comes to Carey, here’s a few:

    1. Carey is against any form of homosexuality.

    2. He has no problem with heterosexual divorce and is in favour of the COE allowing divorced couples to marry again. His son is divorced and he is an ardent supporter of Prince Charles who also got divorced.

    3. While Archibishop of Canterbury he managed to upset everyone from the conservatives to the Liberals in his church.

    4. The guy was essentially appointed Archbishop of Canterbury on the recommendation of Margret Thatcher.

    5.The man is a hypocrite.

    6. The man is clearly incpable of acting with honesty integrity.

    7. The most important fact about this man is a nobody. He’s an ex-Archbishop of Canterbury who supports divorce.

    8. The only way he could have any redeeming qualities would be in the area of his dress sense. And I’m afraid a man that wears a red shirt with a brown pin stripe jacket demonstrates that he has none.

    1. 9. The man made damn sure that when Diana Spencer married Charles Windsor in St. Paul’s before a TV-audience of billions, it was he, George Carey, who was seen to be wearing the most gorgeous and the most glittering costume in the cathedral!

      In the style of Eddie Mair, I say “You’re a bit of a nasty twisted piece of work, aren’t you, George Carey!”

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 2:10pm

      And another fact is that he sits in the House of Lords.

    3. I suppose I’m missing something, as usual, but what exactly is your problem with divorce?

      Heterosexual or otherwise. Just for the sake of clarity.

      Really, if you are concerned about divorce on moral grounds then you need to get out a bit more and take a look at what goes on around the world. Divorce is the least of it, heterosexual or otherwise. Trust me.

      1. Cherry-picking from the bible and ‘traditional’ Christian values, Ann. In other words, rank hypocracy.

      2. Ann,

        I don’t have a problem with divorce.

        However, Lord Carey ex-Archbishop of Canterbury is in favour of traditional marriage and describes that if same sex marriage is introduced this would to quote him:

        “empty marriage of its fundamental religious and civic meaning”.

        Traditional marriage is on the basis of ’till death do us part, in sickness and in sorrow, richer or poorer etc.

        That’s his church’s teachings, not mine.

        Yet he’s in favour of divorce.

        That’s hypocrisy and dishonesty.

        His, not mine.

        Thank for you kind invite that I should I get out more. I’ll certainly bear that in mind.

        Now perhaps you won’t be offended when I suggest you read more what someone is actually saying, rather than launching an unnecessary attack.

  14. It beggars belief that this silly man earned a PhD and reached the highest office of the Anglican Church. He is very clearly just not very bright. Bigoted assertions are not arguments. I wonder why he chooses the Daily Malice as his organ of communication!

  15. Lord Carey (as usual) seems confused about the difference between being a “persecuted minority” and being part of an equal society with no right to persecute others. That’s odd, given his favourite book is full of examples of actual persecution. Maybe he should spend more time reading it and less time making ill-considered pronouncements.

    Of course, in truth Lord Carey knows perfectly well that Christians are not persecuted, as he admits in his article. His complaint is that Christians worry about being persecuted, or think they might be in the future.

    Strange that he thinks the solution is to give Christians rights to bully others. One might think a more effective way to dispel groundless fears of persecution might be for senior Christians to stop telling people that Christians are being persecuted.

    The media is not helping here. Evan Davis on Today sounded baffled about what Lord Carey was trying to say, but as usual the BBC is failing to provide counterbalancing argument.

    1. Very well said!

  16. If Lord Carey wants to know the meaning of Christians being persecuted, I’m sure we can make an appointment for him with the lions of Longleat.

    Until then, he’s just whinging.

  17. OK, own up! Who let the Neanderthal out of his cage?

  18. Well get your hate filled bile out of our lives then. Pillock !!!!!

  19. Three years ago, Carey was asking that Christians who find themselves in the dock have their own special appointed panel of ‘sensitive’ judges. When Computer Said No he threw a hissy fit saying that the judgement “continues a trend on the part of the courts to downgrade the right of religious believers to manifest their faith in what has become a deeply unedifying collision of human rights”

    That is Carey for you: It is a Christian’s ‘right’ to have dice-loading special treatment and discriminate against others in the workplace whilst gay people asking for equality are persecutors. He has become an inane self-parody.

    1. Thank god we have the internet, so this sort of stuff will be archived for all to see, and will remain so for eternity.

  20. Kimiko Kotani 30 Mar 2013, 11:45am

    I fail to see how legalising this would prevent anyone from practicing their religion. No one is shutting their churches down or anything, and others getting married doesn’t stop them from their own personal religious obsverances. Also, he says over 60%…really? I somehow doubt that given that even in denominations that oppose same sex marriage, the congregations are often split on the issue at the personal level, and then there is the fact that many denominations DO support marriage equality. And while he is so concerned about Christians being persecuted, what about the gay Christians? Does he not think they just might feel persecuted by folks like him? I think the man is talking a load of horse hockey.

  21. ...Paddyswurds 30 Mar 2013, 11:49am

    What a great epitaph for Carey. A Bishop who engendered all the hatred and evil that lies within religion of whatever hue. To come out whinging about being persecuted by those he and his church and other have persecuted for centuries is appalling…. Is this so called man in full control of his faculties, because he sounds very much like a man who should not be allowed the keys to the door never mind out alone. His utterances have become so nonsensical now that he is seen as a tragic figure of ridicule and scorn, all well deserved…..

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 12:07pm

      What galls me Paddy is that not one MP has the courage to counter people like Carey with the facts and importantly, the truth. They invent their own, re-write everything to promote their agenda against equal marriage. No amount of assurances and protections, not even the quadruple lock, will ever be enough for them. What they really want is for Cameron to give up pursuing it. Their desperation is turning into hysteria. I suspect we’ll be hearing more of this when the bill heads to the Lords. Those 26 clerics sitting there will go on a hateful tirade and will try to derail it long with many of the old school Tory and Labour peers. Lord Dear’s recent comments allude to it and I suspect its their clarion call to the upper chamber to get ready to do battle and I’m sure C4M/CI, Anglican Mainstream, Christian Concern are currently on an email, letter-writing campaign to urge them to blow it out of the water.

      1. I fear you are absolutely correct, Robert.

        I wove the matter into my conversation with an elderly neighbour this morning who I know has read The Guardian and The Observer all her life. She became silent. I fear that even she feels that allowing gays and lesbians to participate in marriage is simple “a bridge too far”!

        When I dwell on this kind of instance, it really hurts. This issue has absolutely demonstrated to me that while I “swan” around amongst heterosexual neighbours and colleagues, being greeted, being joked with, responding in kind, there is STILL, at the end of the day, that underlying belief that I am STILL a second-rate individual.

  22. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 11:54am

    Always playing the bloody victim card aren’t they? The subtext in all this is that what he’s asking for is that Cameron really ought to abandon equal marriage and listen to the bigots who think their beliefs should take precedence over the rest of society and over every piece of legislation, in other words, theocracy.

    I don’t agree with Cameron urging them to stand up to aggressive secularisation. He walked right into a self-contradiction trap and Carey caught him out. If anything, secularisation should be embraced by religious cults if they are to remain relevant in a modern society.

    Carey obviously didn’t tune in to the committee hearings in which protections for religious bigots were explained in great detail, but no, that’s not good enough for them. Too bad. Deal with it or just drop dead.

  23. Carey has always had a contemptible side to him, apart from anything else he’s the most unctuous of arselickers when it comes to royalty.

    I’d remark that it’s clear he’s lost the plot but that would presume he’d once had it in the first place, which is doubtful.

  24. I’m more upset that Cameron is support and encouraging pathetic and violent religions, than his stand on equality.

  25. My husband and I support people of faith. What we don’t support are people of faith who think only their narrow views are the ones that should be heard and that everyone should blindly follow them. What we don’t support are people of faith who use their faith as a weapon of hate.

  26. Pathetic snivelling snotbubble and that nonsense would-be martyr syndrome. This is nothing but the crying of a vicious bloody bully, whinging that they are not allowed to bully any more and how *unfair* that is.

    Keeping in mind that they may not like us, a whole lot of us really don’t like them – But we have no power and they have bishops in the Lords.

    So tell me again about bloody persecution.

  27. These antics homophobic dinosaurs must realised they are loosing their popularity in the modernisation of our society. They can be ignorant as much as they like, we’re going to get gay marriage, and they will fall in this war. By the way, since when they own marriage? How dare they’ve challenge something that every human being most fundamental rights.

  28. So he’s annoyed that Christians like him are having their special rights to persecute others and discriminate against them taken away bit by bit?

    Bizarre… And not at all Christian.

  29. Lord Carey mentions “persecuted minority”, yet these terms are nowhere mentioned in the ComRes poll.

    83% of the Christians answering the poll considered they were “represented unfairly” in the UK media. That is not the same as persecution.

    Lord Carey is spinning this to suit his own agenda.

    The poll is here:
    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/Premier_Cpanel_Results_Church_Image_Feb_2013.pdf

    1. Sorry, Wrong Poll.

      ComRes have since put up another poll which is the one Carey referred to, and it does contain “persecuted minority”

      http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/C4M_Cpanel_Results_Feb_2013.pdf

  30. Aggressive Secularism: the act of standing up to those who would impose their religious beliefs on everyone else. Sounds good to me. Count me in!

  31. Equality is a basic Human Right and should not even have to be debated in a court system or by any religious doctrine.

    I think Wanda Sykes hits the nail on the head:

  32. Deus caritas est 30 Mar 2013, 1:22pm

    I’m no fan of Carey, however he has a point about Christian discrimination being the last acceptable prejudice in Britain.

    He is a blusterer and quite frankly his views are contradictory. This is the problem. He has no credibility.

    1. I think transgender people may have something to say about that

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 2:15pm

      And christians don’t discriminate? The CoE discriminates against female bishops; it discriminates agains gay clergy in a CP by compelling them to remain celibate; the roman cult discriminates against women and married clergy They both discriminate against divorced heterosexuals remarrying in their respective churches. Why isn’t that ever mentioned? They discriminate more than others. Their entire history is fraught with it often ending in violence during the Inquisition and during and after Henry VIII’s dispute with Rome. To this day, they’ve never apologised for the immense harm they’ve inflicted on societies and moreover, gay people. They haven’t stopped either.

    3. Last acceptable prejudice? Seconding what James said.

      Spend some time as a transgender person, then we’ll talk about acceptable prejudices. If you make it through still alive.

      (try looking at the mortality rates through suicide and violence of trans people all around the world sometime and then tell me about prejudice)

  33. Persecution is:

    When someone refuses to live and die by another person’s christian values.

  34. Well that’s Karma for you, isn’t it? :P

  35. Carey is evil, so his flock feel persecuted because they cannot persecute as viciously as they wish. This is comparable with a racist saying they are persecuted because they can’t abuse others or a rapist saying they are persecuted because they can’t rape. Are there any decent christians out there who are not morally bereft, to speak out against this evil rhetoric . I doubt it.

  36. Jock S. Trap 30 Mar 2013, 1:50pm

    Oh dear…. Yes Lord Carey is another one who make such claims but fact is these christian’s ‘persecute’ themselves. They don’t need to but because they’re loosing control of the mainstream in society the most ‘effective’ word they feel they can use is ‘persecution’. It’s just sad.

    Bit like a child having a tantrum and throwing it’s toys out of the pram because they can’t get their own way.

    These people prefer, when it comes to Gay men esp, to think of their own warped twisted assumptions about what we do based on a very few and highlight that as everyone. They somehow want to see us all as dirty and second class.

    Fact is religion and state do not, can not work together for the best interests of society. So they should cut it out and keep to their own discriminating club.

    Let the rest of us continue in progression of society and community.

    I don’t see them fighting for separate taxes systems paid but only fighting for the right to hate and discriminate!

  37. Hey, Religious Dude, read your damn holy book… particularly this part: Matthew 5:10-12, then shut the hell up and do what your supposed to according to your Master’s teachings.

    1. Haha! He should count himself lucky. Although Matthew was talking about real persecution, not the feigned variety.

  38. what about Christian gays & lesbians who are being denied their Rights?? or being persecuted for having faith and being queer, by Christians!!!

    1. Legalistic Christian like Carey say that you cant be queer and a Christian , Jesus says you can !We beleive in Jesus and yet get persecutedby the Church for having faith and being queer !!

      1. ...Paddyswurds 30 Mar 2013, 5:12pm

        More fool you … … .. .

  39. Paul Clevett 30 Mar 2013, 2:44pm

    I”m a Christian and a gay person and i’m fedup with other christians persecuting me and telling me I’m some how a lesser human being.

    1. Dave North 30 Mar 2013, 2:46pm

      Why stay part of a club that hates you?

      1. Joseph oz 1 Apr 2013, 6:05am

        A very good question… but one that unfortunately remains unanswered!

        Can’t understand why lesbians and gays stay in a church that doesn’t support them
        or indeed even tolerates/accepts them… oh well, each to their own?

  40. If Lord Carey would prefer to live in a homophobic theocracy then perhaps Theresa May should be looking into seeing if he can be deported from Britain along with Abu Qatada?;)

  41. johnny33308 30 Mar 2013, 3:45pm

    Christians are the persecutors NOT the persecuted, and they are just very annoyed and angry that they cannot continue to get their way about EVERYTHING in our CIVIL Society! Screw them and their purile religion of hatred! The world needs religion to be gone forever from Humanity….just look at the Christians and Muslims and it is easy to see that these two religions are the cause of most of the problems in this world today….the two most VIOLENT of all religions and they should be eliminated from the consciousness of Mankind….the sooner, the better. They are both entirely evil! And have always been!

  42. Don Harrison 30 Mar 2013, 5:03pm

    1 Samuel 1:1-2
    Elkanah … had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.
    2 Samuel 12:7-8
    Thus saith the LORD God of Israel … I gave thee … thy master’s wives….
    1 Kings 11:2-3
    Solomon … had seven hundred wives … and three hundred concubines.
    1 Chronicles 4:5
    And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
    2 Chronicles 11:21
    Rehoboam … took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.
    2 Chronicles 13:21
    But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives….

    That is just a few of many

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Mar 2013, 6:52pm

      Yes indeed, Don and plenty m ore in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Solomon apparently had 300 or more wives, traditional biblical marriage I suppose.

  43. Hmmm so you feel persecuted because the government wants to allow same sex marriage. I imagine a fascist in the 1930’s would have written much the same if his government decided to allow inter- race marriage. How awful it must be for you to see a despised minority group being allowed to have equal rights – how persecuted you must feel!

  44. Oh boo-hoo, no one wants to play with you anymore. Yeah I guess that’s exactly the same thing as centuries of systematic oppression, hatred and abuse.

  45. They’re not persecuted, they just don’t rule the country anymore.

  46. Har Davids 30 Mar 2013, 6:57pm

    Less bums on seats, thanks to people like Carey who manage to convince even some of his own flock that to be a Christian these days, you’d better not go to church.

  47. Oh, its not like you haven’t persecxuted us is it? No, of course not! You are loving people. Of course you are…

    *plays world’s smallest violin*

  48. Given the fundamentalist minority of the christian faith act like the Klu Klux Klan then they should not be surprised if society reviles them and seeks to limit the hatred they seek to diseminate.

    Carey is obsessed by gay sexuality to a degree that is nauseating – just like a certain catholic cardinal in Scotland, until his true motives of self-hatred were revealed.

  49. The problem with the point of view of Christians as expressed in this article is that disagreement is not the same as persecution. Christians need to get a grip. They are entitled to their views, but the majority of us do not agree with them. On the other hand, we are sufficiently liberal not to persecute them for their views. Religious fanatics, typically, do not show the same liberality and particularly Christians in the history of my country. WWJD? He would join us!

  50. If we ever get SSM then Christians will continue to be able to marry people of the opposite sex , either in churches or wherever. They’ll continue to be able to do whatever they want to.

    In what way is that persecution? Registrars and teachers already have to deal with gay people. It’s their job. Their unions don’t want opt outs.

  51. Councillor John Worrow (Kent) 30 Mar 2013, 10:04pm

    As someone, who was raised in the Anglican tradition, I am deeply offended by the bigoted comments from Lord Carey, who not only opposes marriage equality, but says that Christians in the UK are being persecuted. This is an insult to Christians in places like Iran, who are really being persecuted. Anglican Supremacy might be on the decline, just as White Supremacy is, BUT the C of E is still the only faith with appointed Bishops in the House of Lords….. is that persecution?.
    Lord Carey is just a bigot, who is afraid of losing (power) supremacy, this is the real reason for his sickening homophobic rants! Our society is for everyone, not just for ‘Tribal Supremacists’ hiding behind religion!

  52. WantsToKnow 30 Mar 2013, 10:24pm

    Aaaawwww… poor babies. They’re feeling “persecuted”? Too bad! We gays could tell them a lot about really being “persecuted”… happens to us every day.. and mainly at their hands.

  53. lukefromcanada 31 Mar 2013, 12:02am

    they are just reaping what they have sowed. “Christians have been saying awful things for years about gays and now its payback

  54. Just say NO to religious tyranny.

  55. Stop waffling and go home.

  56. Yawn. The victim card is getting pretty worn.

  57. Irony doesn’t get any more ironic than this.

  58. Robert in S. Kensington 31 Mar 2013, 2:43pm

    And the latest poll suggests the CoE is fast losing any relevance for the British people and it wonders why. Keep on doing it Carey, you’re helping the extinction of your moronic cult with one foot already in the grave, not soon enough.

  59. Carey’s just a old man stuck in his old ways
    who will not wake up to the 21st century

  60. johnny33308 2 Apr 2013, 1:37am

    Media whore much? You retired and yet here you are again in the media! Media whore much? You’re retired so go ‘retire’ yourself away from the media and STFU since no one is interested in your loud mouth any longer, you old ecclesiastical bigot…..

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