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John Partridge: I will never return to Eastenders and I’m happy enough with my civil partnership

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 20 Mar 2013, 6:52pm

    Sorry to inform you, John, but until it’s reflected in law, your CP is NOT a marriage just because you and others believe they are. Believe what you want, but it’s a delusion. Nowhere in the 1973 Marriage Causes Act does it say otherwise.

    1. Depressing, isn’t it Robert. If all he wanted to do was to make a commitment, he could have done that without a CP. The whole point of these things is that they are society’s recognition of a relationship. Whatever he thinks he’s got, everyone else knows it’s not a marriage.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 12:03pm

        Yes, indeed, Wingby, totally concur with that. Some CPd couples have been lulled into a false sense of equality. They’ve bought into it hook, line and sinker. In the end, the more they say they’re ‘married’, the more they believe it. It reminds me of Ben Bradshaw’s infamous statement during the consultation about his own CP, upset that his colleagues in Parliament didn’t regard his union as a marriage even though family and friends did. Thankfully, he had an epiphany and voted yes to equal marriage having learned of the inequalities a CPd couple face outside of the UK.

  2. And I’ll bet he’ll be sending his cp papers to be changed to a marriage certificate like all the rest who say it doesn’t matter once they can.
    You only settle for second best when you don’t think you’re worthy. I sure as hell think I’m as good as any heterosexual and refuse to be second class.

    1. You’re damned right about that!

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 12:04pm

      Well said, allancsn. I bet Ben Bradshaw will be doing the same too!

  3. Pink News, I really wish you’d get out of this naff, red-top-like habit of paraphrasing a person’s comments as a headline. Either quote what they say directly, with quotation marks, or think up a better headline.

    1. It really is shocking how deliberately misleading Pink News headlines are.

      Last week they ran a headline which said that Bill O’Reilly said there was a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, but when you read the article there was absolutely nothing to show that he had done that.

      Unless Pink News starts doing some proper editing then sooner or later they will fall foul of libel laws.

  4. Charliej95 20 Mar 2013, 7:50pm

    When i find a nice guy i want to commit to him and for him to ask me to Marry Him NOT civil union him !

  5. de Villiers 20 Mar 2013, 9:00pm

    Everyone who says that CPs are second rate speak nonsense.

    In France, nearly half of all straight couples who wish to formalise their relationship opt for a PACS rather than a marriage.

    Critising those who prefer the more modern CP or PACS to the baggage laden marriage is intolerant.

    1. When there is no alternative then it’s not equal.
      If LGBT’s have a choice then they have every right to choose CPs or Marriage.
      But as I stands now we are not treated fairly.
      What if straights, who can’t have kids, could only choose a CP or PACS betya they’d make a huge fuss.
      I want to be Married not Civil Partnered – I don’t have any choice – so it isn’t fair is it.

    2. As you well know, de Villiers, PACs are not the same as our CPs. They are a reduced set of rights – a kind of half commitment, or marriage-lite. That’s why they’re popular in France. CPs in the UK have, more or less the same rights as marriage, but to appease the bigots have been given another name.

      Equating PACs to CPs is disingenuous.

      1. de Villiers 21 Mar 2013, 8:39am

        Wingby – you are speaking nonsense. A “half-commitment” or “marriage-lite”. Where do you come from? Certainly not France to say something so obviously wrong.

        The main differences now are the divorce rules – which are more humane and equal than marriage. PACS couples are taxed as married couples and enjoy the same benefits.

        The only ‘half’ in a PACS is the half number of heterosexual couples who opt for a PACS rather than a marriage. Or just under half – it is 43%. And why is that – because they think they are entering into a half-commitment? Straight couples who love each other do not really love each other and so have a half-commitment PACS? Just to say it is to see the stupidity of the statement.

        It is because they consider a PACS to be better than a marriage. Less baggage, less history, less crusty, less antiquated – instead it is a more modern, equal and liberal form of partnership. A better one for many – particularly on the left.

        I’m not disingenuous. You who are uninformed.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 12:16pm

          If as you claim PACs are better than marriage, then why isn’t the rest of the world demanding them? Obviously, 43% of your people don’t see the larger picture especially if some of them have to leave the country and live elsewhere as a result of employment transfers. They are not universal. There are already 11 countries with equal marriage and the trend seems to be progressing at a rapid rate. How many are there with PACs or CPs?

        2. de Villiers 22 Mar 2013, 6:55am

          Because they do not know about them, perhaps. Like you and your ignorant parroters on this board who sound no different from the delusional African pastors – parroting something untrue and closing their ears to reason.

          It is not the French who fail to see the larger picture but you and your limited knowledge and confused thinking, mixing unconnected issues such as French people leaving to live in London because the French economy is falling apart. They are not coming here for the marriage laws.

          And its not 43% of “your people”. It’s 43% of people choosing to enter into a PACS or marriage combined. The fact that France has modern PACS for all and soon will allow both equal marriage for all – giving people the choice that you so desperately crave, whilst England does not, is obviously too much for your intellect to bear.

    3. It was quite disappointing to see France, of all countries, organise such a large demonstration against marriage equality. So much for Liberté, égalité, fraternité

      1. de Villiers 21 Mar 2013, 8:19am

        France, the country France, organised no demonstration.

        And to say that there is no liberty, equality or fraternity in France because of that – when the socialist government is pushing through the laws is stupid and tunnel-focussed.

    4. If you have a choice between a CP or a marriage (like in the Netherlands) then a CP is not 2nd class.

      If you are told ‘because you are gay you are ONLY allowed have a CP’ (like in France or Britain) then it absolutely is 2nd class.

      1. de VIlliers 21 Mar 2013, 8:24am

        No, Steve C. That is bad logic. It is only second class when it is intrinsically worse.

        If you were told you could have only a first-class aeroplane seat but your friend was told he could choose either a first-class seat or an economy seat, it would be stupid to say that your first-class seat was ‘absolutely second class’ because of the absence of choice.

        In France, for many straight-couples, a PACS is a better choice than a marriage – they see a PACS as first class and a marriage as second class. So by your logic, something that could be first class for one person must, by reason of lack of choice, be second class for another.

        If you consider that a CP is intrinsically lower than a marriage because of social status then that might support your position. But the lack of choice is not the determining factor.

    5. Robert in S. Kensington 21 Mar 2013, 12:10pm

      Really? PACs’ don’t even confer over half the rights of a CP and I’m not defending CPs. There is no full reciprocity of rights among any of the varying degrees of non-marital legal unions in the EU or elsewhere where equal marriage is legal. If they’re that great, why aren’t they the universal norm? There isn’t even a universal standard or demand for CPs or PACS and have you ever asked yourself why that is the case? Most of us know, but it seems you don’t. The fact of the matter is they aren’t and never will be equal to marriage. Stop burying your head in the sand and face facts, moreover, face reality.

      1. de Villiers 22 Mar 2013, 6:59am

        You are really speaking nonsense. Worse than that, really.

        First, gay marriages will not have default reciprocity. It will be for each country to accord such benefits in their own laws. Second, PACS are a universal norm in France. Third, they may not be the norm in other countries because they don’t know about them or are uninformed – like you.

        Tell me how PACS do not offer “half” the rights of a CP to a French couple living in France. Explain it here. I’m sure you can find the French laws to quote them and to show how the rights are different. I’m happy to wait.

  6. Well he BELIEVES he’s married, just like some BELIEVE there is a magic sky daddy…so it must be true!

  7. No more EastEnders, dahhhhling?

    Is that a promise?

    M’wah, m’wah!!

  8. There is nothing in what he said that can be criticized.
    1. He supports marriage equality.
    2. He’s not telling anyboyd else what to do.
    3. He’s happy with his present domestic arrangement.
    4. He’s not going back to EE.

    Except for point 4, this is a non-story that can be summarized as “Gay actor supports marriage equality.” DUH.

    1. Oh but that would mean that Pink News couldn’t use a lurid, Daily Mail style sensationalistic and misleading headline

  9. When the Civil Partnership legislation was introduced it seemed like a real breakthrough at the time. Previously many of us wouldn’t have imagined of such a possibility and even more so in respect of marriage equality. For those of us who entered into a civil partnership at that time our commitment to each other was just as strong as it would have been had it been called marriage. It felt like marriage in all but name.

    I can understand therefore, why there are civil partners who want their union to be continued to be treated as special as it was to them on the day of their ceremony. For them it would be disrespectful to criticise their civil partnership for not being marriage just because marriage equality is now likely to happen.

    Continued below >

    1. There are others, like me, who would jump at the chance of having our civil partnerships redefined to marriage, because we are aware how others do treat our ‘marriages’ as not being ‘real’ marriages. We just want to be treated equally.

      Those of us in Northern Ireland will not have that opportunity because the NI Assembly has voted to reject marriage equality. With very little chance of equality in NI we therefore have to be content with our Civil Partnerships. Whilst we are angry that we will not be treated equally with gay people in the rest of the UK, we would also be angry if our Civil Partnerships are treated as second-rate by the rest of the UK LGBT community once marriage equality becomes a reality in England, Scotland and Wales.

      1. That There Other David 20 Mar 2013, 11:25pm

        Northern Ireland will be forced into having marriage equality, just like it was forced into having Civil Partnerships. The South will get it just as the rest of the UK will, then you’ll be able to tie the knot pretty much automatically and raise legal claims against the Assembly upon returning home. They’ll cave, whilst having a very loud whinge about it. That’s what they always do.

        1. I hope so, but a DUP minister has already been told by judges that several of his policies are unlawful. The DUP minister insists that he will not change his stance and keeps appealing, therefore stalling any reform. Also, marriage equality has to receive a majority vote from both unionist and nationalist sides of the Assembly. The unionist side has few supporters of equality so a vote in support of equality is never likely to happen. A legal case will have to be taken to the ECHR, however the DUP will probably try to ignore a judgement compelling them to reform the law. I’d like to start legal proceedings against the NI Executive (the devolved government in NI) but I’m unsure if I have what it takes to go through with it.

          1. The ECHR has never found for marriage equality and is unlikely to do so for quite a few years.

            If a case can succeed anywhere in the EU, it probably is NI, because civil partnerships are “everything but the name”. The injury is lesser than in a jurisdiction without partnership rights, but the discrimination is more clear-cut (the government can’t argue that it doesn’t want to give rights to same-sex couples, because it already has).

            The US Supreme Court may be helpful. Judge Walker’s decision in the California Prop 8 case uses this line of reasoning. (The 9th Circuit’s decision in the same case uses a different argument.) If SCOTUS upholds Walker’s argument, that will be useful at the ECHR. Of course there is no obligation on the ECHR to listen to SCOTUS, but in practice the courts read each other’s decisions.

            Alternatively, a case on NI adoption may still be necessary and would be successful in the UK courts (no need to petition the ECHR).

  10. Many of the actors and comedians that are gay on tv at the moment have made a living from being incredibly camp and being a novelty. They aren’t all where they are because of this, but I bet it has certainly helped.

    I’m unsurprised so many would rather keep up the pretence of being separate but equal.

    1. I think you mean ‘actors who are known to be gay’ – it doesn’t really apply to men like Michael French or Jeremy Sheffield or Ben Daniels.

  11. Thanks god, dreadful actor and irritating in the extreme, delighted he left, though EE/corrie/emmerdale always dire with their portrayal of gay characters, makes me cringe! Hollyoaks the only one that seems to get it right and I not even a big fan

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