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Fifth male priest alleges Cardinal O’Brien of ‘inappropriate behaviour’

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  1. Well done, Fifth-Priest!

    Now come on, if you’re there, Priest No. 6, Priest No. 7, and Priest 8!

    1. Cardinal Fang 1 Mar 2013, 3:11pm

      The allegations are beginning to sound like a reign of terror, 2nd only to what might have been going on in Rome.

    2. Interestingly, although this is the fifth allegation to be reported, it was apparently the first to be made, back in October last year – one month before O’Brien tendered his resignation.

      People defending O’Brien have pointed out that he tendered it last Ocotber, months before the claims were made, but now we find out the first claim was made beforehand!

      I realise he’d have had to tender his resignation anyway, as he was approaching his 75th birthday, but it seems that this has hurried it all along, obviously trying to get him retired and out of the way before it all became public. Unfortunately for the catholic church, it didn’t turn out like that!

      1. Sorry, I should have said O’Brien tendered his resignation in November last years, not October.

    3. casparthegood 1 Mar 2013, 9:50pm

      Form an orderly queue and no pushing at the back please. (no particular pun intended but…)

    4. There have been many many highly-placed homosexual Catholic clerics who have supported the Catholic Church’s condemnation of homosexual people, thereby causing homosexual people, particularly of course homosexual people in their care or in their parishes, untold suffering.

      One such is the disgraced Irish ex-bishop John Magee who was private secretary to Pope Paul VI from 1974 until the pontiff’s death in 1978, as well as private secretary to Pope John Paul I and, for some time, private secretary to Pope John Paul II. The Cloyne Report, published on 13 July 2011, found that the former bishop, Magee, had falsely told the Irish Government in a previous inquiry that the diocese was reporting ALL allegations of clerical child sexual abuse to the civil authorities. However, the Cloyne Report found that the greatest flaw in the Magee’s diocese was its repeated failure to report all complaints. The Cloyne Report found that NINE allegations out of 15 were not passed on to the Irish police.

    5. (continued from the above message)

      During the period when disgraced ex-bishop John McGee was private secretary to three popes in Rome (and many thought that he was on his way to becoming the world’s first Irish pope), he was known to be enjoying a number of sexual relationships with carefully selected young men in the city. I know for a fact that each week he met a young seminarian solely for the purpose of them having sex. The sex was, I believe, completely consensual, Magee enjoying its physical pleasures, the young seminarian enjoying both the physical pleasures and the possibility of rapid advancement within the church. Magee’s involvement was, of course, outrageously and unforgivably hypocritical.

      http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-find-missing-bishop-magee-26763474.html

  2. Can we stop saying ‘male priest’ in these articles. What other sort of priest would it be?

    1. DCBrighton 1 Mar 2013, 1:27pm

      I agree, it’s a bit silly. Like saying a green cucumber. We all know priests are male and we all know cucumbers are green. I can understand why PN would want to emphasise on MALE although it’s really not needed.

    2. carol uren 1 Mar 2013, 2:53pm

      There are women priests in the Anglican church, but sadly, not yet any female bishops.

      1. There are female bishops in the Anglican church. You just have to go to Canada, the US, Australia or New Zealand to find them.

    3. Cardinal Fang 1 Mar 2013, 3:17pm

      We may, with heavy irony, have to revert to the term “Temple Prostitute” when talking about Rome, as referred to by St Paul.

  3. The catholic church scandals are the gift that keeps on giving.

    1. Cardinal Fang 1 Mar 2013, 3:19pm

      Sandals? Oh, scandals.

  4. TheBrutalKremlin 1 Mar 2013, 12:58pm

    Now is not the time for limp-wristed [it’s a joke] responses ot this. This man has caused terrific suffering and pain to many, and MUST be held accountable. These articles are too vague, and too sheepish. It wasn’t so long ago that a bigotin a frock like this hung 20 year old Thomas Aikenhead FOR NOTHING. Stop sugar coating this coverage!

    1. I agree with you 100%. The allegations MUST be investigated, and not by the church, and IF they are true, then this individual MUST be held accountable.

      This is more likely to happen, if more people step forward to indicate that O’Brien abused or harassed those in his power .

    2. Cardinal Fang 1 Mar 2013, 3:24pm

      He’s abdicated, and moderates are finding their voices and the courage to speak up . Lets make the most of supporting them till they are silenced once again.

  5. DCBrighton 1 Mar 2013, 1:01pm

    It was inevitable that others would come out, now they feel supported. There will be more and more and more.

  6. I read elsewhere that the Archbishop of Liverpool had his resignation accepted yesterday as one of the last things Pope Benedict did prior scuttling off.

    I believe there’s a Tsunami about to engulf the hypocrites at the helm of the Catholic Church and that’s why Benedict has gone scurrying off. He doesn’t want to get his precious, over-indulged feet wet in the wave of effluent that’s about to become public.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Mar 2013, 1:11pm

    Good, now let others come forward. I hope they all have a chance to confront O’Brien face to face.

  8. I nknews this would happen.

  9. I say let all of us who has been “spriritually abused” by Cardinal O´Brien – come forward too!

    1. “Cassock up……cassock down” is about as much spiritual counselling that was on offer I think.

  10. godric godricson 1 Mar 2013, 1:49pm

    Where are the Police in all of the allegations? Isn’t it about time that we were told?

    1. DCBrighton 1 Mar 2013, 10:52pm

      Depends if the ‘inappropriate’ behaviour was illegal or not. There are perfectly legal same sex behaviours that the Catholic Church would consider ‘inappropriate’. We don’t know enough about the allegations at this time, but I’m sure it will come out in the end.

  11. It stands to reason there must have been a lot of willing partners too. You would have thought they would have told him to shut up and stop going on about homosexuality.

  12. The Church is just using him as the fall guy for all its homophobia.One day after he announces that Priests should be allowed to be married. Suddenly he is accused by Catholic Priests of inappropriate behavior. This is done to remove him and his influence in the next Conclave for the new Pope. And to shift attention from the true scandal going on within the Church.And to draw attention away from Ratzinger resignation. The Church is an expert at propaganda and driving the story where it wants . He was about to retire ,why bring this can of worms out into the open. Except to finally discedit him and place all the homophobic vitrol on his shoulders.Now he has resigned . this will assure his silence on the issue and he is no longer around for an investigation to take place . either within the church or outside of it. Lets watch and see how many more Cardinals are silenced and discedited before the shit hits the fan.

  13. It`s just politics Vatican style.

  14. You crowd are being led down the garden path just as the Vatican wants.Your attention has already been drawn away from the true scandal. The Vatican itself.

  15. I knew he was too good to be true he was so anti gay there must have been more to it…..HOW THE MIGHTY FALL….

  16. The Church will continue to March out these priests, one at a time to discedit Obrien and draw attention away from the Vatican for as long as it is useful to the cause. Discediting any other dissenting Cardinal who wishes to show his head above water.At this time. Divide and Conquer that is the order of the day right now within the Vatican. Remember this is politics and nothing more.

    1. Have you got some proof for this, Bruce? If it’s not just imagination and suspicious, then please share!

      1. sorry, “and suspicions . . . “

        1. Common sense!!!

        2. Come on Eddy surely you are not that naive, you know how politics works, don`t you. Deflect your critics, deny ,deny, deny find a scapegoat!!! create a diversion!!! Truth is the first victim of politics.. or didn`t you know that.

          1. Remember Dorothy`s discovery in the land of OZ…

    2. DCBrighton 1 Mar 2013, 11:03pm

      Are you saying the Vatican chose the timing of O’Brien’s downfall to deflect attention from the Pope? If that was true, their timing was awful, days before the attention being focused back to the Pope on his retirement,

      If it had happened days after the Pope leaving the Vatican, you may have had a point. But no way was this a contrived plan by the Vatican. O’Brien was a problem, he was sacked, The Vatican wanted the attention on the Pope and O’Brien was a distraction.

      1. Yes, It has been known for quite some time of the inappropriate behavior of Obrien. He is about to retire so everything could have been swept under the rug. No more Obrien. But the Vatican saw an opportunity to use him to deflect negative attention from the Popes resignation. what better timing. If the Vatican were some small little organization with not much to loose I would agree with you. But it is fighting for its life. and like an angry wounded animal it will use what ever is at it`s disposal to survive. This is no benign entity. Anyone he thinks otherwise is a fool. Or a believer.

  17. the virulence of the homophobia that comes from the mouths of men like this cardinal should always signal the queer truth being concealed. this has happened to so many anti-gay religious leaders now

  18. ALMOST every anti gay or homophobic person I have ever known has turned out to be a closet case. Misguided self loathing is the primary root of hateful anti gay rhetoric. So predictable!

    1. Cardinal Fang 1 Mar 2013, 4:56pm

      So true. Maybe a spotlight on the Orthodox church in Russia and its paramilitary thugs would not go amiss. Similarly in Uganda.

  19. it is chess like – sacrifice a cardinal to protect a pope
    but lets hear from the people and priests who were not the ‘victims of inappropriate behaviour’, but the consensual encounters, the night one stands, the quickies behind the sheds. etc

    1. I`m not defending this prick O`brien, I`m simply pointing out to you how he is being used now to deflect attention. The Church has had 2 thousand years to perfect it`s propaganda machine and it is very adept at putting it to good use. The sheep will follow obediently ,the rest of us just have to be decieved and shown what we see is only what they want us to see. It is a difficult strategy in todays modern world .But remeber they have had centuries to play the political game. why do you think they are so good at blaming the victim.Why is it they can get away with whatever they want . Crimes that would see the rest of us hung by our heels.Not to mention our necks. Yet they still go on as nothing has happened and use thier amunity to relieve them of all responsibility. And we let them just walk.we are worse than the sheep who follow them blindly. We know better but are too cowardly to stop them. It is our shame not thiers. Evil triumphs, while good men stand by and do nothing.!!!

      1. DCBrighton 1 Mar 2013, 11:08pm

        Can’t disagree more. Days before the pope’s retirement, O’Brien was becoming too distracting and that is why he was sacked. The Vatican don’t want to deflect attention. They want all the attention.

        1. He was sacked exactly to provide that distraction. Not of the Popes resignation but the fact that he was now going to slip away unempeded without any answers or responsibility for the cover up of pedophile priests and the others that helped and knew.The other distraction was the news of a sinister group of Gay priests operating within the Vatican. What a load of horse dung.All of this was fed to the press like chafe coming off a F15 fighter.It proved to be great propaganda because the real scandal .that of the Vatican coverup and those involved slipped right under the radar.

      2. DCBrighton 1 Mar 2013, 11:12pm

        O’Brien was a problem a few days before the pope’s retirement. That is why he was sacked. The Vatican don’t want the attention to be on him, but to be on the pope. O’Brien was a problem, he was sacked. The Vatican are not trying to deflect attention. They want all the attention.

        1. Your missing the point . The whole thing is a smoke screen.
          Winston Churchill once said of the war.The truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies.“ This is exactly what the church is doing now,to deflect negative attention from the Pope.

    2. That could run into thousands.

  20. I heard one commentator on the radio describe the Cardinal’s resignation as “an unselfish act of self-sacrifice”. It was, apparently, the only way he could describe it.

    I also read the Cardinal had a reputation as a “bruiser with a very short temper”, so I hate to think what these young lads must have gone through. No wonder one needed long term psychological counselling.

  21. Not saying he didn’t, not saying he did! But why did it take all these years for these priests to grow a spine and tell all now? Where they that afraid? Somehow I find it hard to believe that they kept quite all theses years out of some form of loyalty

    1. Joe, believe me, you have no idea how much control bishops have over priests, or priests have seminarians. Your whole world depends on their good will. You’re not in civilian life. You can’t turn to a regulator. You can’t and don’t turn to the police. All those authorities are other, they are outside, they are “pagan”, they are not part of the Catholic church. Your loyalty is to the church. And if you wish to have them look after you when you are old and not cut you off without any support, no roof over your aged head, no food on the table, then you shut up and you toe the line!

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