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Archbishop of Canterbury to discuss gay rights with Peter Tatchell

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  1. I am sure that would be a very interesting meeting.

    I think that it would also be good for it to recorded for TV, I for one would be interested in watching it!

  2. All credit to PT for his measured letter to the archbishop and to the latter for taking it in like vein. I would love to be an observer of that conversation, indeed it should be recorded for posterity.

  3. patrick mccann 21 Mar 2013, 11:44am

    Well done, Peter. Best of luck with the meeting.

  4. I really resent this meeting and the media circus that is already surrounding it. Peter Tatchell – who promotes the legalisation of paedophilia – does not represent LGBTs. Welby really is pulling a very clever stunt here.

    1. patrick mccann 21 Mar 2013, 3:17pm

      Peter does no such thing. Not sure where you’re getting your information from, but might be worth checking. Peter’s a good guy who does more for LGBT rights in an afternoon than most of us do in a lifetime.

    2. What kind of twisted comment is that? How on earth does he promote the legalisation of paedophilia?

      1. I am with Tom on this

  5. Garry Cassell 21 Mar 2013, 11:45am

    A bigot never changes his spots…Archbishop thinks new powers in the church makes his words seem more important..but they remain EMPTY words..only changed ACTION send the correct message..

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 11:49am

    Though well intended, I don’t think dialogue with Welby is going to produce anything positive. That he says he supports CPs is hogwash. If that were the case, he would allow religious blessings for those who want them but would also lift the rule on CPd clergy to remain celibate, an absurdly offensive impossible imposition to enforce, sub-human in fact to even require it. That to me is having truck with homophobia so it proves the man is disingenous in everything he says relating to LGBT people. No thanks, Welby, you have nothing to offer.

    1. We have to engage our opponents in rational debate surely Robert? I think this is an important opportunity for Peter and the Archbishop to meet and discuss the way forward. Most people now accept Civil Partnerships and the same will happen for Same Sex Marriage marriage.

      1. bobbleobble 21 Mar 2013, 12:04pm

        To what end? Welby isn’t going to change his mind on this matter so long as he’s trying to keep the worldwide Anglican community together and Tatchell isn’t empowered to speak on behalf of gays everywhere. It’s a pointless meeting. The Archbish’s bottom line is that same-sex marriage cannot happen and he will vote in that way when the legislation comes before the Lords. Where is the way forward?

        1. Jim Edwards 22 Mar 2013, 5:50pm

          ‘Mr Tatchell – who is synonymous with Britain’s LGBT rights movement.’

          *vows to stop reading this brown-nosing, sycophantic rag*

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 12:54pm

        Rocky, I’m all for rational debate but in reality, a cult that is strongly opposed to non-celibate CPd clergy and virulently against equal civil marriage, how on earth can rational debate take place? Welby’s primary concern is cohesion of the Anglican cult especially on the African continent where homophobia is rampant, something that his predecessors have done absolutely NOTHING about. Archbigot Sentamu of York last year said the CoE has been responsible for some of the homophobia throughout the ages yet there has not been one official apology forthcoming from Canterbury. How on earth can one have any reasoned debate with these people? If he were to concede that expecting CPd clergy to remain celibate should no longer be an issue or an imposition, then perhaps rationale and reason can dominate the debate, but I’m afraid such a change isn’t feasible in this regard. They are intransigent and not prone to much change just like it’s big brother, the RC cult.

    2. bobbleobble 21 Mar 2013, 12:02pm

      Exactly, an unstoppable force meets and immovable object. Nothing interesting or good will come out of this meeting except Welby will get to look magnanimous when in fact he’s nothing of the kind. Negotiation is impossible with people whose bottom line is ‘God says so.’ They don’t have to come up with decent arguments to support their views. But Tatchell can’t refuse to meet Welby or he looks like either a coward or intransigent.

      Plus nobody empowered Tatchell to speak for us anyway. We don’t have a head gay so it’s not like Welby and Tatchell can actually come to an agreement on anything anyway.

      I’m also sick of those mealy mouthed words of people like the Bish. They have no truck with prejudice against gay people but they then get to define prejudice their own way which naturally means they meet their (low) standard every time.

      1. Dont undersestimate God or His Love for “others ” Gays , Lesbians and Transfolk

        1. bobbleobble 21 Mar 2013, 12:59pm

          I’m not talking about God but those who claim to be doing his work here on Earth. Having said that I don’t actually believe in God.

  7. …..this is a very delicate matter and I am pleased to learn that the new archbishop of Canterbury will go ahead and have a meeting with Mr. Tatchell. However, I feel ever so strongly that the conversation surrounding Gay issues will be treated with gravitas and decent attitude. If this new bishop shuns all subjects concerning Gay people AGAIN like others before, sadly we have the same sick and stupid World to deal with.

  8. What a farce.

    Welby writes in his email that he want’s to meet ‘away from the mediation of the media,’ yet he’s gone running to the Daily Mail with the story.

    His patrionising view of gay couples where he says: ‘a number of gay couples have relationships of ‘stunning quality’.

    What a bigot.
    What an idot.
    What a nasty bit of work.

    Good luck to Peter for the meeting, I think if anyone is well enough placed to meet this excuse of a man, it’s Peter.

  9. Well done Peter go and bash back!

  10. Well, contrary to some of the [arch]bish-bashing here, I say good for Welby for responding and proposing a meeting. It may be a small step but I think it’s an important one and it shows, at the very least, a willingness to enter into a dialogue.

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 1:12pm

    Suck on this one, Welby and take back your vile comments regarding gay parents and adoption.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 1:35pm

    Peter Tatchell should take this and how Welby what marriage means to gay couples.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 1:36pm

      …and show Welby…

    2. Thank you for sharing! A very special day in the lives of the couple and their children.

  13. The only person to benefit from this meeting will be Oilwellsby; you can bet he will use every nefarious means to ensure he appears to be the good guy. The man is a bigot and must uphold his bigot’s credentials so not to alienate the mad hate preachers in Africa.

    Trying to have a logical debate with the religious is nigh on impossible because they do not understand reason and logic; if they did they wouldn’t believe the nonsense they do.

  14. Here is an interview with Carol Off, CBC Canada talking to Peter Thatchell.

    It was nice to hear that the new Archbishop of Canterbury was responsive to Peter Thatchell, and is the first Archbishop willing to engage in dialogue… progress at last!

    For those interested the interview starts at 12:15

    It was so good to hear that the CBC showed the interest which many complain the BBC lacks

    1. Sorry the link is not very accurate, once on the link click on the 21st March episode which refers to the Archbishop on same sex marriage where the interview can be found at 12:15

  15. I did smile at the Archbishops “afterthought” which he clarified in brackets!

    I am copying in a colleague, who will be in touch to fix a date…(for a meeting)

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