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UK: Two Hertfordshire teens admit homophobic abuse of man on bus

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Mar 2013, 6:10pm

    I’m sorry, I don’t agree that underage homophobes’ names shouldn’t be named. Where are the parents in all this? Why aren’t they held to account?

  2. Damaged goods by the sounds of it.
    Hope they recover.
    Hate is leaned – it is, nor ever has been, innate.

    1. Oops – learned –

  3. On the other hand 26 Mar 2013, 7:59pm

    I’m not at all surprised by this. Hertfordshire is a dump, full of semi-literate oafs.

    1. Liam the God 26 Mar 2013, 8:52pm

      Not ALL of us from Hertfordshire are like that, so watch your language!

    2. PantoHorse 26 Mar 2013, 9:06pm

      OTOH, I never find comments like this helpful. Saying someone, or some place, is in some way deficient purely as a result of location (and therefore being prejudiced) only serves to nullify your argument.

      It’s not helpful and doesn’t aid the debate in any way. It’s just silly. And rather childish.

  4. friday jones 26 Mar 2013, 10:28pm

    You’d think that the judge would at least forbid them from riding the buses for six months or a year. Since they abused the bus system when they abused one of its passengers.

  5. I used to have regular trouble on a bus route with a gang of girls being loud and abusive generally and harassing passengers. I asked the driver to chuck them off and he refused to get involved.

    Luckily they were in school uniform so I rang their headmaster the next morning and described them.

    That evening they continued in the same vein, but in addition using obscenities in reference to their headmaster.

    I rang the headmaster next morning and repeated the obscenities they had used about her. She then called in all their parents to the school.

    That evening they all trouped on in complete silence and sat apart from each other.

    Never had a problem again.

    All kids should have to wear school uniform.


    1. Just realised that should have been Headmistress.

    2. Well played, though I can’t help thinking regarding this article the fines are too lenient.
      There’s a lot of kids in my neighbourhood who know full well that the law can’t touch them until they’re 16 and take full advantage of that fact.
      By the age of 12 they’ve graduated from playing chicken with passing cars to swaggering down the back alleys in groups abusing total strangers both verbally and physically like they’re Al Capone running a protection racket, safe in the knowledge that the police don’t want to know and the grown ups won’t fight back as they don’t want to get into trouble with the law themselves.
      And if you imagine that a group of 12 year olds can’t be threatening you’re banking without the accumulated karate lessons/ boxing training they’ve clocked up.

      1. Liam the God 27 Mar 2013, 1:53pm

        The age of criminal responsibility in England and Wales is TEN! These kids SHOULD have been punished more severely!

  6. James Campbell 19 Apr 2013, 1:37am

    Speaking as someone who assesses and treats children & young people with behaviour issues, I do not agree that placement in a young offenders centre or referral to a panel is appropriate for some offenders. Getting them off the streets for several months or even longer, simply puts their extreme behaviour on-hold whilst they establish a network with others of the same violent tendency. Incarceration in a hot house of violence will not solve the problem beyond a brief respite for victims. These maladjusted thugs may require the kind of support and understanding they miss out on at home, not the do-good, touchy-freely kind, but as part of a re-education programme that just *may* allow them to peacefully integrate into society. We, as a society should be the ones calling the shots and setting the standards NOT those who obviously cannot cope with anyone different from themselves.

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