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  1. That There Other David 22 Feb 2013, 7:01pm

    Is this what he meant by the “thin end of the wedge”. First the gays, then the priests. Where will it all end??!??!

    ;-)

    1. Sure is, David.
      The answer as always lies in the till.
      No bums on pews or at least just the one Mass on a Sunday and that’s it.
      Why?
      ‘Cos there ain’t no priests to conduct the service.
      No bums is no cash.
      Easy really.
      Keith.
      SALFORD

      1. casparthegood 23 Feb 2013, 1:00am

        There is also a huge element of self preservation in the way they attempt to present themselves. It is only by people allowing themselves to be ruled by superstition that the church has any power at all. No power = no jobs,no fancy titles or positions of authority.

        1. Yes, the church always runs along BEHIND civilisation, while screaming “No! No! No!” all the while.

    2. this arsehole is finally trying to get a move on stopping his lonely celibate priests from raping children.

      Of course he still hates gays. MF should get what the king got long ago in the flap that resulted in the split from Rome to the Anglicans. I think they used an axe

      BTW why has the church hidden all these vile crimes all over the world re children Because the hierarchy is just as guilty.

      BTW why doesnt the church want gays to marry – another piece of it is that priests willl demand to marry also.

      In the USA we finally got a little justice re these clowns

      http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-11/news/28350473_1_grand-jury-report-barbara-dorris-three-other-priests

      http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-church-files-20130122,0,3114631.story

      no ownder the churches are empty.
      All need to know that much of xtianity is just like much of Islam.

    3. What a delicious HomePage on PinkNews this morning. There’s both this story, in which Mr. O’Brien spouts about letting priests getting married, and the story advising that four men have come forward with claims that Mr. O’Brien sexually abused them while he was in a position of authority over them.

      Really, I do believe now that Mr. O’Brien’s suggestion of yesterday was his first plea of defence against the accusations that have been disclosed in the media this morning! Yesterday he was basically implying that he, and 100s of other religious figures, would not abuse people in their care “if ONLY we had been allowed to get married!”

      And that equates to a denial of responsibility!

      We are ALL responsibility for our behaviour, Mr. O’Brien! And YOU appear to have severely abused yours!

  2. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Feb 2013, 7:13pm

    Oh please, O’Brien get married? He probably couldn’t get it up for a woman. I’m surpised he’d support a married clergy. There goes his chance of ever being elected Pope, perish the thought.

    Abortion basic dogma of divine origin? Is he for real? Abortion isn’t even mentioned in the bible, yet the roman cult traditionally has supported killing ‘heathens’ in Europe and Latin America, bloody hypocrites.

    1. Jock S. Trap 22 Feb 2013, 7:28pm

      O’Brien probably thinks Anne Widdy is a total babe!

      1. Thanks, Jock, for the disgusting image I’ve now got of O’Bigot & Widders getting it on! I feel like I’ll need a bath in dettol!

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Feb 2013, 12:25am

          Dettol? How about a dash of carbolic acid for good measure! A pox on both of them, well suited.

        2. I second that… and I’m not British!

        3. Jock S. Trap 23 Feb 2013, 10:25am

          Yep BennieM that’s another 5 years on the couch!

          Sorry about that!! lol

          :)

          1. Could be worse, Jock. They could have a threesome with Pope Benny! Poor old Widders wouldn’t get a look in then, would she? O’Bigot and Benny would only have eyes for each other!!!

          2. Jock S. Trap 24 Feb 2013, 11:44am

            Oh… Well I wanted to loose weight and that’s just put me off me lunch!! Puke!

    2. Actually I think it might help him become the next Pope – in fact I think that is why he said what he did.

    3. “He probably couldn’t get it up for a woman.” – We now know that recent events have probably proved you correct although he could almost certainly get it up for a man…… Preferably a young male priest.

  3. Some Catholic priests can marry and Cardinal O’Brien is feeling a little bitter and thinks it’s about time he had some pu**y. *woof*

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Feb 2013, 7:22pm

      Any woman fancying him must be desperate. Somehow I don’t think it’s a woman he’d want for himself.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 22 Feb 2013, 7:23pm

        I expect he’ll get a bollocking from Rome for going against it’s offiical teaching over celibacy.

        1. Mumbo Jumbo 22 Feb 2013, 7:31pm

          Or for re-defining the word “priest” and overturning its traditional meaning as held up by Christians for hundreds of years.

          1. no, no.. it’s “thousands of years”. With these people, it’s always “thousands of years”, even if it happened 6 months ago.

        2. Maybe not, Robert. It could be that the Vatican is actually in such internal disarray at the moment that there’s no disciplined lack of command able to discipline lunatics like Mr. O’Brien? Hence his extraordinary statement? He doesn’t seem to have as much fear of “The Holy See” as bishops and cardinals have usually had in the past.

          1. Maybe it’s because he’s due to retire and doesn’t really care about sticking to the official line anymore and is really speaking his own mind.

  4. Mumbo Jumbo 22 Feb 2013, 7:26pm

    “Cardinal Keith O’Brien…….believes priests should be able to marry if they so wish.”

    Each other?

    1. They don’t half flatter themselves.

  5. Jock S. Trap 22 Feb 2013, 7:27pm

    Yeah saw this… what a bloody hypocrite!

  6. Jesus didn’t say anything about celibacy of the clergy, but he didn’t say anything about gay people either. That doesn’t stop bigots like O’Brien from cherry picking to support their hate. Priests already have a choice as to whether they marry. If they want to marry, don’t be a priest. I have no choice – I’m prevented from marrying the person I love by the choice of people like O’Brien. That can’t be right.

  7. If he can be so liberal on the issue of celibacy, which the catholic church considers rather important, then it just proves his opposition to same sex marriage is down to his own homophobia and not because of religious reasons, otherwise he’d be questioning the church’s official stance on that too. Bloody bigot – thankfully he’s due to retire next month and we won’t need to hear from him again.

    1. He might retire, but the snake will remain as dangerous as he was and presently is. These princes of the church wield incredible powers of influence, long after their official service. Do you really think bigots of his kind remain silent after their time in office?? We have to keep a close eye on them, at all times.

      1. You may be right, blue, but in my experience, catholic priests like living lives of luxury and I’ve got a feeling O’Bigot may want to enjoy his pampered retirement and leave behind all the responsibilities of leading a religion. I think it’s possible he might not be heard from again.

        As I said in another comment, Philip Tartaglia of Glasgow will be the leader of the catholic church in Scotland when O’Bigot retires and he’ll not want anyone stepping on his toes.

        Of course, Mario Conti, the previous Archbishop of Glasgow, was asked to stay on for 2 or 3 years past the retirement age of 75 until they could find a suitable replacement. Let’s hope the same doesn’t happen with O’Bigot.

        1. Bennie, Blue is right. I have considerable experience of the inner workings of the Catholic church and its orders. Only fairly recently I observed, at first hand, a retired “Monsignor” of the Catholic Church (for those who don’t know, a “Monsignor” is a priest “with medals”), making moves behind the scenes to ensure that a priest whom he thought ambitious does NOT have a chance of becoming a bishop.

          Remember, the Church is their whole life, their existence. Think of retired priests as being rather like old spinsters of widows in the backbar of The Rover’s Return (Coronation Street). They’re in there gossiping with each other over this and that young priest, and delighting in continuing to wield power, to prove to themselves that they’re not dead yet!

          1. Eddy, perhaps you and blue will be right, who knows. I was just going on my own experience as a catholic for the first 20-odd years of my life. My family tended to know our priests better than most people because my parents used to run around after them, doing everything for them. I found out that all of them to a man had two personas – the devout religious priest shown to most people and their real persona shown only to those who knew them really well. Most of them privately didn’t give two hoots about the catholic church and it’s teachings, although they pretended to in public. It was quite sickening really, thinking back on it. If O’Bigot is anything like the priests I knew, then he’ll be glad to get out of it and enjoy his luxurious retirement with no responsibilities.

  8. And who is gong to define ‘straight’?
    Would be a 1-10 score card?
    And of course, if a priest is ‘straight’ then that’s an end of the matter is it?

    Me ‘ole, it is…!

    They are so naive as to be laughable.

    Catholic Church, you ever heard of ‘clutching at straws’..?

  9. “..many priests have found it very difficult to cope with celibacy…”

    But it hasn’t stopped them has it. After all the scandals maybe they should give celibacy a try. Dirty old buggers that they are.

  10. Um who the f wrote this article? I’m all for same-sex marriage but I HATE propaganda! This isn’t “new” or “progressive” but has been that way since the birth of Christianity. If you know anything about history you would know that celibacy was introduced for the Latin rite a couple of centuries after Christianity was founded but that the Eastern rites of the Church allow married men to become priests till this day. You would also know that Emperor Nero married a man when Christianity started.

    1. Who gives a flip. The man is a hypocrite. That is the point.,

      1. How is he a hypocrite? He’s not going against Church teaching.

        1. How’s he a hypocrite?

          As per my posting below, he’s allowing married Anglican priests defect to the Catholic Church along with their wives. Yet as it stands, Catholic priests are forbidden to marry and must be celibate.

          That’s hypocrisy in my book.

          But if you’re not convinced, here’s another example.

          Not so long ago Catholics were forbidden to marry Anglicans.

          Then this was changed provided both parties agreed (in writing) to bring up their children in the Catholic Faith.

          Then in 2009, we have the ultimate in hypocrisy where a Catholic who marries an Anglican must still guarantee to bring up their children in the Catholic faith, but a married Anglican priest with Anglican children can become a Catholic Priest.

          And to top it all, my late and very dear father who passed away last year had to go and get permission from the Catholic Bishop to be allowed to go and take a Civil Engineering degree in Trinity College Dublin as it was a Protestant University.

          Hypocrites.

          1. I still don’t understand the hypocrisy. Maronite Catholics are in communion with Rome but married priests have been allowed for 2000 years and did not have to follow the discipline of the Latin rite. If you are Jewish and marry someone of another faith then you have to raise your children Jewish. If you are Catholic and marry someone of another faith then you have to raise them as Catholic but if you marry a royal, you have to renounce your Catholicism. Church discipline is not set in stone and that’s why these changes have occurred. I fail to see how this has anything to do with same-sex marriage because married priests are not “new” or “progressive.”

          2. Kevin, from what (geographical) place are you writing? You don’t seem to have any grasp of the Western mindset, our traditions here in the West. It IS set in stone here in the West, and it HAS BEEN set in stone here in the West, the Catholic priests are intrinsically the spouses of Christ and no one else! This is what you need to appreciate.

            If you are not living in some far Eastern place, then I can only imagine that you are living at the top of some unreal and very ivorine tower here in the West.

          3. ‘… the Catholic priests are intrinsically the spouses of Christ and no one else!..’

            Eddy spare us the official dogmatic view, the real reason that historically priests dont marry is to do with the Church’s wealth. Families unlike single priests cost fortune to support. Also pope is a head of many other christian denominations that some of them allow their priest to get married

          4. Do you really think that the reason is saving money? No, priestly celibacy arises from the belief that outside of marriage, deliberate sexual thoughts, feelings, and behaviour are sinful. In the Eastern branch of the church celibacy is not required of bottom-rung priests, but celibacy is the norm for bishops. Incidentally, he also declared children of such marriages illegitimate! The Council of Elvira in 306CE was among the first authoritative council to issue written regulations requiring clergy to abstain from sexual intercourse. Canon 33 The Council of Elvira decreed that “Bishops, presbyters, deacons, and others with a position in the ministry are to abstain completely from sexual intercourse with their wives and from the procreation of children. If anyone disobeys, he shall be removed from the clerical office.” Pleasure was further stamped out by Emperor Justinian, that total kill-joy, declaring in 530CE as null and void all marriages contracted by clerics in Holy Orders.

    2. Kevin, people are quite aware that marriage is permitted in the Orthodox wing of the church. But that is not the point. For centuries, here in the West, the notion of Catholic priests being married, having sex with women, or even having sex with anything, has been an impossible one. The concept of a Catholic priest having lawful sex is unknown here in the West. So, in the light of this, the latest thoughts of this idiotic dinosaur in Scotland are truly extraordinary, showing just how desperate the man is, and the Catholic church is, at the current time.

  11. In 2009, the current Pope Benedict made an decree that allows married Anglican priests to become Catholic Priests, thus what O Brien is now suggesting, is nothing new, and has been discussed within the Catholic Church for a number of years.

    The fact is this – the Catholic Church Hierarchy, and most of their most vocal supporters, are:

    1. Bigots
    2. Homophobes
    3. Hypocrites
    4. Dishonest.

    But Keith O Brien goes beyond these 4 attributes.

    He’s a man who quite literally believes himself to be above the rest of humanity.

    1. Just to add to your excellent post, Jesus Christ himself actively endorsed married clergy. I think it is in Timothy or something, but Christ apparently says something about bishops being ‘ pure’ to their wives and daughters. Or something like that.

      Anyway, the point is that not only is the Catholic Church run by hypocritical numpties who are prepared to change policy on tuppenny bit once they face falling priest numbers, but they don’t even follow the terachings of the man/God they profess to worship.

  12. Marcwebbo3 22 Feb 2013, 8:16pm

    This evil piece of dirt has his head up his backside as usual….thankfully he retires soon…lets hope his replacement is better but I wouldnt hold my breath

    1. When O’Bigot retires, the most senior Catholic (and default leader) in Scotland will be Philip Tartaglia, who became the Archbishop of Glasgow last year. Sadly he’s no better than O’Bigot when it comes to gay issues.

      1. Marcwebbo3 23 Feb 2013, 4:50pm

        Have heard of him….hes a nasty vile ‘man’….oh well at least we know what to expect so there wont be any surprises

        1. Just think of what we’ve got to look forward to with Big Phil leading the catholic church in Scotland! He’ll probably want to make his mark once O’Bigot retires, just to stamp his authority on his new role.

    2. Jock S. Trap 23 Feb 2013, 10:28am

      Indeed though the trouble with a senior bigoted catholic retiring, is another one always seems to take their place.

      Usually just to show they are in charge they like to show even more bile so people take note of them.

  13. Jamie Caffiera 22 Feb 2013, 8:35pm

    I take it that this ignores the fact that most catholic priests sleep with under-age boys?

    1. That There Other David 22 Feb 2013, 9:39pm

      That’s a terrible thing to say!!

      A lot of them sleep with under-age girls.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Feb 2013, 12:22am

        That they do and in Latin American, a number of them are fathering children.

  14. ““For example the celibacy of the clergy, whether priests should marry – Jesus didn’t say that.”

    Exactly where in scripture does the Jesus character say that same sex couples should not marry? He absolutely didn’t say anything about same sex couples.

    1. in fact he hung around with a lot of men and a prostitute …

  15. It’s “self evident” that Catholic priests can not provide a “warm” and “safe” environment for the bringing up of children so they shouldn’t be allowed to get married!!

  16. Of course they should be allowed to marry, especially if they love one another!

    1. So true! When I was in a Catholic seminary training to be a priest, it was hopping with seminarians having sex with each other, and this was after the Rector had just done another “clear out”, expelling six for having been “at it” the previous year! Nothing stops the sex drive! :-)

  17. Priests should be able to marry and so should we. What that vile person (if he can be called a person) is suggesting, is to extend marriage privileges to all heterosexuals, including Priests, but not to us. One objective of Christianity is to uphold heterosexual supremacy although at the moment it appears to be its sole objective. As it is in the process of failing in that objective it has been thrown into disarray and in sheer desperation the Cardinal has decided to support the idea of allowing Priests to marry. In that context, it’s all about trying to keep us down. But as we’re all for equality why shouldn’t Priest’s marry, why shouldn’t we also have the right to marry or why shouldn’t gay Priests marry for that matter? There are no reasons at all why any of us shouldn’t have the right to marry. Bring it on!

  18. this a-hole is finally trying to get a move on stopping his lonely celibate priests from raping children.

    Of course he still hates gays. MF should get what the king got long ago in the flap that resulted in the split from Rome to the Anglicans. I think they used an axe

    BTW why has the church hidden all these vile crimes all over the world re children Because the hierarchy is just as guilty.

    BTW why doesnt the church want gays to marry – another piece of it is that priests willl demand to marry also.

    In the USA we finally got a little justice re these clowns

    http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-11/news/28350473_1_grand-jury-report-barbara-dorris-three-other-priests

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-church-files-20130122,0,3114631.story

    no ownder the churches are empty.
    All need to know that much of xtianity is just like much of Islam.

  19. What makes your ilk so exclusive then?

    You just continue to alienate yourselves from the LGBT community.

  20. ...Paddyswurds 22 Feb 2013, 11:04pm

    Meh! Just another self loathing homophobic old queen in a dress and funny hat ranting against a world that has rejected him and his paedophilic cadre of old men trying to divert attention from their crimes against the worlds children and women. Well it ain’t working and the coming storm will sweep these evil old men into the dustbin of history where they belong especially as there is a gaol waiting in their future…….

  21. he does realize that if priests are allowed to marry, most of them will marry men, right? what a dumb fuukk

  22. more Anti-Catholic hysteria ,distortions and lies …..

    “Catholic baiting is the anti-Semitism of the liberals.”

    1. I agree is is easy for those who feel they have been the victom of hatred to become hate filled

      1. Jock S. Trap 23 Feb 2013, 10:30am

        Thankfully it is society as a whole that has given us a voice to stand up for ourselves and be heard.

    2. I agree i’m a gay catholic and have never had a catholic ask how can i be gay but get sick of this anti catholic tirade on here

      1. But you have had a Catholic tell you you’re intrinsically disordered and your sexual orientation inferior to heterosexuality, as well as tell you you’re unfit to adopt children, haven’t you Steven?…

      2. Jock S. Trap 23 Feb 2013, 10:35am

        This story (and it’s comments) are about Britian’s most senior Catholic… that is what we’re responding to. These people claim to speak for all Catholics. They tell all Catholics what to think, what to say etc.

        Thankfully not all Catholics agree with what they say but I don’t think you can complain when we are standing up against your ‘Heads’ of your faith. This is about the extremists… it isn’t a ‘anti catholic tirade’ at all but it is people like yourself Steven that can go make a difference, instead of bowing to their every demand.

    3. Jock S. Trap 23 Feb 2013, 10:29am

      Lies? … are you blind as well as ignorant?

      (was gonna say stupid… ah what the heck!)

  23. Cardinal O presided over the gayest ordination and garden party I have ever been to! Wouldn’t be at all surprised if he lifted his frock for some!

  24. So what about all the gay priests – will they have to marry women too or should they be allowed to marry their partners??

  25. Strange how the good Cardinal seems to have no difficulties on this occasion proposing changing the definition of marriage so as to include Catholic priests….Surely this amounts to a fundamental change in the institutions of both marriage and priesthood, and is ‘impossible’?……hmmm….

  26. “The cardinal explained: “For example the celibacy of the clergy, whether priests should marry – Jesus didn’t say that.”

    Jesus didn’t say you can’t have an abortion, Jesus didn’t say two men couldn’t marry, Jesus didn’t say anything about popes ruling us, Jesus didn’t mention cardinals, Jesus didn’t mention nuclear weapons or television or moon landings or lasers or jet aircraft……………………………………….

  27. Only a tiny minority of people are Catholic priests, so why should we change the ancient definition of marriage to suit their selfish demands? And since the purpose of marriage is procreation, why admit to this sacred institution a bunch of men whose average age is over 60? There is evidence proving that the sperm of older men increases the risk of disabilities such as autism in their children. Thus redefining marriage so as to include priests would result in more disabled children, putting increased strain on the family and society, undermining both and leading to social collapse….

    1. ...Paddyswurds 23 Feb 2013, 1:53pm

      MarkN ….
      …..So you would change the definition of marriage to exclude Gay people, priests because you think they are all old, elderly heterosexuals, divorcees, people over 40 etc etc… you are some piece of work. What gives you the right to dictate what other people can and cannot do.. other than possibly an ancient book compiled from the illiterate camp-fire stories of ignorant uneducated desert goat herders 4000 years ago? Really?

      1. Paddy, I think Mark was being sarcastic, turning the arguments used against same sex marriage back onto O’Bigot and using them to argue against his suggestion that (straight) priests should be allowed to marry. That’s how I took his comment, anyway!

        1. Thank you Bennie – I hadn’t thought I was being so subtle as to be taken seriously! – I must be careful not to try stand-up:-)

  28. Edmund Rodgers 23 Feb 2013, 11:20am

    Hilarious, if the church relaxed the celibacy rules in the UK less than 2% would get married, as most priests are gay!

    1. Yes, imagine the horror that the thought of having to locate a wife must be striking into the hearts of hundreds of Catholic priests up and down the land at this moment! I dare say a lot of the gay ones will find some priest-adoring female member of their congregation, but how will those relationships fare! And those gay priests who can’t bear the idea, no more than you or I can, will be thinking whether or not it will still be possible to behind the facade of “I’m married to God”, whether they’ll be able to withstand the continual question, “So, Father, when are you going to be getting married then? No nice girls you fancy, eh?”

    2. ...Paddyswurds 23 Feb 2013, 1:56pm

      @Edmund Rogers…
      … No most priests are not Gay. Most priests are vile paedophiles as has been proven by the scandals over the last 20 years and the scandals still to come re the rape and sadistic abuse of the worlds little children by the clerics of the vile Roman cult….

  29. Thatta boy, Mr. O’Brien! Get your new Holy Papa “to consider whether the Catholic Church should change its stance on other issues, which were not of divine origin”, and eventually your very many homosexual priests will be demanding of you that they too should be allowed to marry, like their frocked heterosexual colleagues!

    This man’s mind is clearly all over the place with worry and desperation. One minute he’s warning all the Catholic of Britain that the sky will fall in lesbians and gays are allowed to marry, and the next minute he’s thinking it would be a good idea to change the tradition of centuries and let Catholic priests take wives and enjoy sexual relationships!

    I reckon he’s been having some very bad nights’ sleeps!

  30. The death rattle of a dying dinosaur, so pathetic to watch the little phobes grasping away as their house of cards collapses around them. Public opinion is what counts and all my straight friends are laughing at these frock wearing clowns

  31. ‘Straight catholic priests’
    Mmmm! There’s a conundrum.

  32. Kane, you really think that the reason is saving money? No, priestly celibacy arises from the belief that outside of marriage, deliberate sexual thoughts, feelings, and behaviour are sinful. In the Eastern branch of the church celibacy is not required of bottom-rung priests, but celibacy is the norm for bishops. Incidentally, he also declared children of such marriages illegitimate! The Council of Elvira in 306CE was among the first authoritative council to issue written regulations requiring clergy to abstain from sexual intercourse. Canon 33 The Council of Elvira decreed that “Bishops, presbyters, deacons, and others with a position in the ministry are to abstain completely from sexual intercourse with their wives and from the procreation of children. If anyone disobeys, he shall be removed from the clerical office.” Pleasure was further stamped out by Emperor Justinian, that total kill-joy, declaring in 530CE as null and void all marriages contracted by clerics in Holy Orders.

    1. Somebody’s given me a thumbs-down because they don’t like to face THE FACTS! The Christian Church has sought to keep control of humankind’s PLEASURE since its earliest days. FACT.

  33. PeterinSydney 23 Feb 2013, 9:17pm

    And Cardinal can the old Cardinals and Bishops of the Curia have their liaisons with the cute boyfriends in the Vatican, while you and the old Pope hate gay people.

  34. BREAKING NEWS !

    Three priests and a former priest in Scotland have reported Cardinal Keith O’Brien to the Vatican over allegations of inappropriate behaviour stretching back 30 years.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate

    This could become very interesting…

    1. Shame we didn’t heard about this 12 months ago. Britain’s most influential Catholic homophobe himself cause up in a sexual abuse scandal, and one which will rock the foundations of the Catholic church here. Sadly he retires at the end of next month and will probably get away with it.

    2. who’s surpised?

    3. And now he’s been caught with his pants down! You just couldn’t make it up…

      “‘Priest C’ was a young priest the cardinal was counselling over personal problems. Priest C’s statement claims that O’Brien used night prayers as an excuse for inappropriate contact.”

    4. Liam the God 23 Feb 2013, 11:19pm

      And the BBC on the same story…
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21563345

  35. How ironic that O’Brien says “It is a free world and I realise that many priests have found it very difficult to cope with celibacy” – when he considers celibacy as the only acceptable option for gay people.

    How ironic that O’Brien says priests might “feel the need of a companion” – when he doesn’t think that’s acceptable for gay people.

    How ironic that O’Brien says “I would be very happy if others had the opportunity of considering whether or not they could or should get married” – given his views on gay people asking for the very same thing.

    That he doesn’t comprehend the irony of his comments on whether priests should be allowed to marry when set against the backdrop of whether gay people should be allowed to marry reveal just how socially inept this man is.

  36. Divine origin??? Hasn’t he heard of Constantine having the bible rewritten?Perhaps the Dead Sea Scrolls? Barbara Thering? Common now.

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