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Tory peer Lord True: ‘What happens if we have a lesbian Queen in a gay marriage who conceives using donor sperm?’

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  1. Can anyone tell me how much this idiot is costing the taxpayer.

    1. What’s concerning is that it’s not just the cost to the taxpayer for these buffoons, it’s the fact that they have a chance to shape our laws for the rest of their lives whilst they sit in the House of Lords.

    2. In October 2012 (the latest available month) he had £4800 attendance allowance (members of the Lords get paid for each day they turn up), and he can loan up to two computers, a printer, and a PDA for free (which he apparently does). He can also claim travel expenses, but didn’t during that month. If you want to go through other months, you can look here:

  2. A homophobe of the first order.

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Mar 2013, 1:48pm

    Another bloody Tory bigot trying to delay progress. I saw exactly the same thing with David Burrowes and Tim Loughton in committee hearing, pushing amendment after amendment, all of them unnecessary of course and all of them shot down, thankfully.

    These bigots will stop at nothing to hinder progress of the equal marriage bill at every stage of the debate. I’m glad the majority of them had the common sense to reject such a frivolous amendment. Let’s hope reason reigns when they debate it in the Lords in May. This moron is an embarrassment to himself. This definitely cries out for Lords reform, an elected chamber.

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      Will revisit here in the hope of a response.


      1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Mar 2013, 3:40pm

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      2. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Mar 2013, 3:50pm

        Eddy, I’ve just tried to sign up again and am waiting approval by the network owner. This happened before but approval for whatever reason ever arrived in my email. I have no idea what approval is based on.

        1. Hi Robert. It could be that my.pinknews is no longer active. I went in the other day and saw that there had been no activity since 2012. Will email you shortly. Thanks for email address.

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Mar 2013, 4:53pm

            Hi Eddy, there used to be a link to my.pinknews on the home page but it’s no longer on mine. Twice last year I attempted to sign up but never received confirmation from PN. Perhaps it’s been disbanded.

  4. Hopefully that will never happen.

    Because hopefully when Elizabeth Windsor dies the grotesque institution of the monarchy will finally be abolished, along with the unelected House of ‘Lords’which this True moron is a member.

    As for True – typical Tory.

    The Toires remain the party of hatred.

  5. If there is a Lesbian Queen in a Gay Marriage – will there be an “X Factor” Style show to decide who the Sperm Donor will be?

    1. May as well be.

      At least that would be more democratic than the current situation where our head of state is completely unelected and is given a life of unfathomable, and undeserved luxury through an accident of birth.

      1. On the Other Hand 14 Mar 2013, 2:13pm

        Or a life of slavery, duty and total lack of privacy which they never chose, depending on your point of view.

        1. No-one has ever forced Liz Windsor to be the unelected head of state.

          She chooses to remain the ‘queen’ despite having never been voted in.

          And why wouldn’t she – it sure beats working for a living.

          And look at her children – Andrew and Edward are the very definition of leeches.

        2. Parliament has managed to depose several inconvenient monarchs against their will – I am certain that if Elizabeth had stated that she did not want to become the monarch, or that she wanted to abdicate once she was, the government would have obliged.

          1. And it’s also time we had a referendum on becoming a republic.

            I’m pretty sure all those Tories and UKIP people who are demanding a referendum on Britain leaving the EU are also fully in favour of having a referendum on becoming a republic.

            How could they not be?

    2. Spinner1906 14 Mar 2013, 2:02pm


    3. Or why not just decide the next King or Queen by the Majesty Factor. But would the winner get the income from Royal Estates?

  6. “Existing laws already ensure that only a Royal child born to heterosexual parents can succeed, he said.”


    Even further evidence as to why the monarchy needs to be abolished after Liz Windsor dies.

    1. Do we really have to wait?

    2. CH Brighton 14 Mar 2013, 4:00pm

      In her biography ‘the royals’, Kitty Kelley claimed that the queen and her sister had both been conceived by turkey baster as there were sexual problems between the queen mother and her husband. And Lady Colin Cambell claimed in her biography of the queen mother that Elizabeth Bowes Lyon and her younger brother were the children of their father and the family cook. No wonder the royal family didn’t want to take part in genetic comparisons to help the identity of the skeleton of Richard III – there might have been no link at all – despite heterosexual intercourse.

      1. Interesting- and where did they get this information to back there claims up from?

  7. Pope Dorothy 200th 14 Mar 2013, 1:56pm

    Omg, omg, everyone panic, what’ll the country do in that ever so likely scenario?!

    But wait, even before that, how will the openly Lesbian Queen get married in Westminster Abbey when it’s banned by the Church she’s head of?? Can she change Canon Law with a stroke of the pen, like the Pope??

    These are important issues that Peers must address now, before it is too late for their great great grandchildren !!

  8. Lord True was, prior to being made a Lord, special adviser to John Major when he was PM. Apparently he was Major’s favourite speech-writer!

    He hasn’t done anything of worth to the nation to deserve having a seat in Parliament for the rest of his life. There are plenty more like him in the House of Lords.

    Time for an elected second chamber to make him (and other pointless nobodies in the Lords) unemployed.

  9. For goodness’ sake, do these buffoons really have nothing better to think about?

    1. Spinner 1906 14 Mar 2013, 2:20pm

      That’s no way to talk about people contributing to this comments column.

      1. casparthegood 14 Mar 2013, 6:19pm

        Marked down for THAT – some people need to grow a sense of humour

    2. He’s grasping at straws with this one. It’s one of the most pathetic attempts to try to defame gay people I’ve heard in a long time.

  10. ColinJones 14 Mar 2013, 2:21pm

    He’s got one hell of an imagination, is this some kind of kinky fantasy of his?

  11. He’s evidently the progeny of intergalactic aliens secretly planted into an earthly surrogate mother.

  12. I expect he is a bigoted old dinosaur, but I do feel there may be a serious point here that’s being overlooked. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are expecting a daughter who in due course we expect to become queen.

    What if she’s gay? I hope that the country is largely now mature enough to accept the possibility of a lesbian queen. What if she wants children? Yes, that’s a lot of what if’s, but these things can be better sorted out a long time before the personalities of the people involved clouding the issues.

    1. I hope the country is now mature enough to accept the possibility of a democratically elected head of state.

      Royalty is an undemocratic relic of times past as has no place in Britain in 2013.

    2. glasgow1975 26 Mar 2013, 3:29pm

      Queen Anne was widely regarded as ‘liking the ladies’, the Succession simply went to her second cousin, George I after her death. We are not short of Royal heirs to fall back on at the moment.

  13. The whole donor sperm issue just shows that Lord True hasn’t been keeping up to date with reproductive science over the last decade or so.

    Researchers have had some success creating gametes (sperm and eggs) from bone marrow stem cells, and the process works for both sperm and eggs irrespective of the genetic sex of the original stem cells. I.e. they can create sperm from female cells, and eggs from male cells.

    This will allow lesbians, gay men, trans people and infertile heterosexuals to have children who are their genetic offspring. So if Britain ever found itself with a lesbian on the throne there would be no problem ensuring that she had a daughter to succeed her who was the genetic offspring of both herself and her wife.

  14. Liam the God 14 Mar 2013, 2:34pm

    In his scenario the only thing that will happen is Satirists will have a SHITLOAD of new material to work with!

  15. Dear god! I bet his mother wishes she’d screwed someone outside the family gene-pool! Scary-looking, scary ideas!

  16. What if there is an lesbian queen who is abducted by aliens, impregnated by the king of the aliens then returned to earth?

    1. See David Icke’s website – he thinks it’s already happened!

  17. don’t worry Mr True – by that time the English won’t be able to afford a monarchy or Lordies and will have generally come to its senses and implemented a republic. presidents of the republic will be elected and inherited rights will not be allowed – human rights will also be reinstated after a short period of madness – its True !

  18. Why be troubled?

    If we have a Lesbian Queen and her Princess Consort with their wonderful heir conceived through artificial insemination then… why not? What is the problem here?

    Ah yes, Tory bigotry

    1. The problem that the head of state remains unelected will still exist.

      And the problem that there is no separation of church and state in Britain will still exist.

      And the problem that we have an unelected upper house of parliament influencing our laws will still exist.

      If Britain is desperate to keep a monarch then it’s a real shame – but the separation of church and state, and the abolition of an unelected upper house should be non-negotiable to everyoe.

  19. “What happens if we have a lesbian Queen in a same-sex marriage who conceives using an egg implanted with donor sperm?”
    Ooooh, ooooh, I know this one…
    You’ve seen that Cronenberg movie “Scanners”… well the entire readership of the Daily Mail will emulate that famous head-exploding scene on reading the front page the next morning.
    Any more hypotheticals for us?

    1. Liam the God 15 Mar 2013, 5:36pm

      If that happened the nations average IQ would go up by around 15%.

  20. Mr. True, what happens if we have a lesbian Queen in a same-sex marriage who conceives using an egg implanted with donor sperm is that there will be a child born into a loving same-sex marriage and that child may well one day become this nation’s and the commonwealth’s monarchical figurehead?

    That’s what will happen, Mr. True. There will be no problem and such a figurehead is likely to be more loved than many other monarchs.
    The law should be clear, but this is a question that has not been thought through in the bill.”

    1. Sorry about the question-mark at the end of that first sentence. It should be an exclamation mark!

  21. “What happens if we have a lesbian Queen in a same-sex marriage who conceives using an egg implanted with donor sperm?” WHAT IF WE DO? Welcome to the 21st Century, you dinosaur!

    1. The concept of a ‘queen'(meaning monarch) is a direct contradiction with life in the 21st century.

      After Liz dies there needs to be a referendum on whether we maintain the monarchy. (That buffoon Charles Windsor is clearly an inadequate head of state.)

      It is beyond obscene that we have NEVER been given a choice to live in a democratic society where our rulers are elected.

  22. Oh, he’s made my day, I’m laughing so much that I have tears in my eyes. With that kind of enemies we don’t need to do anything, just relax and enjoy the show.

  23. Tim Chapman 14 Mar 2013, 4:51pm

    How would that be different to a queen in an opposite sex marriage with an impotent prince consort who conceives using donor sperm? What difference would the gender of the spouse make?

  24. I believe he genuinely feels bringing monarchy and hereditary rights to throne into the argument justifies his bigoted view somehow.

    Interesting though how he now raises this point in a homophobic manner when it could equally apply to any heterosexual monarch who finds they cannot conceive and may seek IVF.

  25. That There Other David 14 Mar 2013, 5:13pm

    What imagine must run through this man’s head to even come up with such an amendment….

    He ought to give up politics and write fantasy novels. He’d make a fortune.

    1. That There Other David 14 Mar 2013, 5:13pm

      or even….imagination!! ;-)

  26. “Lord True, who had tabled an amendment, said the rules should explicitly demand that future monarchs be the offspring of both parties of a heterosexual marriage, excluding children conceived using sperm or eggs from a donor or surrogate.”

    I thought all the royal wives and husbands throughout history were just surrogates.

    Lord True is a very silly man.

  27. NaomiClareNL 14 Mar 2013, 6:56pm

    Silly me. Here I am, thinking ALL children are natural born.
    Or did I miss something and can I get them now by mailorder without all that 9 months incubating thing?

  28. … It would make as much sense as dies any hereditary monarchy!

    1. Rob Alexander 14 Mar 2013, 6:59pm

      Should have read “does”!

  29. NaomiClareNL 14 Mar 2013, 7:04pm

    Silly me, I thought ALL children were natural born…

    1. NaOmiClareNL 14 Mar 2013, 7:06pm

      Ugh, double posting due to being impatient. Sorry!

  30. Isn’t our next king going to be gay. Well not ‘officially’ of course. Does it even matter? No.

  31. john lyttle 14 Mar 2013, 9:14pm

    Can’t Pink News find a picture of this guy in his tin foil hat?

  32. He needs to read up on his history. There have been many clearly gay Kings and Queens all over the world throughout history.

  33. Well it’s nice to know that despite the serious economic and finacial problems facing the country one of our esteemed lawmakers can still be kept awake at night worrying frantically about the most serious political issue of all… the possibility of a sperm donor created offspring of a lesbian same sex married monarch potentially not having an official constitutional status !

    1. However many years in the future that may be…

  34. Ähm… nothing?

  35. The Kitty Channel 15 Mar 2013, 8:57am

    The best argument I’ve ever seen for putting the Lords out to grass and replacing them with an elected upper chamber.

  36. matthew leeper 15 Mar 2013, 10:18am

    What’s wrong with having a lesbian queen and why is the method of contraception so important . This guy is a stereotypical homophobic Tory scumbag and a a smugtwat to boot

  37. ..this is just another example of how we humans are constantly evolving and therefore need to stop or change certain traditions, so what if the Queen was someday a lesbian and had a child by a sperm donor? We need to work round this and not by doing our usual ‘digging our heels in’ and burying our heads in the Sand and uphold the out od date things!–

  38. Annastacia 24 Mar 2013, 6:17pm

    So it’s okay to enter a sham of a marriage to have a baby, but not okay to have one of those partners be an “official” donor? That makes no sense to me at all.

  39. It is an interesting point.. but society would move on

  40. ‘What happens if we have a lesbian Queen in a gay marriage who conceives using donor sperm?’

    Answer: A family. A lovely family. Why is that so hard to grasp?

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