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Poland: Ex-president Lech Walesa defends anti-gay remarks by saying 95% agree with him

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  1. 95% of all freaks support him, the other 5% want us dead. He should be crucified until he apologises or dies.

    1. “crucified until he apologises”? :-) Have never heard of such an extreme form of torture as that before, Sevrin! Sounds rather excessive, don’t ya think?

  2. My goodness! I remember when Lech Walesa was the world’s hero, of a kind like Nelson Mandela but long preceding Nelson Mandela, and we were all running round with badges on our lapels showing our support for his Solidarity! movement.

    This Catholic ex-electrician and trade-union organizer needs to read up on sexual diversity!

    1. … feted by the Queen if memory serves me rightly. We make a habit of lauding dictators and despots. We did the same with Nicolae Ceaușescu of Romania shortly before his own people took hinm out. He too believed 95% of the population agreed with him ….

      1. ColinJones 6 Mar 2013, 2:43pm

        We should examine our heroes more carefully.I believe the late Hugo Chavez,president of Venezuala, was a supporter of gay rights but he seemed to get demonised in the West while opportunists like Walesa and Boris Yeltsin are lionised. Even Robert Mugabe was once considered a hero!!

      2. The State Visit of Ceasescu to the UK was in 1978 and he was killed during the revolution in 1989. With eleven years seperating them the second event can’t really be described as following ‘shortly’ after the first.

        While he may have been ‘feted’ by the Queen, it is the UK Government, not the Queen who decide which foreign leaders are invited to visit the UK in an official capacity and what level of welcome is extended to them.

        This is usually directly related to how important they are to us in terms of winning trade deals or use of their strategic resources. Clearly in 1978 the government must have considered Ceasecu important as he was hosted at Buckingham Palace.

        Also, Walesa was elected so cannot be classed as a dictator like Ceasescu. However, with these comments he has shown a particularly unpleasant side to himself which needs a firm smackdown.

  3. Which is probably why he was dumped from office by his own country after about five minutes in charge.

  4. He is an ignorant, old bigot, who, fortunately, will be dead in the not too distant future. He typifies the ignorance, nay evil, purveyed by the Roman Catholic Church in Poland.

    1. eddyminuscapital 6 Mar 2013, 1:23pm

      Oh, how sad! He used to be the hero of us all, and now in new, “democratic”, and flourishing Poland he’s clearly a dinosaur when it comes to sexual politics.

  5. Wow a living dinosaur, a bigotasaurus.

  6. How little you remember of your peoples past Mr Walesa!
    Untermensch (German for sub-human; is a term that became infamous when the Nazi racial ideology used it to describe “inferior people” including Poles

    1. casparthegood 6 Mar 2013, 1:45pm

      If you study the history of that period many Poles regarded Jews ,Gays ,Gypsies etc as criminals or worse. Some who escaped from the death camps were in fact handed back by local Poles. All good catholics needless to say. Walesa learnt nothing from his country’s history.

  7. Andrzej Werbiński 6 Mar 2013, 1:35pm

    Lech Wałęsa is really idiot.All people in Poland hate him,only in West European coutries and USA everybody say;”he is a hero”

  8. Robert in S. Kensington 6 Mar 2013, 1:40pm

    Jaroslaw Walesa is his son (one of 8 children), a deputy in the European Parliament representing the Civic Platform party of Prime Minister Donald Tusk, said in an interview with Radio RMF on March 4th… “I was shocked to hear what he said about homosexuals, I disagree with him and will need talk to him.”

    Good luck with that although I doubt if will have any impact.

  9. Without a shred of evidence, politicians regularly use ficticious figures plucked from the air as a means of justifying their bigotry. Anne Widdicombe does it all the time.

    1. This particular rhetorical tactic is a logical fallacy called “Argumentum ad populum”, otherwise known as “Appeal to the masses” or “Appeal to the majority”.

      It’s a favorite of politicians the world over.

  10. Equality is Still a long way off while assholes who we once thought of as hero’s of the people spew this kind of blind bigotry -

  11. Hatred or pure ignorance? I’d guess probably a bit of both, judging by his ‘flaunting’ remark. Of course, by ‘flaunt’ homophobes really mean ‘exist’ or simply live our daily lives like them.

    We can’t deal with the hate so quickly but maybe Walesa should be educated about the truth about LGBT people, and then he’d realise that the ‘supportive letters’ he got were inaccurate, misguided or plain idiotic.

  12. That There Other David 6 Mar 2013, 2:44pm

    Another variant of the “silent majority agree with me” argument that bigoted idiots always fall back on when pulled up for their idiocy. He’s only made himself look a bigger fool.

  13. Big surprise that 95% of the people in a 95% majority in a traditionally homophobic, racist, Christianist country support his statement that the 5% minority should sit down, shut up and do as they’re told.

    It’s sad that Lech has chosen to throw away his respected and admired place in history in exchange for a place on the pages of history books with other infamous bigots.

    His son is already ashamed and his grandchildren and great grandchildren will be horrified!

  14. in the latest election in poland, lech walesa did’t even get 5 % of the votes. in poland he is regarded as a complete has been with limited intellectual capacities.

    1. Harlequin 6 Mar 2013, 4:46pm

      And yet he fails to equally boast that over 95% of people don’t agree with him having any political power? ;)

  15. David Josef 6 Mar 2013, 3:10pm

    He has become his arch nemesis Wojciech Jaruzelski. Where is your Solidarnosc now?
    He is nothing but a dried pea in a biscuit tin, rattle it & you get a noise.
    Take the Nobel Peace prize off him, & send him back to the shipyards he worked hat with the same conditions he had before the changes were made.
    I have no time for old bigots who forget where they came from & the struggle extends to our brothers & sisters around the world.

  16. Ah the old democratic argument rears it’s ugly head again.
    Democracy is about the wants of the many and equality is about the needs of the minority, the two don’t fit together that easily.
    When using a democratic process to advance equality when it comes to having a position the majority of individuals will ask ‘Whats in it for me’?
    However with education of the benefits of equality and particularly the fairness that comes with that people’s attitudes do change. Poland is decades behind with the understanding of equality.
    Ask the question about equal rights in those countries who have enjoyed democracy and freedom for as long as we have and you will find a much different response in terms of opposition to such opinions.
    There is something quite tragic when Nobel Peace prize winners think it’s ok to treat minorities in a detrimental manner based on there own outdated bigoted views.

  17. Tom Cotner 6 Mar 2013, 3:40pm

    At the risk of painting too many people with a broad brush (which I do not intend to do) does anyone wonder why Polish jokes were so popular in the US several years ago.
    Fortunately, they are no more – but in this case, I think one or two might be appropriate – that is, if I could remember any.

  18. Unfortunately, Poland is full of catholic nutters just like Walesa. Next year there will be more from Romania and Bulgaria so expect this kind of homophobia to be on the increase. It’s going to be an uphill struggle.

  19. Janet Lameck 6 Mar 2013, 3:58pm

    WHO? 95% of bigot like you?

  20. Sorry for once again proving the Godwin’s law on the Internet but by the same logic Adolph Hitler and the Nazis were right at persecuting, torturing and killing the Jews – and oh, look how ironically nice, the Poles and invading Poland too – because also around 95% of the Germans agreed with him. And let’s not even talk about all the times the Russians, the Prussians, the Swedes and all the kingdoms around Poland invaded the country, after all invading Poland is totally justified since large percentages of the people of these invading nations agreed with their leaders.

    1. Harlequin 6 Mar 2013, 5:02pm

      I don’t think many Germans agreed with the Holocaust (during which not just Jews but many other groups, including homosexuals, were routinely murdered) once they discovered it was happening. Indeed, the Nazis didn’t hold a majority of the popular vote when they seized power and never held free, multi-party elections during their rule. That aside, however, the irony you highlight is still valid.

  21. Cut from the same cloth as the Polish Pope.
    Both dopes.

  22. I would guess that most, if not all of us are much happier than he’ll ever be. Our lives appear to be getting better and better, whereas his life has descended into a cesspit of anger, bitterness and very possibly self-loathing (who does that remind us of?).

  23. Art Pearson 6 Mar 2013, 7:53pm

    Well, if only two of his friends agree and he only has three friends, then 95% agree eh. It’s all relative. I seriously doubt that 95% of all Poles agree in fact, probably the opposite.

  24. “The lord God created woman and man and told then to reproduce. If everyone followed the example of homosexuals, who would pay for our retirement?”

    Gay people pay for schools, maternity care, child benefit, free dentistry for kids, social services adoption services, and to remove the graffiti and repair the vandalism of kids.

    So stuff that where the sun don’t shine, you reactionary bigot.

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