So the Church has been accused of hypocrisy, but only over this latest scandal?
Give me a break.
It has been going on a very long time – Chaucer was exposing the abundant hypocrisy of churchmen as long ago as 1475, in The Canterbury Tales. Not much has changed really.
Correction – the MSP begins his statement at 14m0s, and says he was told it was a deliberate tactic for publicity, by advisors to the Bishops’ Conference; his complaint was that it was self defeating for their side of the debate.
NB – This is newsworthy – it has emerged that it was a deliberate tactic by the Church that spokesmen like the Cardinal use virulently homophobic and inflammatory language – in order to get headlines, fearing that otherwise they would be ignored.
This is stated by a panellist in the following STV discussion, at about 15m40s:
My question is, who advised them to do this, and was it anything to do with the Vatican spin doctors at Catholic Voices? I think they should be asked if they played any role.
(sorry about the duplication – computer probs)
The ‘moral authority’ of the church has been dealt a serious blow? It’s been pretty f*cked for years!
no, no, no… it’s only the moral authority of the church IN SCOTLAND.
otherwise its moral authority everywhere else is impeccable and pure as the driven snow.
I think we here in Ireland would have some very salient views on church “moral authority” How many countries besides Ireland have closed their Embassy to the Vatican because of its vile clerical paedophilia and sadism toward our children for the last 1000 years….. and the worst is yet to come as the sudden resignation of the ex naz1 Joe Ratzinger would indicate. Ireland is about to sue the Vatican for €45 billion damages in the Hague and are only waiting for the new pope to be elected… It is expected that several other countries including the United States and Australia will join Ireland in a class action and the claim could reach €3 trillion….. Bad Times ahead for the Roman Cult it would seem.
“The events around Cardinal O’Brien, his resignation, his statement of yesterday, have left us all very sad for everyone involved…”
Yes, all the LGBT people persecuted and assaulted by the catholic criminal conspiracy feel VERY sad. If only there was a word to describe how they really felt…
Overwhelming schadenfreude. That’s the term you were looking for.
Shouldn’t he say it was done by the homophobia of the church and the evil stuff they have hidden and protecting evil hate preachers?
Lets get this clear, they arent softening on homosexuality at all, if anything they will blame it as temptation that needs to be overcome.
Of course, and the anti equal marriage morons will spin it and try to insinuate O”Brien’s behaviour as another reason to oppose it. .
Yes, their tails are between their legs and the dogs are merely licking their wounds.
well, at least until they get their courage up again and start sniffing hindquarters again…
And yet they will remain hypocritical!
A month or two from now, Tartaglia, Smith, Nichols will be banging on about the grotesque nature of equal marriage as if the events of the past week or two were a drop in the ocean, a slight hiccup. The likes of cretins such as Anne Widdecombe, all of that C4M hate group will emerge from their caves and from under their rocks to rant and it will be business as usual. Bash the gays, bash equal marriage.
I’m afraid I think you’re right. That’s the great hypocrisy of religion – shut up and do as we tell you, not as we do.
They’ll use this to bang on about ‘intrinsic moral disorder’ and all their other unfounded nonsense, completely ignoring anyone who says otherwise.
Brings a tear to my eye and bile to my throat.
Yes, indeed, “Shut up and do as we tell you, not as we do, and do not ever dare to be ANGRY! You must love! You must only be full of love!”
It’s exactly the sort of shrewd psychology used by the Church of Scientology, the Moonies, and every other cult/religion on this planet to control “the faithful”.
I lost it at “do not ever dare to be ANGRY! You must love! You must only be full of love!” :-D
I wish Pink News would stop asserting that Tartaglia ‘apologised’ to the late David Cairns’ family for his idiotic and offensive remarks. He did not.
Instead he used the politicians’ weasel formula of issuing a non-apology apology claiming that his remarks had “been taken out of context” (they hadn’t), before going on to say that he was sorry IF anyone had been offended. He didn’t retract a word.
In case he now wants to apologise albeit belatedly I offer this draft;
“I am sincerely sorry for my deeply offensive and ill founded comments linking David Cairns’ death with his sexual orientation. What I said was foolish and uneducated. I have written to express my sincere regrets to his partner.”
Morals and Church do not fit in the same sentence!
Still waiting for the apology to all LGBT people your lot have insulted, belittled, derided and discriminated against..
Nope. Thought not!
Your only apologising for getting caught out.
Once more the RC church sees itself as the victim and views the issue only in terms of the effect it has upon the organisation and not on those who have had their lives damaged by its teachings and actions.
I just can’t help but think every homophobic member of the Catholic clergy is gay now.
Better pipe down Philip in case someone outs you as well…
Oh, come the time when the fabulous technology of today has moved on to such a degree that one will be able to view Mr. Tartaglia’s secret fantasies as he sees himself off to sleep each night!
Do we really believe Mr. Tartaglia goes to sleep each night with an image of the Blessed Virgin Mary in his mind’s eye? Like hell. He’s a sexual being like any other and the hypocrisy of clerics such as him, in all sorts of Xian and other churches, is just disgusting.
For those of us in Scotland expecting the Catholic Church in Scotland to sort itself from within is pie in the sky.
Archbishop Tartaglia of Glasgow has ‘previous’.
For those of us in Scotland expecting the Scottish Catholic Church to change itself from within will be waiting a long time.
Archbishop Tartaglia of Glasgow who temporarily assumed O’Brien’s duties last week has ‘previous’.
What’s more worrying than Tartaglia temporarily taking over the Archdiocese of St. Andrew’s & Edinburgh, is that he became the leader of the catholic church in Scotland the day O’Brien resigned, as he is the most senior catholic clergyman.
This was expected as Tartaglia took over the presidency of the Bishops Conference of Scotland last year in preparation for him taking over leadership of the catholic church when O’Brien retired. This whole business just led to O’Brien resigning a bit earlier than expected.
Tartaglia will remain the leader of the catholic church in Scotland, as the most senior Archbishop, even when a new Archbishop of St. Andrew’s & Edinburgh is appointed.
The church in Scotland will continue to be homophobic with Tartaglia in charge.
Bennie, I see that in 2010 Mr. Tartaglia wrote to David Cameron to insist that . . .
“the Catholic Church will not register civil partnerships nor celebrate same-sex unions: not now, not in the future, not ever, no matter what legislation or regulations your government enacts or endorses.”.
I see also that Mr. Tartaglia has said that a Scottish government which backs same-sex marriage did not deserve the support of the Catholic community.
But worst of all I see that in response to the news that Alex Salmond plans to legalise gay ‘marriage’ Mr. Tartaglia said that he could see that his own “defence of marriage” could result in him being imprisoned at some stage! He said:
“I could see myself going to jail possibly at some point over the next 15 years, if God spares me, if I speak out.”
So we have every reason to rest assured that Mr. Tartaglia is as much our self-proclaimed enemy as the disgraced ex-cardinal was! In fact he’s willing to be something of a martyr on this issue.
Yes, Eddy, I’m very well aware of Tartaglia is like and what he has said in the past. If anything, he’ll get worse now he’s the leader of the catholic church in Scotland – much like O’Brien did in fact. If anyone thinks the catholic church in Scotland will become less homophobic, then they’ll be very disappointed.
Indeed. Some of us, certainly myself, have had a bit of a learning curve in the past few days. As soon as it was heard that Tartaglia was in control those of us, including journalists, who didn’t know a thing about him hoped that there might be sea-change!
Unfortunately not, Eddy! It will be business as usual for the catholic church up here in Scotland with Tartaglia in charge. Not that he’s really in charge, though, he’s simply carrying out the bidding of the vatican.
I suppose I’m just more familiar with him because stuff is sometimes reported in the Scottish news which isn’t always reported in other parts of the UK.
As I say, his taking over the leadership of the church was expected anyway, even if this business with O’Brien hadn’t occured. O’Brien would have had to tender his resignation upon reaching 75, so Tartaglia was appointed Archbishop of Glasgow last year with the knowledge that he’d be taking over the leadership of the church. O’Brien’s resignation has just speede it up a little.
“The events around Cardinal O’Brien, his resignation, his statement of yesterday, have left us all very sad for everyone involved and for the Church. ”
What about everyone else? Sod those who are in the church, you brought it on yourselves. What about the victims of that evil man who you defended?
Once again they just don’t get it as they are too high up in their ivory towers.
Oh gimme a break Tartaglia – the church has been doing hypocrisy for milenniae! Ever since some bloke decided he deserved a pointy hat , an elevated seat with a cushion, a nice frock and slippers along with the ignorant adulation of the masses (and their money). Its the sheer naked bigotry and hatred we cant stomach. and talking of stomachs by the way Phyllis you don’t get to be that fat by just dining on wafers and communion wine (although choirboy cum’s high in protein and calories). Gluttony is a mortal sin in the eyes of Catholic Church .honey that ain’t “glandular”
I thought the same when I saw his photo on the Wikipedia entry! This one feeds his face and no doubt, dare I say it, belches and farts like a pig in shit! ;-)
What an ugly bruiser he looks!
All this concern from the church for the damage done to the church … what about the men who were abused?
Sorry, this was a duplication from the post near the top:
This is stated by a panellist in the following STV discussion, after about 14m0s:
Mr. Tartaglia said “I think there is little doubt that the credibility and moral authority of the Catholic Church in Scotland has been dealt a serious blow” and I suspect that this Catholic leader, like all self-aggrandised and arrogant Catholic leaders really means:
“The credibility and moral authority of the Catholic Church in Scotland stands superior to all, as it always has done and always will do, however it has been dealt a serious blow.”
Mr. Tartaglia does not mean that the Catholic Church in Scotland has LOST its credibility and moral authority – although, of course, in the eyes of any rational person it has.
No Mr Tartaglia, the Catholic Church has been damaged by being the Catholic Church and having never changed in ideologies and attitudes towards the society since the Middle Ages while the rest of the world changed completely.
Looking at Archbishop Tartaglia’s picture does the word n*nce come to mind?
What immediately came to my mind was PieFace, as in, ‘who ate ‘em all’.
Not missed many dinners, that’s for sure.
He’ll not make old bones, that’s for sure.
I’m no Rubens, but that is taking the pi$$.
‘The Catholic Church has been damaged by hypocrisy’
No. Really? Guess who was the last to admit that? Yep, the Catholics.
Really, Archbishop?? Hypocrisy in the RC Church? Noooooo…. way!
Pray tell Archbishop… I won’t speak a word! My lips are sealed. Let’s call it a confession.
O.k. confess the sins of the Church, father.