Seems to be very fluid in his ‘views’.
Wonder what he’ll think tomorrow.
This is the worst sort of compromise view that doesn’t please anyone at all
I can’t understand his line of argument. Civil Partnership (CP) is in fact de-facto gay marriage and changing CP to gay marriage is merely a question of semantics. Therefore Welby being for CP but against gay marriage is illogical.
It’s not semantics Mal. If it were, CPs would have equal recognition in 11 countries where equal civil marriage is legal. They are not de-facto marriage unless the law stipulates that they are and they never will be according to the 1973 Marriage Causes Act. They are different in construct having no state prescribed vows exchanged, no ring necessary, no divorce but dissolution, no adultery, significant pension disparities that are unequal between hetero married couples and CPd couples, to name but a few. That said, I agree with your last sentence. He is absolutely wrong. Therefore, no dialogue with Welby. He claims there are 1 million Anglicans in the UK, by that I assume he means regular church goers, compared to more than 3 million gay people in the UK. It seems he would have the minority of church goers’ rights and religious beliefs to take precedence over ours in what is a purely civil matter. This is nothing more than blatant bigotry.
Consigning people to the back of the bus is NOT strengthening relationships.
Besides, we are talking civil marriage so take your hocus pocus and stuff it.
Your cult is already exempt from dealing with us “nasty gays”.
Dont do us any favours then Bish….the religious lot highjacked marriage and is now using any pathetic excuse to stop us getting that….cant say I trust this man…after all he supports women holding religious posts and according his fictional book he follows calls that an abomination….twice!
What is “such a relationship” meant to mean? Heterosexual marriage? Please do not be ambiguous.
Mr. Welby if you REALLY recognise “that the love between people of the same-sex is ‘no less’ than heterosexual couples”, then you will have NO PROBLEM with wishing for same-sex couples be welcomed into the institution of marriage pronto!
Otherwise you’re just a man of double-speak and hypocrisy.
Justin Welby says there’s not enough marriage to go round, it’s scarce and there’s only enough for mixed sex couples.
If we let same sex couples have marriage then like a cordial drink it will need to be be diluted and thinned down and won’t taste as sweet to anyone.
He doesn’t want to share the wedding cake with gay people but wants slices of it reserved only for opposite sex couples, same sex couples can go find themselves something else from the buffet like a sausage roll or scotch egg but no wedding cake for them, but really they are still equal. Yeah right.
Hope you are OK, Pavlos,
Hey guys, that’s so kind of you to ask.
When the worst thing has already happened, losing the one person you loved most in the world, then you either crumble or become sort of fearless. I’m hanging-in here for a while.
darling you can’t burn you candle at both ends – otherwise you know what happens
Well dear Archbishop, just step aside and don’t get in the road of the advance of gay rights thank you very much. We have all had enough of your moralizing about us. Go away and say your prayers Archbuster.
“I want to strengthen gay relationships because they’re just as good as straight relationships, except if you want to get married when they’re not.”
In other words – the Archbishop is another homophobic bigot but recognises the need to play the PR game to pretend he isn’t a bigot.
This guy is ridiculous and just shows religion for the big pile of horse crap that it is. If being homosexual is a sin, stick to that – don’t try and pander. He has no voice with anyone but old granny christians so, bothered.
Headline. ‘Religious delusional spews nonsense and is ignored’. Bye bye Arch Bish keep taking the tablets.
Here’s an idea, Justin: you call your thing ‘Holy Matrimony’ and we’ll have ‘marriage’. That way you can keep your little (inclusive-not) discrimination going, but only in terms of your own stupid religion.
Sounds like he’s more concern about keeping the 80 million Anglicans happy in their comfortable, traditional prejudice rather than doing what is right and moral. He’s really trying to play both sides of the fence and it “ain’t workin”. His rationale makes no sense at all.
I also strongly suspect this man is gay from his photo. Sad when a gay man endorses discrimination against his own kind. That’s the worst sort of self loathing there is.
I had the same impression, Nikki. Another Anglican version of O’Brien. Self-loather!
Like the Roman Catholics, Welby is caught between the minority rock of common sense and the majority hard place of third-world homophobia. He’s a simple solution: ask yourself ‘What would Jesus do?’ Simples…
watching all these religious bigots speak “in his name”, I suspect that Jesus would probably walk across a large pond, with a couple jugs of water, turn those into a nice vintage Pinot Noir, and get filthy stinking drunk out of utter frustration.
Equality comes at a price, and if two people love each other whether they are of same gender or not, in a modern society the church should help to strengthen those relationships in Marriage. No doubt Justin Welby will be demonstrating on 24th March with the french who are coming to the UK to demonstrate against SSM.
The demo against equal marriage will play into the hands of bigoted opponents who won’t be there that theirs is the majority view across the UK. Meanwhile, we won’t be countering it. The BBC will I’m sure give more than wide coverage. It’s all part of the opposition’s m.o. to thwart equal marriage in the Lords because there are many just like them sitting there.
We won’t be countering it? I plan to be there.
Couldn’t give a rats ar$e what the leader of the C of E cult says about my relationship. As I’m not a christian he should restrict his comments to those who actually give a damn about what he says.
If he recognises that the love between people of the same-sex is as “no less” than heterosexual couple then he is a massive hypocrite for not supporting marriage equally.
He just wants to make excuses for his flock to openly discriminate against. He is as shameful as all the other bigoted religious leader.
What do they fear from a better, stable society? They fear the loss of control… then accuse all governments of democratically voting for equal marriage.
Get thee hence to
CANTERBURY DEMO: THURSDAY 21ST MARCH FROM 11AM
‘OILYBIGOT’ OF CANTERBURY’S ENTHRONEMENT (Ceremony is at 2.30pm) with the likes of Cameron et al…)
BASED AROUND A ‘STOP NHS CUTS’ DEMO, BUT LIKELY ‘OTHERS’ CAN JOIN IN.
(Use banners linking to this, eg: No H-omophobic S-ermons . Or perhaps : Homophobia harms gays- costs NHS etc, etc,. etc.
Just hope this weather’s cleared…
“I think that the problem with the gay marriage proposals is that they don’t actually include people equally, it’s called equal marriage, but the proposals in the Bill don’t do that. I think that where there is.”
“I understand why people want that to be strengthened and made more dignified, somehow more honourable in a good way. It’s not the same as marriage.”
Gibberish. Does anyone on here have a clue what this prattling primate actually means? I’m stumped for one.
He just talks through his mouth as his asshole is worn out.
It’s all about the penis/vagina nonsense, obsession with sex as usual.
Well, in that case we can do it for ourselves, archbishop, thanks, please don’t put yourself out
What f******* planet did this twit come from…Logic seems very muddy…loser dipstick…What about the gay marriages in Canada and some of these were once Anglican..
Well the Archbishops could start employing gay bishops, he could allow the civil registration of CPs in Anglican churchs….No, the Anglican church does nothing, the CofE doesn’t accept CPs so I’m not expecting it to accept SSM.
As for the 1 million Anglicans in the UK (a much lower figure than we were told by the Tories MPs who said more than 60% of us were Anglicans) then why should I care what they think of SSM.
What he really means is that second-class marriage i.e. civil partnership, is good enough for second-class citizens i.e. LGBT people. This sounds like just the sort of irrational and indefensible argument I heard growing up in South Africa during the apartheid era!
discussing this subject in paradox only proves his confusion and adds to the confusion of undecideds…grow up…
It’s extra heartbreaking to see someone who clearly understands that love between 2 people of the same gender isn’t ‘less than’ turn right round and insist that recognizing our equality will somehow damage hetero marriage or ‘the institution’ of marriage itself.
But he tips his hand by referring to the world wide Anglican community: they already stand at the edge of schism, and he doesn’t want to go down in history as the one who tipped them over that edge.