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Canada: Gay-straight alliance bill is as disrespectful as a ‘right to eat pork’ Jewish student group, say religious opponents

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  1. In my view no school in Great Britain should be organised specifically to promulgate religious mythologies.

    1. Indeed. It’s a form of child abuse.

    2. Or, indeed, in Canada. Or anywhere else for that matter…

  2. Darren Theoret 16 Mar 2013, 3:43pm

    Eating pork won’t kill you, suicide will

  3. Robert A. Cuthbertson, MD 16 Mar 2013, 4:05pm

    To those who are so blinded by your religious beliefs I have the following comment.
    Religious affiliation is a choice…not determined by genetics; however, some of the indoctrination if family determined.
    Eating pork is a choice….you choose to eat it or not…and your not eating it does not stop anybody from selling it in the local grocery.
    Being LGBT is NOT a choice…born gay and never changed…you cannot say that about your religion or your eating pork.
    Please become educated not indoctrinated.

  4. I hope some enterprising student sets up a pork-eating group at this school.

    That rabbi sounds like an utter moronic bigot.

  5. As someone who has gone thru school in Manitoba and still lives here, this is a necessary piece of legislation for ALL schools who RECEIVE provincial funding.

  6. Liam the God 16 Mar 2013, 5:13pm

    And ALL the Homophobic Bigoted Religious nutters come out to play. What a lot of “Love and Peace” these backward morons have in their foaming rabid brains! Just because YOU don’t eat pork or shellfish doesn’t stop others, nor does a club promoting understanding stop you from your stone-age beliefs.
    I. HATE. ALL. RELIGION!
    All the best, Delbert the Pigeon

  7. “It would be wrong for a student of an Orthodox Jewish school to demand the right to eat a lunch of non-kosher food such as pork. ”

    Why exactly?

  8. Har Davids 16 Mar 2013, 5:37pm

    So, it’s disrespectful if you want to treat others, who may slightly diferent from the norm, as fellow human beings, which sounds like the decent thing to do. And even if being LGBT were a choice, what’s wrong with accepting people as they are? Only a bigot would differ.

  9. I am happy to advocate for Jewish people not to eat pork, if that is what they want? The important issue is for all groups to have equality of choice.

    1. So you believe that jewish people who want to eat pork in a publicly funded school should also have that right I hope.

  10. David Jordan 16 Mar 2013, 7:00pm

    I thought schools where supost to look after the needs and wants of their students, not the other way round. Maybe I’m just being naive.
    Anyone familiar with Canada who can tell me if these faith schools (indoctrination centres) are state funded?

    1. “In order for independent schools to be eligible for funding, Manitoba Education requires schools to implement the required regulations and policies for a three year waiting period and for every year thereafter.” Requirements and list of institutions at http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/schools/ind/funded_ind.html The funding is approx 50% of the per student funding in the public school system or about CAD 5,000 per student per year.

      This is generally the provincial model whereas Ontario has two (French and English) separate Catholic Public School systems funded by the province.

  11. I am 100% pro gay rights, but I believe this rabbi is correct.

    You could argue that a gay-straight alliance does not promote gays having forbidden sex or that they also support celibate gays, but that doesn’t negate the fact that these groups strongly support the idea that it is ok or good when a gay person makes the choice to have sex with another gay person.

    Then it is the same as saying it’s ok for
    an orthodox jewish person to eat ham if
    they make that choice.

    But a religious orthodox establishment does not allow for such choices at all.

    This type of enforcement of inclusion also really harms progress in many other geographic areas.

    1. Liam the God 16 Mar 2013, 10:10pm

      Please, do explain this theory that “Inclusion really harms progress in other areas”, because I’m interested to know which areas, and how. Take your time…

      1. Liam-I will give you an example in the Caribbean region from Belize to Jamaica to Guyana you have a strong anti gay consensus with sodomy laws. Only one Afro Caribbean region country Bahamas has repealed it’s sodomy law. The strongest argument against repeal is the slippery slope if you repeal sodomy next they will have gay marriage here. This same argument was made by Scalia in the US.

        In more progressive countries like the US, many people would support marriage equality if churches and church organizations are exempt. That is the case in Rhode Island.

        When campaigns for marriage equality are fought in the media, the fundamentalists feature commercials that show that the religious will be forced to teach homosexuality in their churches and schools.

        This law in Manitoba would be a perfect propaganda. It really is wrong to force the religious that what they consider wrong is ok. Having marriage equality should not force that.

        1. Liam the God 17 Mar 2013, 2:04pm

          So you’re saying that a TRADITION of Homophobia trumps the rights of people that are gay? You are saying that their false information has more weight that compassion? And you’re saying that Religion is right to continue its hate speech against Gay people? Thank you for clearing that up. Now go back to the Bronze Age where your opinions have their roots.

    2. Always beware the so called supporter who begins any statement with – I am 100% in support of … but – its what most racists say before they slag of blacks.

      1. JD- you don’t know me. I marched for gay rights from age 15, probably long before you were born.

  12. And here you go again… religious groups are not the problem. Religious zealots are not the problem…the only real problem is the very existence of religion, in any of its forms…because without it there wouldn’t be the hatred we face everywhere. And there is no other solution, ULTIMATELY than the eradication of religion itself…by whatever means necessary. We are a very very very long way from it. In the meantime, we’ll have to take the bigots out of the equation one at a time. One argument at a time if it can work, or by any other means insuring our survival as a social group. Because we are talking survival here in case you have any doubt…

  13. The bill is aimed at reducing bullying (child abuse) in schools, in order to improve the wellbeing of children. Ultimately, it will save the lives of many children who would otherwise fall into depression and suicidal thoughts – with some acting on those thoughts.

    As this bill could be a lifeline for children, how could anyone, let alone a Christian, be opposed to it.

    How can those opposing the bill claim that their Christianity is loving and life-giving if they are content to let young, depressed people in need of support, die because nobody is prepared to hold out their hand to them? They’ve obviously decided that the story of the Good Samaritan in the bible isn’t to their liking, but preaching hatred is.

    Their beliefs are to promote child abuse in an area specified by the education minister as having higher rates of depression and mental health issues amongst young people, because of bullying.

  14. Personally, I always think of homophobes, sexists and transphobes as not kosher: that’s why I never eat them;)

    1. Some poor cows have Mad Cow Disease, but homophobes, sexists and transphobes have Mad Human Disease, so it’s probably advisable not to eat them! Apart from the disease they spread, I’m sure they taste revolting anyway.

  15. Still more proof that ALL superstitions posing as faith are defunked and have no credibility at all – these unevolved retards are hiding behind a fiction to propose their small minded hatred -

    No intelligent person can justify a religion any longer.

  16. Christopher in Canada 17 Mar 2013, 12:08am

    This whole “kosher” thing is yet another way that one religious group holds itself apart and above the rest of humanity.

    1. Liam the God 17 Mar 2013, 12:34am

      Ah, but don’t worry: You can eat Pork and Shellfish because of the Freezer! Some rabid yankee xtian homophobes said so, so it must be true!

  17. Spanner1960 17 Mar 2013, 6:48am

    Nobody is forcing anyone to be gay. I’m sure most Jewish people have lots of friends that eat pork, so why can’t people of faith learn to understand others?

    1. Liam the God 17 Mar 2013, 2:45pm

      Most Jewish people I’ve known were pork eating Atheists. Jewish by Ethnicity, but not by faith.

  18. I can’t think of a single Jewish friend of mine who doesn’t eat pork or, for that matter, a single Catholic friend who doesn’t happily admit to using contraception!

  19. As a young person in Manitoba who struggled to start and maintain a GSA in my school, even with support from the administration, I am incredibly proud of our education minister, Nancy Allan, for sticking to her guns about this one, despite the insanity being thrown at her.

    However, I am extremely embarrassed that we ended up international news for something so despicable as the hatred from the religious sects. Definitely not reflective of the province as a whole.

  20. Abstaining from pork is a choice, Rabbi Arsehole.

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