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US: Kentucky Governor vetoes bill protecting right to act based on religious belief following lobbies by LGBT rights groups

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  1. Al Qaida cells in Kentucky are going to be bitterly disappointed at the Governor’s decision.

    This bill is a classic example of ill conceived legislation. Seeking to deny medical care, services, employment & the “right to persecute” minorities are unchristian and indeed anti-Christ in the literal sense! Not thinking through the full & wider implications of this bill & how it gives succour to and in effect promotes acts of terror is typical of the so-called “Christian” Right: an Christological oxymoron.

    1. Amazing KY is anything but liberal, but Brearshare is a dem. If it was a repub gov the veto would have been signed post haste.

  2. I truly despair at the sheer hate directed at the LGBT community. Such an open and direct wish to persecute us is obscene. To wish to deny us the most basic of human rights is hurtful.
    I am a human being who loves and wants to be loved. I am not an abomination nor in anyway a threat to society. Yet people feel they must try to deny me the right to exist.
    What is these people problem – why are we the last acceptable hate group.
    Go hate yourselves for being so evil.

    1. de Villiers 23 Mar 2013, 1:11pm

      I agree but that is emotional. I find it not hurtful but irritating and annoying. I am not concerned about being loved by others – I am content enough with being treated equally and fairly.

    2. There’s a lot of hatred going around, sadly. Being LGBT is certainly not the last acceptable hate group – try being disabled or a sex worker, and there is some horrendous hatred around the world directed at people because of their ethnicity, skin colour or religion.

    3. ALL this is motivated by ‘self-hate’. I believe EVEREY human being has, at some point, had same-sex thoughts. These people are SO brainwashed and damaged by religious conditioning that they turn their self-doubts and hatreds outwards. People who are secure in their sexuality are NEVER homophobic. And, what these people fear most about homosexuality is their own ‘disturbing’ inner-thoughts about it. What better way to convincve yourself (and others) you are not gay and have never had gay thoughts is to direct your self-hatred against others. That’s why these nutters say, with such conviction, that being gay is a ‘choice’ … because they themselves have struggled with that ‘choice’.

      1. Its called Reaction formation see Wikipedia for a better explanation

    4. (conservative) religion poisons everythng

      Christopher Hitichens = a brit

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Mar 2013, 11:40am

    If any of you tuned in to the equal marriage committee hearings, you would have heard similar language used by religious Tory bigots Loughton and Burrowes who were demanding amendments to give special exemptions and protections for people with religious beliefs that are in direct conflict with equal marriage. Thankfully, they didn’t get their way and were shot down over and over. I commend Governor Beshear for doing the right thing. Religion should never be allowed to trample on civil rights or take precedence, ever.

  4. Some surprising things here !

    • Disappointing that such a nasty bill was proposed by a Democrat rather than a Republican.

    • Brilliant that the Governor did the right thing by vetoing it.

    • Even more brilliant, that the Governor had the courage to challenge such a large redneck majority, and that he felt able to do this down in the Deep South.

    1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 23 Mar 2013, 12:06pm

      I am shocked too, that bill was sponsored by an Democrat. Is Governor an Democrat or Republican ?

    2. While Kentucky a southern state is not Deep South. It is mid-West.

    3. It would have been nice if the Governor could have said he was vetoing it on principle, instead of on ‘unintended consequences’ i’e. an avalanche of lawsuits from the likes of us.

      More pragmatist than saint, I’m afraid

      1. barriejohn 23 Mar 2013, 6:29pm

        Steve Beshear is a Democrat. To be fair, he did say that, amongst other things, the bill would threaten individuals’ civil rights.

        1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 23 Mar 2013, 6:43pm

          Honestly, for me Kentucky is associated at first with only one thing: here is beginning novel “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”. And, yes, its home state of first openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.

    4. Stll. lots of redneck dems in the deep south.

      Really one needs to know there are really two democratic parities – the good dems, and the dixiecrats who were the big lovers of slavery and segregation.

      Much of this changed after Dem president Johnson passed the civil rights bill in 1965. But there always are recalcitrants who live in the past.

      BTW the final nail in the coffin of the south becoming big time majority republican extreme conservative was NIXONS southern strategy to win by feeding racial hatred into the election.

      The only president ever to get forced out of office got what he deserved.

  5. Attack of the Theocrats 23 Mar 2013, 12:08pm

    A good read is a short book called “Attack of the Theocrats”.

  6. How do you define a “religious belief” in law anyway? And how would one prove the sincerity of it?

    1. barriejohn 23 Mar 2013, 7:52pm

      Precisely. What is “a religion”, and who is to decide what the precise requirements of that belief system are? Members of most religions are arguing constantly about what they are supposed to believe, especially where gay rights are concerned, and, as you say, a homophobe could join Westboro Baptists knowing that that would give him carte blanche to hate on the gays because it’s his “sincerely held belief”!

  7. It’s bizarre how many people in a country with a clear constitutional separation of Church and State (can we have it in the UK one day, please?) want to allow licensed law-breaking to God-botherers. Human sacrifice, anyone? Lots of Aztecs ‘sincerely’ believe it to be essential to keep the sun in the sky, or once did.

    1. It’s all this ‘freedom of thought’ and ‘freedom of expression’ stuff. They take their Constitutional Rights VERY seriously. Just look at the Gun Lobby! The problem is … one person’s right to ‘believe’ can mean the oppression of another’s human rights. The bible was used for YEARS to condone slavery. Hitler used it to persecute the Jews because ‘they killed Jesus’. Most organised religion is simply a man-made device to control people and make money. The tribal witch doctor FULLY understood that if you appear to have ‘special powers’, you can have a better life than your fellow tribesfolk. It’s time we grew up, people. Believe what the HELL you want – but don’t try to force your ‘beliefs’ on me or use your ancient novel to curtail my freedoms.

  8. ColinJones 23 Mar 2013, 3:28pm

    Religion shouldn’t have any special rights at all, it’s just something you insist is true with no facts at all to back it up. No scientist could get away with that so why should religion? As for this law being proposed by a Democrat, there are plenty of so called “blue dog Democrats” who are Republicans in all but name.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Mar 2013, 4:04pm

      Similarly, there are blue-dog Labour MPs who voted against equal marriage.

      1. ColinJones 23 Mar 2013, 6:11pm

        That’s true in a way ,but my local Labour MP voted against SSM and he’s certainly not a Tory ,more like Old Labour.His predecessor in the 90’s (also Labour) voted against equalising the age of consent , they are both a hangover from the days when Labour was just as homophobic as the Tories.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Mar 2013, 7:01pm

          Thankfully, Colin, they’re on the decline although it can’t be said so much of the Tories with slightly more than half voting against SSM and not all of them that old. Let’s hope some of them are voted out in 2015, hopefully those in safe constituencies.

          1. Robert, Labour started moving away from homophobia first by legalising homosexuality in the 60’s and now the Tories are following but they are a much more bigoted lot and it’ll be a long while yet before they change. The success of UKIP in hoovering up their votes shows they are not interested in modernity and many Tory voters just dream of returning to the glory days of Thatcher.

  9. So, if it is my ‘sincerely held religious belief’ that witches should be burned at the stake … or children who are verbally abusive to their parents should be put to death .. will I be protected from prosecution by this move if I see fit to use the boible to justify my crimes? Once again, ‘religion’ commands totally irrational deference. All common sense goes out the window where ‘god’ is concerned. It is pathetic and the US should grow up and stop pandering to this nonsense.

  10. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Mar 2013, 4:31pm

    Totally unrelated to this, but would PN please explain why there is a disabled post under the heading: “Feature: Now is the perfect time to Extend A Room into your garden?” Makes NO sense.

    1. advertisment revenue?

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Mar 2013, 7:03pm

        Probably right, John, I never thought of that. Annoying though.

  11. Liam the God 23 Mar 2013, 5:45pm

    “Ahh had tew kill him because he’m wuz wearing a Polyester and Cotton mix shirt, as sanctioned in the book of Leviticus!”
    VERY dodgy! And this was suggested by a DEMOCRAT? *shakes head, sadly*

  12. Wish we could veto it here.

  13. The Veto can be overridden by a simple majority in both houses.

    The bill has thus only been delayed a few weeks.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. This sucks badly.

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