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Archbishop of Canterbury: The bible is ‘clear’ that gay sex and adoption are wrong

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  1. Although Dr Welby has previously stated his opposition to equal marriage and the ordination of gay bishops, in a speech at Lambeth Palace, Dr Welby signalled that he was willing to engage on LGBT issues by saying:

    Will this article be finished or are we going to be guessing what he said next.
    LOL

    1. No one cares, he is totally irrelevant. Even he admits his own followers are dwindling away.

      He moralises to us and then gets “enthroned” what complete hypocrisy.

    2. Read! Read!

      The BBC has seen evidence that bishops in the Catholic Church in Scotland knew of 20 allegations of child sex abuse by priests between 1985 and 1995.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473

    3. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473

      “Now more alleged victims are coming forward after Cardinal Keith O’Brien admitted sexual misconduct after resigning as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh following allegations by other priests.

      He does not face any criminal allegations, or any claims of child abuse.

      Lawyer Cameron Fyfe said: “I’m acting for six clients who allege abuse, two of whom have come forward just in the last few weeks since the Keith O’Brien scandal.

      “Some of them go back to the early 1980s, but two of them have been within the last 10 years.””

    4. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Mar 2013, 9:12pm

      But what he could possibly think we’d want dialogue about? He opposes virtually everything about us. We’re less than human.

  2. … but then the bible is only relevant to those who believe it. I don’t and I wish these people would stop quoting it – and the media reporting them – as it is even remotely relevant to people like myself .. who are in a HUGE majority of non-believers. To report this man’s comments is both irrelevant and irresponsible as it used by homophobes to justify their bigotry and even bully others. Can’t we just IGNORE what they have to say … ?

    1. fauxtronic 9 Mar 2013, 10:54am

      Ignoring homophobia doesn’t make it go away. Confronting it and raising awareness of its ignorance and hatefulness does.

      I’m sorry you are (understandably) upset by the Archbishop’s words, but as principle leader of the Church of England (ie. the officially sanctioned church of our country, of which the monarch is the head), it would be utterly irresponsible for the press (particularly the activist press) to ignore his homophobic speeches.

  3. Dave North 8 Mar 2013, 3:21pm

    Sorry ArchPish, but your comic is NOT clear about it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament

    There are many translations, re-translations and suppositions by many scholars and theologians over the millennia and it was also written for the cultural mores of the time.

    So bugger off and pray for forgiveness from your deity for lying.

    1. bobbleobble 8 Mar 2013, 3:28pm

      I agree that the Bible isn’t as clear as this guy wishes it were, all he’s talking about is his interpretation. However even if it were clear then so what? We’re talking about a book written thousands of years ago by myriad people whose motives we can only speculate on and well before humanity began to study let alone understand sexuality. It’s no longer good enough to say that it’s in the Bible, we also want to know why. Why is sex only allowed in marriage? And how come the CofE can ignore other strict rules from the Bible but this one which is less than clear is somehow sacrosanct?

      1. By even entering into this debate about what it does and doesn’t say, you are giving the man, and the bible, credibility. I simply do not get it. This is a fable. A novel. A made-up story meant to encourage people to live as the tribal leaders of the time WANTED people to live, to further their own ends. To produce cannon-fodder. To ‘put the fear of god’ into people so they would behave. You are trying to ‘rationalise’ with this man. You cannot rationalise over an irrational and made-up piece of literature. Talking snakes and women made from men’s ribs. Oh please! Surely, it’s time we just dismissed these people as anachronistic time lords stuck in history?

        1. bobbleobble 9 Mar 2013, 11:11am

          Whether you like it or not this man and the Bible do have credibility and we need to debate with these people. Whether we can rationalise or not we need to stand up and say that they are wrong and tell them why they are wrong. Ignoring them doesn’t make them go away it makes them bolder.

    2. Listen, let’s stop pretending the Bible is not against homosexuality. I find all the convoluted arguments about scriptural ambiguity absolutely pathetic. The Bible is just an evil old book, as are all religious texts. If you are gay and looking for comfort in this fairytale you better have a bloody good imagination.

      1. Paul Essex/London 9 Mar 2013, 3:22am

        Whilst I completely understand the negative feeling toward religion that many LGBT people have (myself included), making a blanket attack on all religion because some use some holy texts for homophobic views really doesn’t help. If you have a massive aversion to religion generally then fair enough, but don’t attack others because they can see past the tripe that the homophobes use to spin with it.

        For me it’s about attacking the source, i.e. parts of religious texts (e.g. the Bible) that are used for antigay purposes. It’s not about making convoluted arguments r.e. scripture in favour of homosexuality, it’s about showing that convoluted arguments against homosexuality on religious grounds have been developed over several millennia (don’t forget most of the Old Testament was written over 3 millennia before Jesus was born).

        The alternative is to turn it into Religion v Homosexuality – that’s exactly what the Christian Inst. et al want so they prolong the debate by playing victim.

      2. bobbleobble 9 Mar 2013, 11:18am

        If you don’t want to be involved in convoluted arguments then don’t get involved but it is important to point out to these people that their holy book isn’t clear as they wish it was. I believe it reflects well on us that we can take the argument to them on their own turf, we can challenge what they say and sometimes we can reach people based on those arguments. Whether we like it or not the Bible is here to stay and the only way to get through to some people is to talk to them in those terms. Trying to ignore the Bible or dismiss it as irrelevant is truly pathetic.

  4. That’s what I mean. It is laughable that we even REPORT what these people have to say. The bible is a fable – written by men. If I started quoting Peter Pan as some form of moral guide book, I’d be laughed into a mental home. Yet we continue to give these people print space and air time. It’s MAD!!!!

    1. Unfortunately, the Archbigot has power and influence, when he really has no more authority or insight into anything than someone who spends their life in a Star Trek uniform promoting the Tao of Kirk.

      1. Exactly, Valsky. And it is THIS which is wrong. He would NOT be taken so seriously if church and state were separate. He would be just the spokesperson of any other minority-interest club. It is laughable in a modern democracy that our head of state also heads the state church. Nonsense. And it’s ALL because of ‘history’. Well, times change and if we want to be taken seriously when we lecture the world on the merits of democracy, we should ditch the forty unelected bishops who currently sit in the house of lords and immediately separate church from its unhealthy and ludicrously idiotic connection to state.

        1. Church and state are separate in the U.S.A. but religion appears to have a far greater hold over people there than it does here.

  5. Maybe he should take a leaf from St Augustine of Hippo… ”the letter kills, but the spirit giveth life”. Ironically, the church’s obsession with sexual ethics proceeds from the said saint, but unlike current church leaders, he did not have the benefit of the enlightenment to go by so can be forgiven his bigotry. The Bible is also clear about divorce, tattooing, eating shellfish, wearing mixed fibres, working on the sabbath, oh… and letting anyone else call you ‘Father’ lest they confuse you for being the same as their Heavenly Father as wrong. Funny what is wrong if you want to pick and choose what you want to moralise about other people’s situations!

  6. Is he saying it should be illegal for non married straight people to have sex?

    Also, the bible does not mention homosexuality. It’s just the translations that bend the original language.

    I’d also like to see the passage where Jesus discusses gay adoption.

    But it does say a lot of other things are wrong. For example Jesus said that a wealthy man should give up all his personal possessions – does he think the wealthy should give all the money to the poor? – and does that include the church. Yes, lets sell all the churches, and the land the church owns, and all their possessions and give the money to the poor like Jesus said.

    He’s a stupid hypocritical bigoted idiot.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Mar 2013, 8:22pm

      He has to include non-married straight people, Mark Y.

  7. Welby is a very stupid bigot, a truly poisonous little gimp.

    When is Britain going to have a separation of church and state?

    1. Christopher Coleman 8 Mar 2013, 5:38pm

      Separating Church and State will gain you nothing. Politics in the USA is openly influenced by any number of ignoramuses who choose to spew their religious convictions over their fellow citizens. Some of them even do so in the houses of Congress. Never mind what the entire Bible says, these so-called Christians do not even seem to know what Jesus is reported to have said and they claim to be his followers.

      1. Yes, Christopher, there is not a word of religion in the Constitution of the United States but yet the religious-deluded wield clout in the nation’s government.

        However, if a divide were to be INTRODUCED here in the UK, that would be an indicative action that might have a lot of influence.

        Eventually though the UK could be in the same situation as the US.

      2. Christopher,
        Read again what you wrote and think again. “Separation… will gain yo nothing”… and the rest. What do yo think?
        Cheers

  8. Pink News needs to remember that all these religious stories are giving credibility to dying organsations.

    Most Britons are atheist or agnostic; and owing to the horrific bigotry of most churches I suspect only a very small minority of LGBT people believe in ‘god’.

    Do any British political parties support the separation og church and state?

    1. Dave North 8 Mar 2013, 3:48pm

      I think you will find that all these religious stories are driving people away from religion.

      People look on these idiots with ever growing incredulity.

      1. I sort-of agree David. However, why is it that organisations like the BBC will report Mr Welsad’s views but not challenge him on the hypocricy or selective nature of what he says? If they don’t, it is simply reporting the establishment line. WHY don’t they ask him about the inconsistencies of his arguments? Why does he not advocate the reintroduction of witch-burning and slavery – condoned by the bible? If his position is not challenged, the impressionable believe he is right – or at least more right than an ‘ordinary’ member of society. And, as we know, he has no more right to HIS opinion than any of us. We NEED to separate church and state – forthwith.

    2. George Broadhead 8 Mar 2013, 6:25pm

      See my later comment.

      I think the Green Party is the only one that supports the separation of church and state

      1. But as an American poster has implied the Constitution of the United States is secular, but look at the power the Xians wield over there!

        The blighters simply will not be kept down. The battle against them must go on “eternally” (sorry to use that religious term)!

    3. I don’t think that reporting on the power or misdeeds of the religious gives them credibility. It achieves the opposite.

      When I started visiting PinkNews back in 2007 or 2008 these threads were dominated by gay and lesbian people who would not hear a word said AGAINST religion! I remember it clearly. I used to enter “the room” and fire my missiles and they would all unleash hell against me!

      Things on PinkNews, and elsewhere, have changed since then, but we have a long long way to go! You know how the bigots are fighting like rabid cats down in the committee room at Westminster right now to make sure we never get to share their “sacred institution” of marriage. They will try to achieve a great deal more than that, as you know.

    4. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Mar 2013, 8:21pm

      Not as far as I know but one of them might if Lords reform is brought in, compelling them to be an elected body which would probably see the end of the 26 unelected Anglican clerics sitting there.

  9. Of couse if you do them together dickhead

  10. He’s another one with that look

  11. Oh dear, another archbigot. Yawn!

  12. As only the pants-crappingly insane give a toss about this massively-flawed tome of twaddle, who cares?

    1. “only the pants-crappingly insane give a toss about this massively-flawed tome of twaddle”

      A deliciously poetic line, Sasha! Love it!

      But we have to care about these loonies because if we don’t fight them like a Melanie Philips on QuestionTime (hope you saw the rabid Tory cat last night?) they’ll do us NO GOOD at all.

  13. This is yet MORE evidence that we need a COMPLETE separation of church and state. We should not have to be subjected to this nonsense in this day and age. It is childish and pathetic that unelected bishops sit in the house of lords and that our human rights are constantly under attack by ‘establishment’ figures like this because of some old fable. We should not even dignify these people with a response or media space. It is a rapidly diminishing minority interest organisation and it should not be given the crdibility it is, simply because of ‘historical’ reasons.

  14. Robert A. Cuthbertson, M.D. 8 Mar 2013, 3:48pm

    Mr.Welby….are you aware who wrote the book you so eloquently quote? Check out the Vatican…hidden in the catecombs…you might find the originals that do NOT care…about same sex relationships…as the Knights of the Crusades were married cause the pope needed followers with strict obedience…
    You right wing reliigious fanatics..lost in your own lies.

  15. Justin Welby is YET another double-standard hypocrite and bigot that speaks about what is clearly stated in the Bible.

    For a start, as the Archbishop of Canterbury of the Anglican Communion. Your Church sanctions divorces which is clearly mentioned in the KJV of the Bible – Mark 10:9 reads, “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”
    Mark 10:11-12, “And He said to them, ‘Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'”

    Justin Welby, I’m sure you enjoy prawns and lobster, know don’t you? Stop! Leviticus 11:10 reads, “But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you.”

    So far you’re a 2-faced hypocrite!!

    Let’s continue…

  16. Keith Francis Farrell 8 Mar 2013, 3:53pm

    I cannot understand how someone can claim to be christian, yet carry so much hate for their fellow man, surely the right thing is to say we are all equal before god, therefor we should all have the same equal rights and that includesthe right to love honnor and respe4ct the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. Get real or stop reading fairytale book and talking to an imaginary friend
    anyone his age claiming this imaginary friend from a fairy tale book would be put in a mental institution

  17. Mmm now for pork. Leviticus “And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
    not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
    “Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
    they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
    Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
    “And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
    it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat

    And garments woven with 2 fabrics are a no no – Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”

    Justin Welby STOP cherry picking the Bible verses YOU decide are sinful! If you choose to condemn one, you should condemn them ALL and live by it ALL!

    1. GingerlyColors 8 Mar 2013, 4:10pm

      Don’t forget Leviticus 21:20 – No one should approach the Altar of God if he has a defect in his vision. I suggest that Justin Welby either steps down as Archbishop of Canterbury or get those eyes lasered.

      1. Hahahaha! Excellent! Why are they (a) so selective in their use of that old book and (b) so obsessed with the ‘gay’? Creepy … :o

      2. hahaha…that’s funny!! Brilliant!

      3. I didn’t know that one- what a hoot

      4. The best respopnse yet! magnificent!

      5. douglas in canada 9 Mar 2013, 2:39pm

        Also in Leviticus 21:20 – anyone with a crushed testicle is forbidden from approaching the presence of God…. Now, WHY would something like even be mentioned?!?!?!

  18. Dave north 8 Mar 2013, 3:59pm

    And just which bible is “crystal clear” on the topic.

    The Cherokee New Testament (CHR) perhaps or maybe the Luther Bibel 1545 (LUTH1545) or could it be Contemporary English Version (CEV) let alone the English Standard Version (ESV).

    Here is a link to ALL your versions of your silly book. all 48 of them.

    http://www.allbibles.com/bibleversions.asp.

    They cant ALL be right, now can they.

    And this is the “English only” versions.

    There is always the other 119 foreign language versions:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

    They cant ALL be right, now can they.

    1. Superb, sir, simply superb. I think you and Gingerly Colours combine to win the internet tonight.
      Thank you for the excellence of your thinking.

      I read a comment like yours and am grateful for being gay, because we have the best thinkers.

  19. As it is said,It is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you,It is what comes out of your mouth. As we can see the Archbishop has a lot to learn.

  20. The quotes were from some years ago, and people do sometimes change their views and outlook

    1. like they change their interpretation of the book of fiction they hide behind?

  21. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Mar 2013, 4:01pm

    He’s turning out to be far more vile and vicious than Rowan Williams. Check out the article below and you’ll find out the kind of people he consorts with and supports.

    Welby can go f_ck himself if he thinks we want dialogue with him. Bigoted hypocrite. I hope more Anglicans leave their church in droves with this right wing piece of shite running the show.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3707165.ece

    1. Hey Robert. You live quite close to his 48 bed mansion. Why not pop in on him and as him why he’s so selective in his biblical quotations? Shouldn’t he be, ‘living as the birds of the field” and (Leviticus 21:20): “No one should approach the Altar of God if he has a defect in his vision”. Mr. Wellsad should get out of there quick as he’s a glasses-toting abomination according to the same book he uses to condemn gay people.

    2. Robert, thanks for that! The opening line, below, made me laugh out loud!

      ” The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was inspired to quit the oil industry and join the clergy by an American pastor who believes that the Apocalypse has started.

      The Times has discovered that the inspiration for the Archbishop’s religious vocation was John McClure, noted in California for his vocal opposition to abortion and gay marriage. “

  22. GingerlyColors 8 Mar 2013, 4:07pm

    If he read the Book of Leviticus properly then Justin Welby should stand down as Archbishop of Canterbury immediately. We will not be preached to by someone who should not even be approaching the Altar of God as he has a defect in his vision (he wears glasses) as it says so in Leviticus 21:20. Or will that be discrimination against people who wear glasses? If he wants to engage with the LGBT community then he should stop behaving like the European Taliban and stop cherry-picking which parts of the Bible to preach.

  23. He was bishop of Durham for one year, not 10.

  24. Out dated bigoted – hate filled opinions about a majority evolving human race – just continue to prove how irrelevant these pathetic superstitious people are in hiding their monsterous views behind an work of fiction!

    If only married, ‘str8′ couples should have sex and babies then what does he intend to do with all their unplanned – unwanted babies – turn em into choir boys and alter girls for his colleagues to abuse?

    Irradicate organised superstitons.

  25. It also states clearly in the bible that we shouldn’t wear clothing made from more than one type of fabric…..

    1. Yesssss – but they all look so gooorrrgeoussss is their purple and gold, dharling!! Where does it say in the bible that they should live in 48 bedroom mansions when people are homeless and prance about wearing big gold hats? It’s ALL so childish .. and from an era when, frankly, we were all less educated and MUCH more deferential. Just look at how people regarded the monarchy in even the 1950s. The church is an organisation out of time. We need to consign it to history where it belongs along with slavery and witch burning – both of which are condoned and even encouraged by the bible. As he’s so keep on living by the bible’s rules on homosexuality, will Mr Wellsad be bringing those back too …?

  26. a book written by so many people gods knows how long ago -no wonder the churches are empty dr w the world as moved on your views are backward

    1. Which of the 350 versions is he referring to. The bibles I have seen and read are NOT and I repeat NOT the spoken word of the FATHER nor of the SON.
      Every version has a differnt with a different interpretation.

  27. It’s both sad and mildly amusing to see people who know next-to-nothing about the Bible presuming to lecture an Archbishop of Canterbury (who actually has read it).

    1. If he ever read the Bible it he has clearly not understood what it is about.

    2. I’ve read it – it is ludicrous psychotic drivel, created by man to comfort the scared, extort the stupid and control the weak.

      1. I second that description, Valksy! Spot on! I had that drivel rammed down my throat day-in day-out for too many years. Complete and utter codswallop. Only adults with the sense of responsibility of babes live their lives according to the dictates of that pile of old parchment.

      2. Dave North 8 Mar 2013, 8:04pm

        I’ve also read it cover to cover and studied it

        Conclusion: It is bilge.

    3. apparently, the Archbigot has not read his bible CAREFULLY, as he is making statements about its contents which are readily and easily proven wrong.

    4. Paul Essex/London 9 Mar 2013, 3:32am

      It’s both sad and mildly amusing that religious homophobes seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them has never read Bible, studied the scripture in far greater depth then they themselves have ever bothered to and has a relationship with God which is less valid their own.

  28. Justin Welby is plainly a professional liar.

    There is no mention of ordinary consensual gay sex in the Bible that is neither abusive nor in a ritualistic context there is nothing about gay adoption.

  29. That’s ok a rape victim has 2 choices death or marry the attacker:

    Deuteronomy 22: 23-24

  30. DEMO AT HIS ENTHRONEMENT AT CANTERBURY CATHEDRAL

    Thursday 21st March Assemble from: 11am The Buttermarket, Outside the main gate of Cath’. (It’s mainly a pro NHS demo, BUT, anyone can come along.)

    CANTERBURY by train to East (walk via Dane John Gdns, Bus Sta then left into High St and down about 150 yards, then right towards Cath tower (Burgate); or West Station, walk turn right,then left down road over and through northgate tower and into high st, pass Beaney Musuem at about 400 yards, then turn left.then
    Bring Rainbow Flags and banners- suggest linking to lgbt ‘health’ and the NHS

    1. Yes, everyone, get along to that demo! Canterbury is a lovely place for a day out. There are plenty of pubs too, full of young people. Provided you don’t behave outrageously, you’ll have no problem but the authorities, including the Anglican Church, ensure that Canterbury is not a very gay city.

  31. It was only a matter of time before he picked up where the last one left off wasn’t it?

    We don’t care what your ridiculous book says, it is irrelevant, fictitious and stupid. We don’t need a book to live our lives by.

  32. joshua raffell 8 Mar 2013, 5:29pm

    In other documents, he warns of a crisis for the Church of England due to financial pressure and dropping numbers, and even describes a “serious questions of viability” in the next ten years.
    out of date and out of touch…

  33. Hear we go again: ‘this book written four thousand years by some crazy shepherds says this, this and this…’. F*ck off already. F*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off f*ck off

  34. the early church practised same sex unions. Is he suggesting there was something the early church missed or can he sit back down, be quiet not interupt the voice of Jesus. He has no voice over Jesus and it is quite offensive to use such heathen language over a man who is my saviour. I might get angry at this offence. He means to interfere with the solemn vows I take with my husband before of marrying Christ. So beware. Step on toes and see what you get ArcheWelby

  35. These are all old quotes. I’d like to do the charitable (Christian?) thing and give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually issues a new comment or opinion.

    1. Yes, G, be charitable, but be totally assured that charity existed among human beings long long before Xians decided they would try and monopolise ownership of it as an emblem with which to embellish their cult.

    2. Paul Essex/London 9 Mar 2013, 3:42am

      So would I but until he says so, the fact that he is now the head of one of the most powerful religious organisations in the world makes me feel rather uneasy/disappointed. Even if he has changed his views, given the immense backlash he’ll get from now far greater part of the Anglican Church in Africa I very much doubt he’ll be shouting such proclamations from the steeple roof tops.

  36. Even if you believe Jesus existed – which I doubt – his message was allegedly one of ‘Love Each Other’. If they are truely ‘christians’, why do they ignore his central tenet and concentrate on the hatreds? Weird … and not a little ‘creepy’ if you ask me. As has been clearly demonstrated recently by the delightful Cardinal O’Brien, the rantings of clergy who are obsessed with homosexuality should be consumed with a LARGE pinch of salt ….

  37. The article tells us that Mr. Welby once wrote: “No doubt, no journalist drinks anything but water, and all have difficulty even spelling marijuana. Oh please!”

    Now that use of “Oh, please!”, that’s very very camp, is it not?

    1. Yes

  38. Well then, didn’t take him very long to expose his true colours after saying he was going to “engage on LGBT issues”. No one is surprised.

  39. The Bible is clear about a lot of things. He, however, ignores a lot of them. Typical.

    Secondly, why must religious people impose their religion on others? We don’t want it! Don’t have gay sex! Don’t get gay married! But leave other people alone! Keep your crazy supernatural beliefs to yourself!

  40. Fantastic news!

    The BBC has seen evidence that bishops in the Catholic Church in Scotland knew of 20 allegations of child sex abuse by priests between 1985 and 1995.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473

  41. barriejohn 8 Mar 2013, 6:10pm

    Of course the Bible is clear that gay sex is wrong – it was written between fifteen hundred and two thousand years ago by people who were homophobic and misogynistic. Why would any intelligent person today look to such a book for moral guidance?

    1. barriejohn 8 Mar 2013, 6:39pm

      I meant to say “between fifteen hundred and two thousand five hundred years ago”, although I do realize that it incorporates some earlier writings!

  42. “Now more alleged victims are coming forward after Cardinal Keith O’Brien admitted sexual misconduct after resigning as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh following allegations by other priests.

    He does not face any criminal allegations, or any claims of child abuse.

    Lawyer Cameron Fyfe said: “I’m acting for six clients who allege abuse, two of whom have come forward just in the last few weeks since the Keith O’Brien scandal.”

    Read all about it!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473

  43. It looks like there IS going to be a legal investigation into Mr. O’Brien and many others!!!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473

    “Now more alleged victims are coming forward after Cardinal Keith O’Brien admitted sexual misconduct after resigning as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh following allegations by other priests.

    He does not face any criminal allegations, or any claims of child abuse.

    Lawyer Cameron Fyfe said: “I’m acting for six clients who allege abuse, two of whom have come forward just in the last few weeks since the Keith O’Brien scandal.

    “Some of them go back to the early 1980s, but two of them have been within the last 10 years.””

    1. I am puzzled as to what this (or the other BBC links you kept posting to this page) has to do with the past statements made by the new leader of the Church of England.

  44. GulliverUK 8 Mar 2013, 6:15pm

    Not sure Welby is what you would call an “academic” scholar. In contrast, in 1989 Williams said;

    “…..a church which accepts the legitimacy of contraception, the absolute condemnation of same-sex relations of intimacy must rely either on an abstract fundamentalist deployment of a number of very ambiguous texts, or on a problematic and non-scriptural theory about natural complementary, applied narrowly and crudely to physical differentiation without regard to psychological structures.”

    So, they have a real problem. He says it is clear, Williams says it is anything but clear. Considering no modern version of the Bible correctly translates Lev 18 22 then I know who I believe.

  45. George Broadhead 8 Mar 2013, 6:17pm

    truth refers to “a HUGE majority of non-believers”.

    I wish that this were true. However, the latest Census figure puts the non-religious in the UK at 25% and this is steadily increasing. Also, it is exceeded by the latest Brtish Social Atttudes survey and much greater than all the minority faiths put together.

    Much to the disappointment of LGBT Christians, I’m sure, Justin Welby is showing himself to be no more gay friendly than his predessor Rowan Williams turned out to be.

  46. The vast majority of the UK couldn’t care less what the Archbigot has to say about ANYTHING. Though, he is feeding the hatred of Ugandan Anglicans and he knows what they plan to do. He has blood on his hands.

  47. The bible contains many assertions some divinely inspired others that merely reflect the mindset of the time. The Archbishop claims that there is a concensus on which is which but this is not so. He should be more circumspect on claiming an authority he does not possess esp when using it to condemn people. Maybe he should come out more!

    1. barriejohn 8 Mar 2013, 6:36pm

      Have you an example of a Biblical statement that is divinely inspired? How does one go about identifying such a thing?

      1. Yes, what precisely does “divinely inspired” mean!

        “Divinely inspired” is a rather camp phrase you trot out while fluttering the whites of your eyes!

        It’s crap! It’s a poetic way of trying to claim “A Big Invisible Pixie in the Sky said it, or wrote it, or sang it, or sent it through the airwaves like a telepathic message from the Twilight Zone!”

  48. And rationality and reason is clear that the Bible and Christianity is wrong.
    I guess that brings us to an impasse.
    However, unlike you, I’m not making a claim. For a claim to be taken seriously, you need to supply evidence for your claims.
    Get back to us when you have such evidence, and then we’ll consider taking your wild fantasy seriously.

  49. He is one weird looking dude.
    He belongs on the cast of Star Wars, as some little ugly alien thing.

    1. Mike, PinkNews journalists have long been fond of posting the most horrible pictures they can find of homophobes. I can understand why, of course. But deluded Mr. Welby and his lady-waife are actually a very well-heeled and well-toothed couple! See the photo below:

      http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3707165.ece

      1. No – sorry they look like biters/bitters. Religion is the career path for those too mean or too ugly for politics

      2. Joseph oz 9 Mar 2013, 2:01am

        Nice pic… False teeth or a miracle of modern dentistry?

  50. GulliverUK 8 Mar 2013, 6:50pm

    Love the way he “signalled that he was willing to engage on LGBT issues.”. With a piss-poor attitude like his, I don’t think a lot of straight people will want to waste their time engaging with him, let alone any of us.

    He’s totally the wrong person for the job – he’s just going to make things much worse, he will marginalise the church much further, much quicker, the disestablishment will be assured as he won’t be able to work with governments either.

    There is a financial crisis in the church, but even worse for him hardly anybody goes to church, the numbers having been falling for many decades, and not many people get married in church — and have you seen how they’ve put up their prices in the last few years, by astronomical amounts.

    He’ll find no friends in the gay community with abrasive talk like this. I’ve taken a fairly instant dislike to him given what he’s said.

  51. George Carey rides again?
    Sorry, I was trying to get what the Bible was clear about. I’m still trying to find anything in it about state religions headed by a hereditary monarch following somebody’s trying to get rid of a superfluous wife. Has anybody else found anything?

    Frankly I’d vote for almost anyone who would disestablsih these w@@kers.

    1. Thanks – so would I

  52. “Dr Welby signalled that he was willing to engage on LGBT issues.”

    How generous of him. Too bad that no one gives a shit about what he thinks.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Mar 2013, 9:10pm

      The thing is, there is nothing with which to engage us. He’s made it quite clear with his views of gay parenting. He’s delusional at best. I’d like to see StonewallUK issue an official statement condeming him and putting him on notice that we are not in the slightest bit concerned about having any dialogue. Exactly to what end would it serve anyway? He opposes equal marriage, sex outside of marriage, gays adopting, gay CP’d clergy indulging in sexual activity. He’s rather summed it all up for us hasn’t he? No deal, Welby, don’t bother. We have nothing in common with you.

      1. Well said, exactly my thoughts.

  53. Rohan Leach 8 Mar 2013, 8:21pm

    Fuqtaad!

  54. Robert in S. Kensington 8 Mar 2013, 8:29pm

    I suppose in a way, Welby’s selection might just be a blessing in disguise. The current chronic low attendance rate in the CoE I suspect will dwindle to an even lower level. That’s a good thing because it will make life for the hierarchy very difficult to justify some churches remaining open and will be an imposition on the financial upkeep of them. Bring it on I say, keep on spewing your venom Welby.

    1. Dave North 9 Mar 2013, 2:11am

      What do you call a successful operational church.

      “STARBUCKS”

  55. I note that in the article there are no biblical proofs for what the ABC has said in this article

  56. Also in 1885 the Archbishop of Canterbury also had the books of the Apocrypha removed from the King James bible. This because he deemed that these books were not inspired of God.

  57. johnny33308 8 Mar 2013, 10:57pm

    Well, then show us chapter and verse in the ‘bible’ where it states that LGBT people cannot get married or adopt. Chapter and verse, please….we all know there is no such statement in their ‘bible’….

  58. Har Davids 8 Mar 2013, 11:03pm

    Leviticus 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

    21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken

    The Bible seems pretty clear about people with ‘blemished’ eyes, I guess those of us who wear glasses. How did this man ever become a bishop? He must be some kind of abomination.

  59. The guy sounds like a narrow minded vicar from the back of beyond. He sounds like he had nothing better to do with his time than read trashy articles in the Daily Mail. Honestly for someone who is supposed to be a great scholar his comments are on a par with those who comment in the Daily Mail.

    My advice to Welby is to f*ck off and keep his bigotted christian opinions to himself in future.

  60. The Bible is clear about not eating a cheeseburger, in commanding parents to murder insolent children and about not judging others. If Dr Welby follows ALL of his Bible, rather than just the bits he cherry picks, then he might have some authority on how to live a Biblical life. Until then, he’s just a hypocrite selecting from the scripture where it suits to support his bigotry.

  61. Spanner1960 9 Mar 2013, 1:27am

    Prick.

  62. Oh good, and there was me thinking (for the whole of five minutes) that maybe the new chief of the church may not be a total muppet…..

    Yawn, broken record.

  63. Self delision, Dr Welby is a luxuury you cannot afford to have. Your hatred of the LGBT Community will eventually destroy you as it has destroyed others. Your ignorance of the Bible is alarming. I therefore believe that your appointment to Archbishop of Canterbury is purely political.

    1. Of Welby
      “Your ignorance of the Bible is alarming.”
      Yes, it really is shocking that someone so clearly incapable of understanding the context and meaning of scripture can rise in the ranks as this unpleasant chump has,

  64. From what I’d read I’d thought Welby might have had a modicum of intelligence, but from this article he seems to have difficulty in understanding the simple difference between ”peoples’ sexuality can change” and “people can change their sexuality”. My eyesight has changed over the years, but that doesn’t mean I’ve changed it…..Plus his ignorance of the ambiguous meanings and translations of the biblical texts referring to sexuality seems to be breathtaking…..Another bigot elevated to the top of the Church…

  65. Carl ROwlands 9 Mar 2013, 9:38am

    No surprises here! Certainly nailed his flag to the mast on this one! Presumably before humans developed the skills of language, reading and writing they only had sexual intercourse with life time partners………………………

  66. Jock S. Trap 9 Mar 2013, 11:10am

    Oh get a life, Welby!

    The Bible is clear that eating selfish is supposed to be an abomination, yet somehow not anymore.

    The Bible is clear about killing naughty children, yet in a civilised world that is not acceptable.

    Talking about civilised, prehaps the religious extremists would care to join us…. no? thought not.

    Civilised Society is a threat to religion clearly. They want to dictate, then accuse governments of being the same when they democratically vote for things like marriage equality and adoption.

    Religion is hate as far as I’m concerned and serves no place in a decent, Civilised society.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 9 Mar 2013, 2:40pm

      I agree, Jock. The thing is, those moderates and progressives in whatever religious cult they may be a member of somehow NEVER go after the bigots in their midst. They allow them by their silence to give all religious people a very bad name, as if the bigots and hypocrites are the majority. None of the supportive clergy dare challenge them for fear of reprisals but they stand idly by as we and equal marriage vilified ad nauseum. It’s not good enough and we shouldn’t have to be treated this way. We pay taxes, some of us fight and die for our country and this small minority of religious big mouths get away with the hate and demonisation of gay people and who I might add, get far more media coverage than we do.

    2. Mr Brain's meatballs 9 Mar 2013, 9:54pm

      Thicko. The selfish(sic) law was for the Israelites only. Most idiots that quote the bible for their deviant ends have never read it. Am I right or am I right?

      1. Am I right or am I right?

        Neither.

        Though please do instruct our polyester-cotton-garbed friends over the pond that all the Leviticus laws only apply to Israelites. It seems large numbers of them are unaware of that.

  67. Hmmm…don’t recall anything in the Bible about gay sex and adoption being wrong but I do remember something about it being more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle. Wonder if wealthy, ex-oilman Dr Welby skipped that bit…?

  68. I have decided I am going to live my life off the Holy Book called Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets. Dumbledore is God, Voldemort is the Devil. See this is how all this nonsense forms, don’t give extreme Bible preachers the chance by listening to them, just go out and enjoy life.

  69. Honouramongthieves 9 Mar 2013, 9:08pm

    From the article in the Telegraph yesterday: “Justin Welby, the new head of the Church of England, supported a ban on adoption by gay couples when he was a parish priest, a new biography says.

    The biography by the Rev. Andrew Atherstone of Oxford University quotes letters Welby sent to his parish at Southam, Warwickshire, during the 1990s. ”

    So this was the 1990s not today… Justin Welby has already said that he will ‘carefully and prayerfully’ consider his response to the issue of same-sex marriage. None of us think the same things today that we thought in the 1990s – this article does not make this clear.

  70. Go back to working with oil, you slimy rancid old dose of itchyosis.

  71. Mr Brains meatballs 9 Mar 2013, 9:50pm

    He actually looks a bit gay himself this Bishop. You know the look, insipid, pale drawn, wimpy.
    He may be a closet case himself. I wonder if he can tell me what benefits homosexuality brings to the wider society. It certainly ain’t procreation!

    1. You advocate procreation in a world that’s seriously overpopulated, do you? I think Mr Brains mush might be a more suitable moniker for you, my pet.

      (I believe Welby has 5 children, by the way.)

    2. You vile human being – take a pill and do us all a favour

    3. I’m not sure if I’m more offended by your idiotic comment or your bad use of basic English. Another day, another uneducated, small minded person.

  72. Dex (@MrDexB) 9 Mar 2013, 9:53pm

    Hello? People back then made gay sex illegal. It’s in no way to do with God thinking gay sex is wrong. And also it was probably re-written by some bigot twat!

  73. We’ve just got rid of closet case……

  74. I don’t ever see a passage in the bile that says gay sex or gay marrige is wrong,
    It’s youthe Archbishop who has a problem with it.

  75. Actually the bible is against sexual religious homosexual and heterosexual acts, not consenting acts. Religious acts were deemed as forced sex/rape. Sorry mr bishop man, youre not a bishop, but a phony of a man.

  76. Leigh Hamilton 12 Mar 2013, 4:13pm

    Really now, archbish? Which version of the Bible do you mean? There’s quite a few to choose from, and they seem to contradict each other a lot, so it’s important we know exactly which version is the TRUE version. Speaking of truth, I’d like some evidence to show your interpretation of the Bible is the only accurate one. Quickly now, time’s a-tickin’.

  77. Just as a matter of interest, If God really doesnt want us, why are all men designed to get so much pleasure from anal sex (prostate location and even the fact it is pleasurable for this to be massaged) and why are things in exactly the right place for anal sex to be easily possible.

    Man has had no part in how we are physically made, regardless of belief, they cannot say those things are our choice.

  78. “The bible is ‘clear’ that gay sex and adoption are wrong”

    The Bible mentioned gay adoption? I’d like to see this, chapter and verse if you please, Mr. Welby

  79. Derek Williams 5 Jul 2013, 7:38pm

    The Bible is clear on many things, which religious hypocrites don’t obey:

    DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or mother… then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones.
    DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21 A woman not a virgin on her wedding night must be executed
    DEUTERONOMY 22:22 If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, both adulterers be stoned to death
    DEUTERONOMY 22:28-29 A virgin who is raped must marry her rapist.
    MARK 12:18-27 If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered to have intercourse with each of his brothers until she bears her deceased husband a male heir
    LEVITICUS 18:19 A married couple who have sexual intercourse during a woman’s period shall both be executed.
    LEVITICUS 20:9 anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.
    NUMBERS 15:32,35 Death by stoning for anyone who works on the Sabbath

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