Louisiana Governor: The Republican Party doesn’t need to support same-sex marriage in order to win back power
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I hope I’m not being presumptuous in assuming, from his name and appearance, that Mr Jindal may have some cultural connection with the Indian subcontinent, in parts of which it was traditional for centuries for the widow of a dead husband to throw herself on to his funeral pyre…..I wonder if his reverence for tradition extends this far?…(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)#Origin)
Please don’t be so racist and narrow minded.
Please don’t be so naive. Arranged marriages for economic gain are this man’s heritage, and pass the acid or boiling oil if you don’t like your new daughter-in-law. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on, and frankly, neither do you, steve. Call a spade a spade. You gain nothing from pretending something isn’t what it is.
‘This man’s heritage’? Only if you accept that feral children by different fathers, obesity and widespread alcoholism would be part of your ‘heritage’ (assuming you’re English, LiW) if you were born in the USA of British descent.
So Catherine and William marriage was for love?
Racist twat
Well said, Steve
Sorry MarkN but I have to agree with steve on this one. Attacking Bobby Jindal for his supposed Indian ethnicity and the, yes, I agree, outdated and immoral traditions associated with this particular ethnical group unfortunately doesn’t make a solid argument against his homophic and bigotred declarations and position, it’s just a poor ad hominem fallacy that doesn’t help our cause in any way, besides, specially in this case, losing your coherence and not making any sense in your argumentation (attacking a man of clear fanatic Christian belief by condemning a practice of Hinduist Indians, without even knowing if his ancestors practiced such cruelty). A suggestion I would make for everyone is to restrain from using such prejudiced and common fallacies, they don’t add anything useful to our discussions and commentaries.
If you read what I wrote carefully you would see that I did not attack Jindal’s ethnicity, but his appeal to ‘tradition’ as a justification for his position on same sex marriage. Jindal is a Hindu converted to Catholicism, and as such should be aware of a wide range of ‘traditions’ (whether or not he or his ancestors practices them) that I would imagine he would not hope to promote and sustain. These would include Catholic ones, but Sati came to mind because it is specifically a marriage tradition, and spectacularly gruesome. Because of Jindal’s ethnic origins and his education, I would expect him to be aware of such traditions and not be so irrational as to appeal to ‘tradition’ as a basis for his argument. This is not an attack on his ethnicity, but his capacity to reason logically.
Actually, yes you did
What you wrote was racist
That you’re now claiming it was some well constructed argument against his policies is nonsense.
What you’ve done is to take the discussion away from where it SHOULD be by posting an offensive and racist comment.
So now, instead of debating what an idiot the man is, we’re now debating about YOU and YOUR racism…
Jindal is of Indian background. He was raised Hindu and converted to Christianity. Like most classic converts, Jindal takes a conservative view on most social issues. He’s trying to reassure his conservative Republican base that his views on social issues are solidly right-wing. He is also pegged to run for President in 2016. You’re on the wrong side of history Jindal!
Jindal was born in the USA. It is quite easy to see that the traditions he refers to are the so-called traditions of the country he lives in, not long-illegal traditions of the country his parents came from.
It’s funny how people never seem to say British-born US citizens couldn’t possibly be democratic or anti-racist because of the UK’s history as a colonising and slave-trading nation, isn’t it?
Great, they need more republicans like that in the u.s., completely out of touch with reality in the 21st century. This way it’ll be harder and harder for them to get elected as their positions become more and more obsolete.
Yvette Cooper reminded Parliament on the eve of the vote on February 5th that the republican party lost hugely because of it’s opposition to equality and equal marriage which was true. Three more states added equal marriage to their states’ equality laws on the day of the election last November.
Jindal is dead wrong. A lot of younger republicans support equal marriage. Failure to support it will lose them to the democrats. The same will happen to Cameron’s government and he’ll have all of the opponents in his party to thank for it.
Oh Bobby, we are in need of a reality check, aren’t we?
It not about marriage of any kind it’s just about their right to be nasty, discriminating and hateful.
Low and behold should anyone put them in this situation.
Not so long ago, Bobby your non-white face would have debarred you from joining the Republicans. Indeed in a number of US states, you’d be lucky to get a job above that of cleaner/store clerk.
The only reason you’re a Governor, is others were willing to break with traditions.
You really want to ensure ‘traditional’ marriage remains, fine.
Remember, inter-racial marriages were barred. Whites with white folk, and ‘coloured’ folk with coloured folk…
Some traditions just ain’t worth going back to.
But if you insist, then speak out about inter-racial marriages speak out about the return of the ‘sunset’ towns and so on and so forth.
Did the Republicans ever ban non-white people from joining? The party was founded by opponents of slavery in 1854 and had the US’s first black congressman in 1868. You have to bear in mind that the two main US parties swapped positions on racial equality in the early-to-mid 20th century – before that, black people voted overwhelmingly for the Republicans and Southern white people for the Democrats.
Exactly James. Again I must ask people to restrain from making unnecessary commentaries regarding races when it has nothing to do with the discussion, ad hominem arguments rarely work and Bobby Jindal’s ethnicity has nothing to do with his homophobia.
How do you know Jindal’s ethnicity has ‘nothing to do with his homophobia’? Ethnicity is ‘the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition’, and I do not see how you can be sure his homophobic views do not therefore derive from his ethnicity…Frequently people who have been victims of discrimination and abuse go on to discriminate against and abuse others. (Proposition 8 in California was passed by 58% of the black vote, for instance, compared to a total of 52% overall). Or they may have a strong cultural tradition of homophobia….
True, there’s no way of knowing for certain whether his ethnic background has anything to do with his homophobia or not. On the other hand, as he’s US-born, the ‘common national tradition’ he may well identify with is the US’s.
Debarred isn’t the same as being banned.
You can be debarred from being part of something on the basis that although you’re actually banned, you might as well be.
Examples-
A gay Catholic same-sex couple – not banned from being Catholic, but debarred from participating fully, or being recognised as being equal with their straight counterparts.
Anglican similar story.
Republican Party – similar story.
Until of course, attitudes changed and their realised it was in their future interests to appoint and select non-whites for high profile positions.
Another delusional wingnut. To get an idea of how much of a delusional clown he is – he performed an “exorcism” on someone…
Simple truth – without significant gerrymandering, and the sustained limiting of voting rights, the GOP will be dead in the water sooner rather than later. Right wing christofascist fruit loops are a dying demographic (and nothing much of value is being lost) and the cultural zeitgeist is moving closer towards tolerance rather than away from it.
I’m amused that Jindal doesn’t want to recognise that. I guess the message that the more radically they shift right, the more independent and swing voters rejected them.
These fools are living in an echo chamber of Fox news and puppetmasters like Rove who are feeding them drivel. May it hasten their demise.
The fact that gaining votes is the only reason he can think of for people to support marriage equality says all one needs to know about him.
Isn’t it rather sad when people from minority groups get into bed with the supremacist element of a majority group?
White heterosexuals have always had superiority in society – they haven’t known any different. Jindal is of Asian ethnicity and his parents were immigrants – a background that would surely encourage him to be empathetic towards other minority groups in society. His apparent lack of empathy reveals a lot about him and his unsuitability to be considered Presidential material.
It’s no surprise therefore that he is being talked of within the Republican Party as its next Presidential candidate! Like religion, it fully intends to stick to what it knows best – being completely out-of-touch.
Being in a minority group does not necessarily make one more tolerant. Case in point- look at the stupid , racist comments you sometimes see on this board. Hypocrisy and intolerance will always exist; some people can be brought up in a petri dish of liberal goodness and still turn out dead wrong.
Bobby J brings a whole new meaning to his label of republicans as the “stupid party” (his label in a recent speech). Desperate to belong to the ruling class, he’s a convert to Catholicism, and never speaks of his ethnic background, and is probably ashamed of it. Historically, he’s proven himself to be a weak spokesman for anything of substance, with speeches filled with the usual platitudes and ideas that have helped to keep republicans out of the Presidency.
It is, but as you will have noticed time and time again, being part of a minority doesn’t guarantee a sympathy for other minorities – in fact quite often the opposite, if you look at Afro-Caribbean or Islamic homophobia in the UK.
You might expect more from someone like Jindal, who’s evidently from the ‘educated classes’; but then again this is Louisiana we’re talking about.
Maybe he reads these comments and thinks gay people are racists.
And you dont see the irony? The gay right have risen from the devestation that AIDS brought to the community and are now directing us towards assimilation. The gay EDL ffs whata bunch of idiots
Sad that the brown boi made this a political thing rather than a human rights thing.
Please remove this posting Pink News
It’s racist, offensive and inflammatory
It’s also illegal
I doubt they will, like so many racist posts on here, they’re never removed.
Jidal is exactly the type of person who will drive the Republican party out of America politics. Looking forward to the new National Party forming on the left of the, now, fiscally right wing Democratic party. Go Jidal!
You don’t support same-sex marriage and LGBT rights to win elections, you support same-sex marriage and LGBT rights to make your country more fair and equal for a group of people that all through its history has been treated like crap, thus making your country a better place to live. The mentality that the only reason for supporting same-sex marriage and LGBT rights and in fact the only reason for supporting the rights of any minority groups that doesn’t have equal rights yet is just to win elections is probably the reason why you don’t win them and, mostly important, why your country isn’t a real democracy with freedom and equal rights for everyone.
I can`t help but notice that it is always the youngest in the family who is most progressive. The young Country of Canada is so much more intelligent about human rights , than their older brothers . The British and the Americans. The British and the Americans are always talking a great talk about equality . But they can talk , but can`t do the walk. The British hang onto their Tradition,like a pair of old dirty socks. The smell and the rot is palpable. the Americans are always tauting the great vision of freedom,a word for which they have no concept. Unless your White, Christian and Male. Our Brothers from Australia and New Zealand are left to follow the Old School Boys of Britain., Ah !!! Tradition . Freedom!!! time to wake up and give it life!!
I think I prefer to get opinion from Romney’s chief strategist – even if Romney lost, because he, at least, acknowledges the sorts of issues that dogged the Romney campaign.
Romney chief strategist says policy positions on gay rights, free contraception, led to Election Day defeat
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/romney-strategist-policy-technology-led-defeat-article-1.1272713
and this was also covered in great detail just after the election. The GOP can’t win the black vote, latino vote, womens’ vote, the gay vote. Many right-wing parties have the exact same problem. The GOP were very disappointed they didn’t get the Latino vote, despite having gone in to their communities and insulted them, told them they should vote GOP, and then shocked that they didn’t do so !
Jindal seems like some sort of idiot to be ignoring all the post-election analysis, but I’m more than happy with his opinion, because if followed it will mean they are out of power for ages.
He and his party won’t be happy campers when they learn today that 75 republicans have signed an amicus brief to support overturning Proposition 8 in California which would reinstate equal marriage. Those republicans know they’re in a party that is a sinking ship.
Tory MPs in opposition take note. It will be you who are sinking your own come 2015 and the prospect of helping a Labour government gain power for perhaps another ten years.
…oh REALLY…
Hahahahahahahaha
…what an idiot…
Say hi to the Republican Party’s very own Mr Hanky the Christmas Poo. He is a moron in a party of morons.
This is the same in-touch politician who performed an amateur Catholic-style exorcism on his college girlfriend because she wanted a physical relationship, and that meant she must have been demonically possessed? Well then, his opinions seem sound as a pound!
Such a pity that people from ethnic groups which have suffered intolerable prejudice and discrimination in the past STILL hold these totally irrational and highly bigoted views about homosexuality.
True – a point that applies just as much to Catholics and Jews and Muslims in the UK. But as Jindal’s parents were professionals/academics the chances are that he himself experienced relatively little overt prejudice: the attitude even in the southern states of the US towards professionals from South Asia – who are seen as prosperous and therefore desirable – is markedly different from the lingering prejudice against African-Americans (or so my relations tell me).