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Bishop of Buckingham: Church of England is ‘hypocritical’ for not blessing civil unions

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  1. Garry Cassell 24 Mar 2013, 1:58am

    The church is just another political party…in fact in my experience the clergy and bishops lie more and actually do a better job at it…

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Mar 2013, 12:09pm

      I agree and with 26 Anglican clerics sitting in the Lords, it most certainly is a political party, tilting towards the Tories which is why many Tory MPs wouldn’t support an elected chamber.

  2. of course there are good church leaders who support equality for gay people. IMO webly will, its going to take more time.

    But look at card Obrien who called gays marring grotestque

    Whats grotesque is his church re gays and how its hatred of Jews for a millenia led to hitlers election and the holocaust of the Jews, gays etc

    and the pig using his control over the carreers of priests to manipulate their sex organs and keep it quite.

    My cheers to those who have hopefull sent him out the door of the church to poverty, though I bet teh church will keep him some way so they can continue to pay him for his sickness.

    One has to wonder how many kids he, as a priest raped and fondled and drove to sucide. great way to protect the life of people the church likes and drive the others to suicide

  3. My questions to the CofE is whether they are going to vote for or against equal marriage when it comes to the vote in the House of Lords. If they can’t bring themseleves to vote for it then will they at least keep their noses out of other people’s business and stay away.

    If the Bishops decide to vote NO then they can stuff themseleves, who wants a “blessing” of a “civil partnership”. We want marriage not a blessing of an inheritance tax scheme with a condition on it that we must be celibate.

    And when the hell is the report stage/third reading of the SSM bill going to take place? Have the Tories/CofE put the brakes on again!!!!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Mar 2013, 12:12pm

      john, there may be only one or two bishops who will vote for equal marriage, the majority will not, that’s a given.

      Regarding the report stage, I was under the impression it was due in early Spring, probably next month. I think it heads to the Lords in May.

  4. ColinJones 24 Mar 2013, 7:51am

    If the Anglican church wants any kind of future it’s liberal wing needs to start making a lot more noise, not just on gay issues but also on women bishops etc. And it definitely needs to get shot of these homophobic Africans for a start, sadly plenty in the CofE care more about keeping the club together so I’m not holding my breath for any improvement.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Mar 2013, 12:18pm

      Exactly right. I don’t understand why people like Dr. Alan Wilson haven’t formed a group of like-minded clergy and confronted Welby. I bet there are hundreds if not a few thousand Anglican clergy across the UK who support equal marriage but are afraid to speak out for fear of reprisals. People such as the Bishop of Birmingham need to take a stand. Criticising the church doesn’t do much good. This bishop could make a huge difference if he would only summon the courage to start a movement for change, not just for equal marriage but for female bishops. The Episcopalians have done it, there’s no reason why the CoE can’t. Maybe Bishop Wilson should establish his own branch of Episcopalians.

  5. The Bishop of Buckingham seems to dislike dissembling, doublespeak, looking the other way and pretending not to see things under one’s nose in order to appease Bible-thumping power-grabbing trouble-makers.
    Why on Earth is he an Anglican bishop??

  6. Helge V. Tiller 24 Mar 2013, 10:34am

    Christian Churches–all around the world have suppressed LGBT-people for hundreds of years, in the most terrible ways. This is a far, far worse “SIN” than loving your dear partner- living with the dream of your heart. To me it is horrible that Christian churches don’t admit these facts. Churches are the sinners–not WE ! Churches are the fascists, not people who are honest about themselves. Period !

  7. Darren Theoret 24 Mar 2013, 12:28pm

    I attend an Anglican Church in Canada and here we have a tradition of a service each year to bless the animals. Parishoners all bring their pets and the preist blesses them all.
    So it looks like we queers are less worthy of a blessing than animals are. Nice!

    1. Just as in the Episcopal Church in the USA, there are several dioceses in the Anglican Church of Canada that have approved same-sex blessings.

      1. One can find dissenters in any group. That doesn’t make for official church policy. One reason I left the Catholic church was because it was against church policy to give communion to practicing gay people even though I could find priests that would do it, I won’t be the cause of them breaking “the law”
        If one doesn’t believe the in the direction being given, they should be honest enough to get out and be a witness to what they believe is the truth. Otherwise one is complicit in the hypocrisy.

  8. WHY on earth do we keep reporting what these tosspots think? The more what they say is reported, the more credibility they gain. As the recent Census demonstrated, religion is a minority interest. So why do they attract such widespread media coverage? Ignore them. They’ll eventually go away.

    1. I wish what you say was true. Despite the church’s flagging popularity, they still wield a lot of power. As an established church their bishops vote in the Lords and influence public opinion. Religion is the main enemy of equality in the UK and I think it’s a very good idea to keep an eye on them.

    2. Unfortunately, religion is not yet a minority interest. :-(

      As I recall, the 2011 Census showed that the number stating “No Religion” had increased massively to 25%, and that Christians had declined from 74% to 59%. So that still left 75% claiming one sort of religion or another.

      However, the good news is that with this rapid rate of decline, Christians will be in a minority by about 2018/19. Given all the religious scandals of the last two years (and the probability of bigger ones yet to be revealed), it may well happen even sooner !

  9. Serious changes must be made in the CoE immediately to stop it collapsing completely. I like Dr Alan Wilson. Welby must change or be changed. The time for talking is over now we need and must have action. There is absolutley no reason why members of the LGBT Community cannot get married in church and elsewhere. The CoE is wasting time and alienating itself from mainstream thinking.Step up and be counted or step aside.

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