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  1. His “admiration” is meaningless PR bullshit when it comes with a continued support for homophobia

    ““At the same time, at the heart of our understanding of what it is to be human, is the essential dignity of the human being. And so we have to be very clear about homophobia.””

    yes, not supporting our full rights and equality is homophobic. We’re very clear about that

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 3:28pm

      Totally agree, Sparky. If anything, he should be grovelling before us asking for forgiveness for the harm his cult has caused LGBT people for centuries and continues to harm I might add. If he were truly sincere, he would have reached out voluntarily and asked for a meeting, not the other way around. I smell a rat. What exactly does he expect to reap from this meeting with PT I wonder? What is he putting on the table? I know………..NOTHING!

  2. Personally, I don’t give a flying f**k WHAT he thinks. But I suspect he is a realist and knows the game is up for the church. Move with the times – or die. The problem for him and his money-making business? If he, as the leader, accepts homosexuality, the emerging homophobic nations of Africa will withdraw from his outfit and take their big bucks elsewhere. THAT’S what’s it’s REALLY all about – money.

  3. Sorry, matey, but the longer you are on the wrong side of history, the emptier your churches will get.

  4. So he acknowledges that same-sex couples can have wonderful and loving relationships, just as opposite-sex couples can, and yet still opposes it because some 2000 year old book tells him too?

    Yeah… I think that tells us all we need to know about this man!

  5. MACDONALDBANK 21 Mar 2013, 2:27pm

    The Bible & Torah should be banned!

    Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible — perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

    1. Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
    2. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
    3. Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

    Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
    Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
    Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

    Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays.

    1. The ‘holy books’ should not be banned.

      But they deserve no respect and should be placed in the fiction section of al bookshops.

  6. MACDONALD BANK 21 Mar 2013, 2:28pm

    Being left-handed – being black or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return … it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls — all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

    It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy.

    I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?

    It’s now time to shut down the synagogues and churches with the torah & bibles with Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 13:12-16. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives — is shameful.

  7. Here we go. So the couple are ok it’s the single one you want to watch for. I knew this would happen

    1. Yes but the church of England is a useless organisation and it’s almost dead so who cares what it thinks.

      The moment we have separation of church and state the church of England will be officially dead, as it already has only a tiny handful of followers left.

  8. The Bible is also clear that adulterers should be stoned to death. So why follow it in one case and not another? The truth is the dishonest old archbishop is using the Bible as an excuse for his own prejudices, just as Henry VIII did before him, when trying to find an excuse for divorcing his wife. If he doesn’t like gay marriage, he should have the honesty to attribute it to the peculiarities of his own psychology, and not try to blame it on a few sentences in a collection of ancient Jewish literature.

  9. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 2:53pm

    Not impressed one bit. He smiles telling us how stunning some of our relationships are and an example to hetero married couples while stabbing us in the back by opposing equal civil marriage. F_cked up in my view. He’s not once condemned the hateful vitriole coming from many of his hierarchy, especially in Africa. Their homophobia and resistance to our unions are more important to him than our dignity and equal marriage rights. If he really supports us, strike down the celibacy nonsense regarding CPd clergy for starters. At least that would be one credible baby-step forward. Of course, he won’t. No thanks, Welby, try again.

    1. He’s a bigoted pig who regards church unity as more important than human rights.

      He’s an utterly appalling human being.

  10. This feels like an attempt to try to start steering his crew towards acceptance. He has to drag the Africans with him. So whilst in the UK his views are of no consequence, they could be the difference between life and death for our African brothers and sisters.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 3:22pm

      The day he reads the African hierarchy the riot act, I might give him some credence, but he wouldn’t do it would he? The day he apologises for the immense harm his cult continues to inflict on gay people, then perhaps I’ll support dialogue with him. Until then, I remain diametrically opposed to any dealings with him. Nothing is going to come of this meeting with PT, absolutely nothing.

      1. Oh don’t be so sure.

        I am sure Peter Tatchell will be most eloquent in his condemnation of Mr Welby’s bigotry.

        It’s a clever move by Tatchell to give the old bigot enough rope to hang himself.

  11. He is perfectly entitled to believe that the moon is made of cheese if he wishes.

    Given that most marriages now take place in a non religious setting and that no one believes that the church will be compelled to be involved in SSM he needn’t feel “challenged” by gay couples. Just leave people alone, is that too much to ask?

    Jewish people don’t advocate the banning of pork consumption for *everyone* that just observe their customs amongst their own community without trying to impose on everyone.

  12. ..what really seems odd is how wrong and out of date the Bible is. Has anyone in the Church got a shred of common sense? Well in fact, NO because the human race has hardly been on this planet for long–so why are there so many clergymen saying marriage is only between a man and woman…poppycock! CHANGE is nothing more than what we need and it can be done..We have not been doing anything for that long when you consider the life of the Planet.

  13. And I thought the politicians in the U.S. were best at slinging B.S. to the public. I guess I was wrong.

  14. Sounds like the office, if not the man, has views that are evolving. It’ll take time but they’re coming around.

    1. Yes but the sinister element is that Mr Welby is the head of an organisation that is England’s state religion.

      In 2013?

      I mean really?

  15. This is what happens when you fill your head with supernatural bullshit. You end up believing that it’s right to interfere in other people’s lives. What he thinks is of no consequence and is utterly meaningless.

  16. He is a nutter, who could not identify reality if is was topping him.

  17. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 4:32pm

    It’s “propagation”, dumb arse religious bigot! You need to learn English grammar for starters.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 5:35pm

      You’re that stupid to assume by using a different alias you are not one and the same as ‘godless deviants’ and you’ve proved yourself to be an idiot by attempting to deliberately insert grammatical errors to bait me. Sorry, you didn’t succeed. Appropriate surname too, further proof just how stupid you are.

  18. Poor little fellow, you might not have noticed that, in this increasingly overcrowded planet, unlimited propagation of the species is hardly a benefit to society. Or has that not occurred to you?

    1. If 1% of heterosexual people would ensure the survival of the human race why are you worried?

      Do you think there were no gay people around before equal marriage was discussed? As far as benefiting society is concerned, how do left handed people or ginger haired people benefit society? Should they be denied equal rights because they aren’t statistically normal?

      1. How does heterosexuality benefit the planet.

        7,000,000,000 people and counting

        Global warming.

        The human species is a parasite on the planet.

        At least the gays are not stretching the planet to breaking point.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 5:29pm

      We benefit society in many ways. We are your lawyer, doctor, priest (although I don’t know how priests benefit anything), actor, actress, playwright, author, surgeon, police officer, tinker, tailor, soldier, spy (MI5/6), sailor, airforce men and women (sometimes giving our lives so that religious bigots like you can remain free to spew your unchristian venom); bus driver, brick layer, plumber, politician, baker, chef, teacher, scientist, the list is endless.

      What we do in the privacy of our bedrooms is none of your business. Concentrate on the so called ‘deviant’ behaviour of your hetero adulterers, the marriage wreckers, some of them religious MPs, philanderers, and those who solicit the services of hetero female prostitutes. What benefit do they help society?

      I strongly advise you to seek psychiatric help to assist you with your coming out process. The closet can be a very dark and lonely place. Any well adjusted heterosexual wouldn’t even troll gay sites such as PN.

      1. Homosexuals benefit society because we generally don’t breed to the same destructive level as heterosexuals do.

        7,000,000,000 people and counting.

        The world is becoming overpopulated.

        Abortions for everyone is my answer

      2. Robert, that’s very generous of you but do we really want Keith to come out? Granted, he might be less hysterical, which would probably be a benefit to society at large, but for myself (call me selfish) I’m not sure I want the deranged specimen on my side of the fence.

    3. What do homosexuals contribute to society? That’s as dumb as asking what do people with dark hair contribute to society? Unless of course you are completely unaware of the diversity of human nature, and believe everyone should live like automata. Before you launch into the usual ah, but what about paedophilia and bestiality? rant, remember we are talking about consenting adults

      1. Heterosexuals and their incessant breeding is leading the world to breaking point.

        7,000,000,000 people and counting.

        Resources are getting tighter, climate change is a reality.

        Have 1 abortion, get 1 free , for straight people, is my solution

    4. How does your existence benefit society, O person [?] with the ever-changing names (aka Keith the Coprophile)? can you answer that?

      No, didn’t think so.

  19. EqualityFinesse 21 Mar 2013, 6:57pm

    Welby has performed more mental cortortions concerning gay people than Harry Houdini did with his body…

    … Without the talent!

  20. i am heartened by the archbishop’s approach and identify with it. I am disappointed but not surprised by the above “hostile” comments. When will you guys get it that we are not against you or wish to demean or undermine you in any way? We are beholden to follow God and His Word before any other considerations, however unpalatable it might be to some.

    1. Why should your beliefs be unpalatable? What matters is that you keep trying to impose your beliefs on others;-).

      What you believe is entirely up to you and of no concern to anyone else. But, please keep it amongst yourselves. Is that unreasonable?

    2. Dave North 21 Mar 2013, 8:46pm

      No. You are beholden to your belief in whichever of the thousands of deities that exist at this time in human experience.

      The arrogance that you display that your specific belief should be FORCED on those who neither want or require your belief system is pathetic.


      STOP enforcing it on others who do not share your childish nonsense.

    3. we are against you though.

      The church of England has no place being the official state religion of this country.

      The 26 bishops sitting unelected in the House of Lords should be kicked out.

      And our head of state should not also be head of the church of England.,

      Until there is separation of church and state in Britain the church of England needs to be regarded as a political party.

      PS Do you condemn ‘god’ for the genocide it committed against the 1st born child of all the Egyptians?

      Or do you accept that the bible is a meaningless work of fiction?

    4. JohnB, you seem unaware that the minute you write things like “We are beholden … before any other considerations … however unpalatable” you are, in fact, seeking to demean or undermine those who evidently don’t believe the same assortment of antique writings you do.

      Many if not most of us do not seek instruction in your god’s values and dicta, nor do we accept them, nor are we obliged to. Many if not most of us find it objectionable that 26 people (men) who feel beholden to put the purported words of god before all other considerations sit in the House of Lords and can influence the laws of this country,

  21. I heard this bloke on the radio this morning, he’s as camp as a row of tents.
    Anothe bigot in denial.

    1. He’s not in denial about his bigotry.

      He is openly against marriage equality.

      In fact he is openly against gay people.

      He just dresses his bigotry up in pleasant sounding PR.

      Luckily his church is almost dead.

      There needs to be a separation of church and state immediately.

    2. Please do not be so shallow as to judge a person’s sexuality from your opinion of his speaking voice. It might also strike you as excessive to father 5 children purely out of ‘denial.’

  22. By deviants you mean religious people I presume.

    Anyone who believes that a book is the ‘word of god’ is clearly a screw loose.

    The bible is a work of fiction. And the ‘god’ character is a genocidal asshole – he cold-bloodedly murdered the 1st born child of all the Egyptians.

    Murderous prick.

    1. SteveC, Rehan, Ray123 and Robert in S. Kensington…

      Please stop feeding those, useless, stupid and ignorant trolls…!

      They seem to be like stray cats, once you feed them, they’ll never go away…!

      But on the other hand, it can be fun… showing up these feeble minded cretins, who are too stupid to think for themselves and who must troll sites like this one to fill that empty void, that they call their life!

  23. Well if it was’t for Alan Turing, you most likely wouldn’t be typing on your computer, on the internet and on a gay news website. He was a gay man, and he also helped out enormously in World War II. There’s so much more from different people but I don’t want to waste all my time explaining quantum physics to a cockroach. So I would suggest you give away your “homosexual invention” and stay off the internet if you truly believe in what you say, or are you just foolish?

  24. George Broadhead 22 Mar 2013, 8:56am

    I and my partner have just celebrated our 48th anniversary, so are we a “stunning gay couple” in the eyes of Welby? Perhaps not as we are staunch atheists.

    1. Congratulations George. May you enjoy many more. We’re about to reach your half way stage and walk a path unencumbered by religious notions.

  25. Are we somehow supposed to be grateful to this man for his mealy-mouthed tolerance? Of course our relationships are wonderful. They endure and flourish despite him and his like not because of them. He might pause to wonder why and ask himself whether his fecund marriage would have withstood the tests that we face from over loud bigoted religionists. Who will rid us of these meddlesome priests?

  26. Godless deviants.

    Oh there’s a whole range of benefits of that homosexuality can bring to society, I’d say the first one to start with is Peace. I don’t see homosexual men out there willing to wage war on others, but I did see some stunning examples of Christians – George W Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair. And of course, let’s not forget Pope Emeritus, Ratzinger – head of the Christian Catholic Church, a previous proud member of the Hitler Natzi Youth Party.

    Then you’ve got Maggie Thatcher, another Christian…

    I could go on if you wish, but it’s hard to find a hetrosexual Christian leader whose actually brought any real peace to our world.

    Forgive us, please while we indulge ourselves in what you call our deviancy, isn’t there a war you have to start somewhere or be part of? Or how about a quick stoning or hanging to while away the day while your waiting for Jesus, the single man who had no wife and no heterosexual attributes to come down and allow himself to be crucified

  27. marshlander 25 Mar 2013, 11:42am

    Off-topic, but … I agree with those who would like to see church and state divorced. The churches have played a blinder over the years by inveigling themselves into, for example, the education system. According to Wiki, “about one third of the 20,000 state funded schools in England are faith schools. Some of these have converted to Academy status, which means they can set pay and conditions for staff, and no longer have to follow the national curriculum.”

    Pope Pius IX came to an arrangement with Mussolini in 1929 that led to the Vatican becoming an independent state from where it has installed its agents out in the world, including the United Nations where it has consistently opposed every proposed law change aimed at improving human rights.

    By all means lets clear the superstition and prejudice of the meddlesome priests out of the system, but it is going to be a long unravelling process.

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