By all means, let’s test and forever discredit the snake oil peddling that is “ex gay therapy.” There isn’t one recognised professional body in psychiatry, social work etc that finds it to be anything but a dangerous nonsense. I’d happily have that put on record, again.
What these idiot christians don’t grasp is the concept of precedent. If the rule was to change to allow advertising of something that is – to all professional bodies and people of note with credibility – a nonsense, then the precedent would be set to advertise any old absurd magical crap. Something that has long been disallowed by law.
But go ahead, christian simpletons, waste your money. I could go over how much things that ACTUALLY help people cost – life saving vaccines, emergency food rations etc – but let’s be honest, you are fascinating by sex, love the “fetish of the forbidden” and can’t resist the urge to metaphorically sniff the knickers of people who are increasingly becoming tired of your hypocrisy
Foaming at the mouth Christian fundies vs. Boris Johnson? Doesn’t take a genius to see how this one will play out. He’s going to make them look bigoted and totally ridiculous into the bargain.
If christians are allowed to promote their hate of themselves and everyone else, then bring on the adverts for skin bleaching creams for asians who want to be white skinned, and all the other quack products that take advantage of insecure minorities.
Hmmm… Unilever are happy to oblige !
I’m all for freedom of speech, but I feel that this is just hate-mongering. As Sevrin just said if this advert is to be allowed then there should be “adverts for skin bleaching creams for asians who want to be white skinned” too.
I actually think those that genuinely feel they have a problem with their sexuality do need professional help; however, these people are very rare – what angers me is the concept that gay people are automatically assumed to be aberrant, and that we all need “fixing”. I am sure there are many people that discover they are gay, and instead of accepting and celebrating their status, they are told that they are “sinful” and “wrong” but there is some sort of evangelical ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ card that these churches can provide.
There is a very thin line between free speech and hate speech and whether or not these adverts should be allowed is a delicate one. What they are trying to promote is a ‘cure’ for homosexuality which as everybody with half a brain knows does not exist and as these adverts are misleading they should not be allowed. A possible infringement of the Trade Descriptions Act, perhaps?
Maybe someone should pay for anti-christian posters……
NOT CHRISTIAN. EX-CHRISTIAN. POST CHRISTIAN AND PROUD OF IT. GET OVER IT!
I think the christians would have something to say about that.
The difference is though, that luckily you can get over being a christian, you can change your religion – but you can’t change your sexuality.
All these church groups want is publicity for the evil that they peddle. I hope that they can be shamed in public clearly and concisely.
Bring it on – I very much doubt they be passed by ASA anyway but lets see them waste more money
The ASA don’t pre-screen ads so it’s not really up to them. However, they could ban the ad if it was put up and then somebody complained. Would LOVE to see what ‘evidence’ these guys could find to prove that this therapy works.
Fair point ,how long before it was complained about and banned then ? I just hope they can’t get a refund tho
Does free speech have no limits?
How about a travel advertisement for female circumcision?
Or snake oil pills against Cancer?
People who want to self-harm are not usually provided the tools with which they can most effectively do so.
And as far as I know, city busses are not used as adverts for any organisations selling self-harm solutions.
Maybe if it was factual I could understand but all accredited psychologists & scientists state sexuality is innate. Left handed people can pretend to be right handed but it doesn’t mean they are in the same way that sue pressing your sexuality doesn’t make it go away. I feel very sorry for those pretending to be straight it must be tortuous!
The British Psychological Association recently condemned ex-gay therapy as dangerous. I hope Boris brings along someone from the BPA to address the bigots. I”m surprised it hasn’t intervened already.
Even if this group were to win their case for the right to have these ads AND the ASA pass them as fit to print does this mean that TfL are in anyway obliged to use them?
Do TfL *have* to use all the advertisements submitted to them? Just because they’re legal doesn’t mean that they’re appropriate.
What a Joke…
We have an ex-Pope
And an Ex-Cardinal
And many ex-Christians, (myself included)
But to date, there’s no evidence of an ‘ex-gay.’
Shouldn’t these Christians be more concerned with those who are ex-home owners, those who are ex-employed and now living in doorways and bus shelters?
Would the money being lavished on Christian legal costs be more beneficial to those who have nothing?
If Jesus were around today, he deny his surname was Christ, so shamed he would be of this lot.
And no evidence of an ex-straight either let alone converting one.
Ah yes, more hate, more bigotry.
This isn’t about free speech, this is about these christian right to offend and discriminate, to be above the law.
Boris was right to stop this campaign and all these christian will do it create more problems for themselves.
This yet again is religion trying it’s hardest to discredit the LGBTQI community. It’s seriously time for them to stop their over obsession about us and get on with life.
Let them waste more of their hate money, they will lose and look all the more vile in the process. It’s all good as far as I am concerned.
Radio 4′s Today programme on 25 Feb had a blatantly one-sided interview with Mike Davidson (from Belfast, of course).
Starts at 48:40
As usual, the BBC didn’t make even the slightest attempt at providing balance, e.g. by inviting someone to represent the Boris / TfL view.
Sarah Montague listened highly sympathetically and asked tame questions, not even bothering to challenge Mike Davidson’s repeated assertions that sexuality is a choice.
It’s interesting that these people feel that they are being denied free speech, yet anybody that criticises them is accused of “blasphemy”.
Racist group wants to put slogan on bus to encourage black people to disguise their “unwanted” racial characteristics.
NOT BLACK! EX-BLACK,
POST BLACK AND PROUD. GET OVER IT!
The Core Issues Trust is an anti-gay British “Christian” organisation, which focuses on issues of homosexuality.
‘Dr’ Mike Davidson … a doctor of what exactly? I hope he doesn’t work in the NHS. Claiming that he’s ‘ex-gay’ himself rings alarm bells. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence realises that such people are lying – to themselves as well as others. Gay conversion therapy is sheer quackery and very dangerous quackery at that. Keep the ad. banned.
He is a qualified psychotherapist.
Note since that article, the British Psychodrama Association has revoked his membership.
Here are a couple of slogan suggestions for “Christian” anti-gay Core Issues Trust and Anglican Mainstream to use in any subsequent bus advertising.
Some people are homophobic bigots. Get over it!
Homophobic, bigoted, anti-gay and proud. Get over it!
sure that is infringement! Boris saved them from being sued!
If a man was sexually attracted to other men, yet wished to uphold his vows to his wife and family, what would be the best course of action to take?
Stop living a lie, be honest and tell your wife you are of homosexual orientation but that you still care about her and that you want to support her and any children you have together.
Living in the closet and pretending you don’t have same sex attractions can be very damaging personally as well as to everyone around who is close to you.
Just stop being dishonest to yourself and others, try to accept yourself and your natural sexual orientation.
Personally, I believe anyone possessing an ego-dystonic sexual orientation should seek exploratory treatment. I’m against any form of therapy that would promote or reject a particular outcome above the interests of helping the client.
That’s not to say I do not believe LGB affirming approaches are generally the best option, but I’m aware of the existence of ‘ex-gays’ who are purportedly genuinely happy. Unfortunately the complexities involved cannot be conveyed by a mere poster.
There are no properly documented examples of ex-gays.
I hope they televise this court case. I would love to watch Boris wipe the floor with these deluded idiots…Go Boris….!!