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New Zealand: Poll shows equal marriage opposition up from last year

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  1. The poll really doesn’t matter. Our Marriage Equality Bill is now out of its Committee stage and heading for its third and final reading.

    There’s an interesting rumour that David Cameron and John Key have a bet on over who’ll get marriage equality past the finish line first…

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Mar 2013, 9:10pm

      I think it will be New Zealand, but don’t forget, France will beat both on April 2nd.

      1. bobbleobble 28 Mar 2013, 1:43am

        I think you’re getting your dates muddled. The Uruguay senate is scheduled to vote on April 2. In France the bill will go before the Senate on April 4 and will be discussed between then and April 12. I’m not sure what the procedure is then, presumably they’ll vote at that stage.

        Looks like the third reading of New Zealand’s bill will be 17 April now that the bill has passed the whole house committee stage this evening.if it passes the third reading (and there’s no reason it shouldn’t) then New Zealand is good to go. Next month should be a good un!

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Mar 2013, 11:40am

          Thanks for clarifying, bobbleobble.

    2. Jock S. Trap 28 Mar 2013, 10:55am

      I suspect sadly John Key.

      I suspect the Lords will try to through this out being the undemocratic people they are and should the Parliament Act be used, which I hope it will then I suspect those same bigoted undemocratic people/religions will try to fight and stall in the courts.

      I do believe that more people support us in our fight due to the clearly open homophobia the churches/religions and it’s fan base has used.

      I would also like to see all taxpayers money that goes to religion stopped and used more productively in society and religion paying for itself by itself and it’s fan base only.

  2. If the polling has been changed then obviously that can lead to problems getting to the core feelings of those surveyed. Also, some of the religious nuts you have in New Zealand seem almost as bad as the US, and their lies have almost certainly had an effect.

    One of the most effective lies is telling people pastors will be forced against their will to marry same-sex couples. Most people know this is complete bull, but it’s used in every country where same-sex marriage is proposed — in fact, it was actually used here in the UK when Civil Partnerships were proposed. The reality is that pastors have never been forced to marry couples they don’t, personally, approve of. Even CofE priest, with their statutory obligations, often refuse heterosexual couples for all sorts of spurious reasons.

    Good luck New Zealand, hope you get it soon :)

  3. April —– France, Uruguay and NZ are 99% guaranteed equal marriage victories. Possibility of inkling of what the final Scottish bill is going to be like. First indications of how the House of Lords will treat the other bill. Potential for Illinois & Rhode Island legalisation. Potential of movement on Delaware and Hawaii bills. Possible timetabling of Luxembourg vote. Progress on Colombia bill. Irish Constitutional Convention recommendations to Enda Kenny.

    Happy days!

  4. Of course NZ has not slid backwards on Gay rights. Semantics in the poll is to blame.

    1. bobbleobble 28 Mar 2013, 1:45am

      It wouldn’t be all that surprising if there has been a rise in anti-SSM sentiment given that those opposed have just spent six months spewing out as much misinformation and doom mongering propaganda as they can manage.

  5. True, but New Zealand is also far more secularised than the United States, although ‘our’ fundies use crib notes from the US Christian Right. The words ‘slavishly dependent’ are an accurate description. I suspect much the same is happening with the UK Christian Right.

  6. However, if the House of Lords throws a temper tantrum over marriage equality in England and Wales, there’s always the Parliament Act, isn’t there?

  7. Jock S. Trap 28 Mar 2013, 10:51am

    Still a minority however I do wish these bigots would learn that just because of who we are doesn’t make us easy targets for continuous debate and polls.

    I am a human being, I love…. just like everyone else and just as marriage between a man and a woman would never be up for debate nor should other couples regardless of gender.

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 28 Mar 2013, 11:44am

    Thankfully, New Zealand doesn’t have a House of Lords to contend with, the way it should be. I wouldn’t want an elected upper chamber either because it would mean the end of the Parliament Act.

    I just don’t understand why we in the UK have an upper chamber which can reject a bill yet the Commons can override it by using the Parliament Act. What is the point in delaying a bill for a year if it means it’s going to pass anyway? It just seems pointless and an utter waste of time.

    1. What’s the official Labour policy on abolition of the House of Lords and its replacement with a (PR?-) elected Senate? Might be worth a look-in.

      We Kiwis abolished our Legislative Chamber in 1951. Ironically enough, it was our centre-right National Party who did so.

      And at least there is the Parliament Act in your context…

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