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UK: Trafalgar Square protest speech claims same-sex marriage will lead to ‘colonialism again’

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  1. Liam the God 25 Mar 2013, 12:28am

    I see: So THEY are the Liberators, and we are the oppressive Colonialists…. What’s wrong with this picture?
    All the best, Captain Beaky.

  2. hmm they claim to stand for liberty but they want to deny the same liberty to others … sounds like a hypocrite to me

    1. Hypocrite and male chauvinist. He refers to women as creatures.

      Says it all.

      A speech of desperation, scraping the bottom of a barrel already scraped thin.

  3. Julian Morrison 25 Mar 2013, 12:37am

    Ironically, they are right, international “aid” is used for very murky geopolitics and colonialist interference, and adding “oh and also, be nice to gays” to that list of demands doesn’t exactly help. Bear in mind that these countries have home grown activists, who NGOs tend to stomp over, patronise and ignore.

    But equally and as much it’s valid to say that the USA in particular is exporting its hate (that has started not to sell so well back home) via “christian” funding and travelling to give talks and whip up homophobia. If I had my way, the American pastors who do this would be up on human rights charges and facing life in jail.

    1. Common sense 25 Mar 2013, 1:20am

      Hmm

      Actually Kaleidoscope is a charity that works tirelessly to support overseas activists at the same time as encouraging governments that can do so to make public and private statements in support of them. I personally so nothing wrong with that.

    2. None of this has anything to do with gay marriage, moron.

    3. There’s nothing as colonial as the catholic church. Ironic, as those in Africa voicing off about colonialism and claiming the gay agenda is colonialist are the most ardent followers of the catholic church.

      The catholic church, who’s first pope not from Europe is from a former Spanish colony. He has a European name and speaks a European language.

  4. These Christofascists deserve to be nailed up on crosses and left to bleed to death. Society is NOT a heterosupremacist-theocRAT-only country club.

    1. Scott Larsen 25 Mar 2013, 12:44am

      As an American Anglican who lives in Canada (and happens to be gay) I find it ironic that the right-wing group, Anglican Mainstream, may be Anglican in name but is anything but mainstream…

    2. Scott Rose…. Hmmmm. Who are you really?

    3. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 2:06pm

      I will store that comment as proof of the disturbed violence and sadism of homo-extremists,
      I know who you are. You are the nasty creep who brought a case for misconduct against Professor Mark Regnerus at Texas University and you FAILED. Thank goodness! Your aim of censoring academic research is despicable. And you talk about fascism – you don’t even know what it means, you can’t see yourself.
      Scott Rose is not your real name is it?
      Your mind is pathological and the same is true of your frieds to judge from their approval ratings of your horrible little outburst.

    4. Bruce Lewis 23 Apr 2013, 4:07pm

      Dear Mr. Rose:

      I am what you would call a Christofascist. I oppose so-called homosexual marriage and I hold to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and immoral.

      Since in your opinion “Christofascists deserve to be nailed up on crosses and left to bleed to death”, I hereby offer myself as the first example of your call for justice. I will meet you at the time and place of your choosing so that you yourself may attempt to nail me to a cross. (You provide the cross and nails.) If you acting alone can subdue me and nail me to the cross, I will allow myself to bleed to death.

      If, however, you fail…

      So the question for you is: are you willing to nail one “Christofascist” to a cross with your own two hands, or are you just another chickenshit faggot with a big mouth and no balls?

      I’m betting on the latter. I await your reply. Please contact me at the e-mail address in the link.

      Sincerely,

      Bruce Lewis

  5. Because evangelicals are -so- not acting like colonials in places like Uganda.
    And it would be most helpful if Chris Sugden would remind the world exactly where many of the world’s homophobic laws came from.

  6. Hark the cry of the throttled turkey as it awaits its demise, neck stretched out on the block.

  7. David Jordan 25 Mar 2013, 12:56am

    British Fundamentalist Anglicans and French Fundamentalist Catholics complaining about colonialism.
    Apparently the eleventh commandment is thy shalt not appreciate irony nor recognize hypocrisy.
    These bigots demand special rights and spread lies and foster hatred for LGBT people.
    Frankly rallies like this should be illegal for the same reason that Neo-Nazis are not allowed to march on the Reichstag or white supremacists on the Lincoln Memorial, these people are a hate group pure and simple.

  8. Helen Wilson 25 Mar 2013, 1:03am

    They really cant claim that while they are engaged in sexual Colonialism against LGB and T people.

    1. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 2:08pm

      There is no such thing as sexual colonialism. and there is no such thing as homophobia.
      All a pack of lies.

  9. “He went on to suggest that relationships between gay men are never monogamous, stating: “Only one creature has been known to calm men down into faithful and stable relationships since the dawn of time – a woman.””

    First, regarding monogamy. He is either totally ignorant of reality, or is deliberately ignoring it. More and more people these days are seeing the truth with their own eyes, that gay people can be, and in many cases, are monogamous.

    As for what he says about men being inherently unable to keep their penises inside their pants unless a pair of boobs is present. It’s on the same offensive level as saying gay people, due to their being gay, are more inclined to be sex offenders.
    Moreso as it is targeting both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

    1. Liam the God 25 Mar 2013, 1:56am

      My uncle was in a monogamous relationship for 44 years, right up until his death. he was very pleased to have his Civil Partnership before he died, but I’m sure he would have preferred to have MARRIED his partner! I have been married, and sometimes they go wrong, but to take that decision should be everybody’s right, regardless the gender of their intended.
      Just a thought at 2AM after a bottle of Chardonnay…..

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Mar 2013, 11:46am

      So how does Sugden explain the high divorce rate among heteros? Women calming men down? NOT! He should ask Tory MPs Sir Roger Gale and Bob Blackman and that harridan Nadine Dorries. They all know a thing about the calming effect of women while defending the sanctity of marriage between one, two, three or more women to one man.

      What pisses me off is that progressive, supportive Anglican clergy don’t counter these morons because our MPs won’t do it for obvious reasons.

  10. 3 words sum this up…

    Clutching at straws!

    1. Jock S. Trap 25 Mar 2013, 12:04pm

      I can think of one word to sum it up…. Desperation! lol

      1. A better word for you – Lies

        1. Jock S. Trap 26 Mar 2013, 1:56pm

          Sums Religion up perfectly:- clutching at straws, desperation and lies!!

  11. Albert-in-PDX 25 Mar 2013, 1:29am

    Because throughout history has been shown that men are 100% faithful to women 100% of the time. Oh wait, that has never happened. Whether you are gay or straight, there will be some who will cheat and some who wont period.

  12. This logical fallacy is called ‘slippery slope’.

    1. Liam the God 25 Mar 2013, 1:58am

      Thy don’t know what Logic is: If they did they wouldn’t be religious!
      (I’m here all week, try the Tofu!)

  13. DivusAntinous 25 Mar 2013, 2:39am

    Oh pish posh.

  14. “Same sex marriage will lead to colonialism”…
    Does that mean Australia will get lots of lovely lesbian and gay British married couples living here? I hope so… you can send your same sex married couples here and we’ll send you our bigots… fair deal… yes, yes…!!!

    Just when you thought it was safe to leave the house… and another lot of deluded, idiot… so called christians come around the corner!

  15. Under international law, “our” embassies are on “our” soil, even if placed in the middle of a foreign capital, so no impact there.

    As for the military bases, their mere existence on foreign soil is the result of our colonialist history. Having same-sex marriage ceremonies performed there will be no more a cultural invasion than having atheist soldiers, alcoholic beverages or mixed-gender dancing.

    1. oldrangerF51 3 Apr 2013, 1:45pm

      Call it for what it is, don’t hide behind your words, because your near term agendas are the same, which is to weaken traditional American culture and then mold it to your vision, but when that happens then the LGBT community will be the first target of the Islamists. As for the the history lesson aka our colonial history; it’s not ours, it’s the worlds. The soldiers are Infidels not necessarily atheists.. You are correct that embassies are the sovereign territory.of the guest nation.

  16. “it will require countries that are offended by it to have such ceremonies on their soil in our embassies and military bases.”

    In fact the British SSM bill allows foreign countries to veto same sex marriages in British embassies in their countries which really pisses off me off because it could mean my country Australia refusing Britain to do a SSM in a British embassy in Australia despite the fact that I have joint citizenship with the UK and my partner is British simply becuase Australia could be offended by same sex marriages.

    The bill actually does what Chris Sugden wants it to do not what it ought to do and allow British embassies to perform SSMs regardless of what the home country feels about it.

  17. “He predicted marriage equality opponents in the UK would be prohibited from voicing their opinions in future”

    No the bill only allows SS couples to get married. Nothing else changes which is a bit of shame. It certainly would be nice option tthough to have Chris Sugden’s daft opinions silenced.

  18. “Only one creature has been known to calm men down into faithful and stable relationships since the dawn of time – a woman.”

    What a sexist old fashioned comment. Does that mean lesbian couples are ok then, I suppose they are even more faithful that hetero couples since women aren’t interested in sex, it’s only men that are the problem and getting married to women just puts them off sex completely.

  19. Aside from all the rubbish this person is spewing… “Only one creature has been known to calm men down into faithful and stable relationships since the dawn of time – a woman” — Wow… I think this is so offensive to women. The whole perception of marriage for this person is an institution for men. Men need women… Men might now want to marry other men… What about what women want? Do they matter? If no man is around to appreciate a woman, can we say that woman really exists?

    1. To paraphrase Chris Sugden, women have the status of creatures in their marriages with magical powers to make men monogamous. This is Chris Sugden speeking right, and not some 1950s public information film parody from Harry Enfield?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
      Bet that epithet went down like a cup of cold sick.
      By rights someone should have been sleeping on the couch last night.

  20. Did he forget to mention religious colonialism which has been happening for centuries and is still taking place?

    When women were allowed the vote, did that result in “colonialism” ? You could try and say that about any social progress.

  21. what was funny was the muslim guy speaking with the Christians! who would have thought hun?? Jesus is the One that paid the price for us to be Queer and enter Heaven by the way no other !

    1. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 2:03pm

      Good for the “Muslim guy”.

  22. Sounds like this ended up in a protest against the British SSM bill and not a protest by the French against a similar bill in their own country as some people have indicated. There were a lot of British speakers speaking out against the British bill.

    It amazing that Anglican Mainstream and the other British christian websites could only muster up a small protest. That to me shows there is very little public opinion against SSM in the UK.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Mar 2013, 11:49am

      Exactly. It was a small turnout. I wonder what the actual number was? I suspect the opposition will spin hat into something ridiculous.

  23. dorset bob 25 Mar 2013, 8:17am

    can Mr sugden really be serious ? He worries that other countries may be OFFENDED by our civilised views when some of them have the death penalty for being gay. I say offend them then, and carry on offending them. Its them who need to change, not us.

  24. Hitler and Stalin stood for liberty too, just like you Mr Sugden. What a warped mind-set – this man should be sectioned.

  25. ‘citing the example of teachers who will “have to explain same-sex marriage to children” ‘ That may be a problem for some teachers but the kids would accept it unconditionally [providing there parents haven’t polluted there minds]

  26. He has no idea how desperate he sounded!

    What a cretin.

  27. Or to put it another way, these anti-gay everything protesters are just Luddites, and can’t stand the idea of change, any kind of change. They prefer people to be oppressed, vilified and denied the right to be seen to be human, never mind actually be human. After all, if everyone was equal, what can they fight against now? And that’s the real crux of their raison d’être; they need to hate something in order ameliorate their personal sense of pointlessness. And let’s remind ourselves, that in France, no religious institution is funded by the French tax payers, nor are they given tax breaks. As the French would say,vive la révolution, which was instigated when the people had had enough of the catholic church. A few hundred years later the same thing happened to the catholic church in Spain where it was said they produced nothing yet grew fat on the products of the land, whilst the catholic church suppressed the farm workers who produced everything yet starved..

  28. Liberté, égalité, fraternité, Except you can’t have the Equalite bit because thats ours and your not having it….

  29. “Only one creature has been known to calm men down into faithful and stable relationships since the dawn of time – a woman.”

    What a ridiculous insult to men and women.

  30. Funny, last time I checked, Christianity and Islam were found all over the world outside their respective homelands of Palestine and Arabia. This, of course, can have nothing to do with colonialism, let alone military conquest.

  31. PeterinSydney 25 Mar 2013, 10:19am

    Do these weirdos realize just how stupid they appear, and what nonsense they are spewing out on everyone?

  32. PeterinSydney 25 Mar 2013, 10:21am

    Do any of these weirdos think how stupid they appear mouthing all their nonsense?

  33. Helge V. Tiller 25 Mar 2013, 10:26am

    Never before has the word “bullshit” been more appropriate. You talk BULLSHIT, C. Sugden !

  34. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Mar 2013, 11:40am

    How pathetic Sugden is. He would never dare mention that the real threat to marriage is adultery committed by heterosexuals which has been going on since marriage as we know has existed, hardly anything to do with equal marriage.

    This low information moron obviously didn’t tune in to the Committee hearings regarding British Embassy marriages for gay couples in which it was stated that only countries where equal marriage is reciprocated with the host country will those marriages be permissible. Typical bloody right wing religious fear-mongering, no facts, no substance. They invent their own or rewrite them to advance their agenda which is going nowhere fast.

    Now, does anyone know how many were in Trafalgar Square yesterday? It couldn’t have been that many I would think from what I saw.

    1. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 1:55pm

      Sugden is hardly a moron – he is a brilliant academic with a long and distinguished career (unlike the morons who chant slogans for gay rights). There were about three thousand supporters at the pro-marriage rally, despite the bitterly cold weather and the fact that it was held at very s hort notice. There were 1.4 million supporters at the Paris rally and the government had to open up Avenue Fosch to make space for them. There were riots and the police had to use water cannon.
      There was also a contingent of queer hooligans who went around with pins popping the balloons waved by supporters’ children. That is a real sign of their level. Base, spiteful . malicious.
      They ranted on about queerdom and sodomy which have got nothing to do with marriage.

  35. Jock S. Trap 25 Mar 2013, 11:53am

    What a disgrace. Such bigoted homophobia and we all know if this had been against race, gender, disabled people etc this would not have been accepted nor tolerated.

    The biggest comfort, however, is, that if organisers reckon 2,000 people attended then that is a tiny, Tiny number. The way they carried on it sounded like 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands of people were to attend.

    But just 2,000 and how many were from outside the UK?

    I guess those nasty, vile, bigoted opponents should take notice and see that actually it seems most people are supportive of marriage equality or couldn’t really care less.

    So what other crap can we expect? It wasn’t big enough to hit the major headlines. It was just a bunch of facists trying to dictate their vile religious views and ways…. and man did they fail!!

  36. I remember that guy, it seemed like he was just stringing big sounding words together in an offensive order, rather than making any sort of cohesive argument; think he even managed to pin austerity on us too. He also sounded like he was having a heart attack when he said the word ‘woman’.

    And there was not 2000 people there. Probably half that, including us.

  37. Robert in S. Kensington 25 Mar 2013, 12:06pm

    So, a paltry 2000 people, mostly protestors were in Trafalgar Square yesterday. Now, let me see what that translates into, oh yes… 0.000003333333% or less of a population of roughly 60 million. It’s beyond risible considering that many of them were French catholics and a few Anglican bigoted freaks. No sign of Widdecombe, Minichiello, Sharon James, or Colin Hart, Tory MPs Tim Loughton or David Burrowes or even Archbigots Welby and Nichols. . Correct me if I’m wrong.

  38. So he says that only a women can keep a man from straying?? Try telling that to my mom and my brothers 2 ex wives. What planet does this man come from? Planet Pig?

    1. Liam the God 25 Mar 2013, 1:45pm

      How about the women that leave their husbands? (I’m not bitter, honest!)

  39. “Holding such [anti-same-sex marriage] views will be made illegal.”

    Unfortunately, stupidity will always be legal.

  40. I rather hope Sugden’s words get publicity – lots and lots of publicity, especially the ‘creature’ bit. It will render him and his cause more ridiculous more effortlessly than any other other technique could.

    1. Liam the God 25 Mar 2013, 1:48pm

      Is there any video footage of it we can spread around? ;)

  41. George Broadhead 25 Mar 2013, 3:36pm

    Why hasn’t Pink News reported that a pro-gay marriage demonstration,.albeit less numeroous, was held in the Square at the same time?

  42. George Broadhead 25 Mar 2013, 3:39pm

    Why hasn’t Pink News reported that a pro gay marriage demonstration (albeit less numberous) was held in the Square at the same time?

  43. Equal Marriage will lead to: *insert poor, lame, made up reason here*

    You’ve used that excuse already.

    Choose something else. Except tsunami, locusts, plague….

    1. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 1:50pm

      Homosexuality has already led to plague hasn’t it?
      Wake up!
      Epidemic of AIDS in South Africa.

  44. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 1:48pm

    Yes, they are the liberators and the LGBT fanatics are the oppressors. You are the bullies. We are the normal people. Forcing commonwealth countries to passlaws they don’t wat is colonialism and it is SHAMEFUL. Shame on you,
    There is plenty in your movement that is shameful but this is one of the worst.
    You are the hypocrites and nobody is denying you liberty. Trying to redefine marriage is not a right and it is not a liberty – it is just a crazy mess and you are crazy people. You believe your own stupid slogans.
    Well done Julian Morrison for at least realizing that Aid is used to put pressure on poorer countries, He’s got half a brain at any rate.
    Canon Chris Sugden is a brilliant man and a deeply caring one. He runs several charities.
    your movement is a selfish one and it stinks. I call this website Stink News because it does.

  45. Pattacake 2 Apr 2013, 2:10pm

    The group Manif pour Tous is not an “anti-equality” group. It’s a pro-marriage group.
    Distorting what marriage means has NOTHING to do with equality, and the majority of homosexuals don’t even want to change the marriage laws. It';s only a tiny minority of obsessive LGBT nutcases. There are many highly intelligent homosexuals who are active members of La Manif Pour Tous and C4M.

  46. being a lesbian must suck, even these pricks forget about them.

  47. Karen McFly 26 Apr 2013, 7:27pm

    “Only one creature has been known to calm men down into faithful and stable relationships since the dawn of time – a woman.”
    Ouch, such a comment really shows how dangerous these people’s ideology is. If you follow their reasoning through it a appears that it is apparently the women’s fault if a man in a heterosexual relationship is unfaithful. Please, somebody stop these people from taking us back into the middle ages!

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