If he’s mistaking the word “Protect” for the word “Persecute” he’s probably bang on.
….as opposed to the indigenous North American tradition of the berdache.
Christopher, the word berdache negative and means: slave, male prostitute. Although it was previously acceptable it is avoided because of its negative meaning, same for the word squaw. I think the origin of the word is French and not Native American.
Ra Wells formely of Canada, now living in England.
What will they be called when the words “slave” and “male prostitute” are deemed no longer politically correct?
Traditions like genocide?
Rwanda has a predominantly Christian population, the largest denomination is the Catholic Church. Yet tradition and religion did not prevent the horrendous genocide.
Rwanda is a predominantly Christian country, the largest denomination is the Catholic Church, making up 57% of the population. In this case neither tradition nor religion protected the victims of the horrendous genocide.
Genocide is not strictly an African “tradition” is it? In the 20th century Europe had its fair share of mass murder, the holocaust and Bosnia are a few that come to mind. It seems more like a human “tradition” than just being reserved to Africa,
Just more of the same.
Yes, what a pity that African traditions don’t protect against genocidal barbarity and blatant corruption. Or indeed from dictators turning what could have been prosperous countries into basket cases. Witness Zimbabwe
I was under the impression that the Catholic church sent their Catholic paedos to Africa and other third world countries becuase they were less likely to come under the scrutiny of the almost non existent policing in those countries. There’s more Catholic paedo priests found in the Western world simply becuase we have a more modern policing system and kids have more power to speak out against them.
African kids are still at risk from these monsters becuase they’ve got no-one to complain to , a crappy political system and are still scared stiff of the Catholic church.
I suggest the Catholic stop having a go at gays and blaming us for everything and deal with their paedos and stop hiding them in Africa and hand them over to the police here in the Western world where we can deal with the,
If this is the kind of pope they intend going for then bring back the old one. A homophobic Ghanian pope instead of one which was a product of 1930 Germany, brilliant choice!
Of course Africa has no traditions of molesting children. Lord no. All they do is rape children in the hopes of curing their HIV. But that’s not molestation, right?
Oh my Head!
As I understand it, Peter Turkson’s argument is that homosexuality is un-African and that it never existed in any prominent way in Africa.
Contemporary historians of Africa could not possibly agree with that.
We are beginning to learn that the basic assumption underlying African attitudes towards homosexuality is wrong and clearly ahistorical.
It was homophobia, not homosexuality, that European powers introduced into Africa’s colonial laws.
Peter Turkson has just stumbled onto the world stage.
Well what do you expect. he does believe in a magic sky pixie after all….
Oh come on. He’s a catholic. He clearly believes in more than just one!
It’s not his faith that makes him stupid – he’s clearly more than capable of that himself
If the Vatican wants the biggest schism in the Catholic Church then they should go ahead and elect Peter Turkson as Pope. If Benedict XVI wasn’t bad enough, Turkson, whatever name he chooses, will be so repugnant that congregations throughout European and South American Catholic countries would want to see a break from the Vatican. The Church as already hemorrhaged many regular church-goers since the child abuse scandal erupted. In Ireland only half of the people there now attend mass regularly, a few years ago five out of six people were regular church goers. I wonder how bad the scale of child abuse is in ‘gay free’ African countries?
Well he seems to have the intellectual horsepower to be the next pope! :-)
Sorry I thought you said the next poop, becase that is all he is
He’ll just be another Ravi Shankar whoever they elect.
Rhyming slang, I presume, Rehan :D
Ew – a bit insulting, isn’t it?
Given that Ravi Shankar has recently just died I think Pink News should remove that
African traditions were very accepting of homosexuality. It was white men imposing Christianity on them that changed this.
And their backwards views on women, what they should do, wear, say, etc., too.
which African tradition? maybe the one that kills children in voodoo rituals, just to bring good luck. apparently albino kids are particularly popular choice
as for cardinal, it seems he has already thrown his cardinal hat into the ring by making those inflammatory comments, positioning himself as a natural successor to B16. his chances of winning are purely based on the fact that he is black. however roman catholic church doesn’t do political correctness, its stance on homosexuality is a very good example of that. I don’t think majority of old white men will go for an average cardinal just because the church is long overdue for a black pope
and the recruitment of child soldiers in Africa isn’t child abuse ?
There is none so blind who those who can not see. This guy is out of even a couple of centuries earlier that Ratzinger.
I actually hope he gets the job – it could only help speed up the demise of what ever power is left in the well of the ignorant clerics.
Not that I’m one for the arcane prophesy nonsense, but I’m really beginning to hope this one is Peter the Roman :-)
Bye bye Vatican!!
What of traditions such as belief in witchcraft, child sacrifice, the murder of children who are accused of being witches and violent exorcisms resulting in death?
I very doubt there will be a black Pope. The Catholic Churh is as racist as it is homophobic. The thoughts of the Catholic faithful taking any sort of lead from a black man, in my view, is somewhat laughable.
Make no mistake, the muting of this man’s name is to ensure that Benedicts faithful are encouraged to vote for a white, Conservative Pope. Who most likely will have the same view as this character, but, won’t be as public in his declarations.
the difference between current pope and his eminence turkson (apart from skin colour) is that the former comes across as sophisticated and eloquent and the latter as direct and blunt. what unites them is their homophobia
But isn’t that what people said before the present Archbishop of York was appointed?
I can imagine them appointing a black pope just as a way of saying ‘hey world, see how progressive we are’.
The most ‘unAfrican tradition’ is the white man’s religion of christianity, forced upon the peoples of Africa in the 19th Century by our distant ancestors. A burden we in Europe are thankfully rejecting in ever increasing numbers as we realise how incompatible and irrelevant religion is with modern life.
The trouble with the white God cult in Africa is that it has become a deadly cocktail of bigoted missionary christianity mixed with deep rooted local superstitions so it is a religion based on the fear of not believing and being seen as not believing and not love.
Isn’t it amazing how religious fanatics can pick and chose to justify their absurd dogma, never letting truth or reason get in the way of proclaiming their nonsense!
When will be free of these idiots.
By all means, feel free to bow down to whichever deity you subscribe to but please please KEEP IT TO YOURSELF and STOP poisoning humanity with your drivel.
RANT RANT RANT.
Dave, we like your “rant rant rant”-ings – keep them coming!
So what exactly do the Holy See put in the job description for new popes:
“Our present bigot is broken, so an exciting new opportunity has just opened up for a slighly younger, more dynamic bigot -
Personal specifications. Must be able to deflect blame for institutional child abuse onto nearest available scapegoat, preferably the gays. Successful candidate should maintain views on women’s rights pre-sufferage movement.
Useful skills: to be able to preach the bit about camels and needles from the bible whilst sat on a throne in a palace with no trace of self-awareness or irony.
To ignore all scientific data regarding birth control and contraception.
If you regularly embarass your close relatives at Christmas with a rant that makes Alf Garnet sound progressive, please send your CV to the Holy See today.
At the relatively young age of 64, Peter Turkson could be Pope for 20+ years. That’s a depressing thought, especially considering how many deaths from AIDS and state-sanctioned gay executions there could be in Africa during that time due to his conservative views on condoms and homosexuality. However, the alternative candidates would probably be no different.
Apparently, St. Malachy the 12th Century Archbishop of Armagh prophesised that a Pope Peter would be the last Pope “who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations” prior to the destruction of Rome and then “the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End”. Hopefully that is suggestive of the end of the Roman Catholic Church as we know it or a religion-free world rather than the end of the world!
Please pink news tell us how you think this man is a favourite?!!
There are old prophecies of st malachy regarding the popes – there is only one prophecy left and some have said that the last pope will be a black pope – this is an historically racist view meaning that the presence of a black pope is negative and associated with the destruction/end times. Of course these are only myths but the bookies are loving it because they can promote a favourite who definitely won’t win and make money.
This man will never be a pope. The only chance of a black pope is if he is european or possibly american.
Comments about paedophilia in the catholic church are correct: the abuse is well known in the developed countries due to the press and attitudes regarding religion and the diminished authority of the church (the big man) over the poor (the little man).
The abuse is no less in Africa, possibly greater.
But this man will never be Pope.
What an ass.
How do such utter dumbo’s manage to rise up through the ranks to situate themselves so conveniently close to positions of power?
Most hierarchies are inherently conservative, so those who talk the approved talk and walk the approved walk while networking skilfully tend to prosper.
“Tendencies“! What decade – century – is this person living in?
(Yes, yes, I know, several centuries ago, it was a rhetorical question.)
“African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency,” the cardinal said. He went on to suggest that the rejection of homosexuality played a part in protecting children from molesters.
Subtext : Our culture covers up and pretends more that ‘this tendency’ doesn’t exist or we have special magic rituals (ie. for minor groups such as albinos).
Carry on the work of Ratzinger, empty pews are the work of the devil !
LMAO! Some of the clowns on here who though Ratzinger was bad haven’t seen or heard nothing yet if this guy gets in. In Ratzinger’s defence, flimsy as it is at least, he was approaching 80 or 90 or whatever and was old school and possibly had senility issues. This current gimp is trotting out verbage that was used on his country when the white man decided to convert heathen savages who swallowed it hook line and sinker, the west moved on and developed whereas Africa is stuck in a different form of backwardness. Ironic huh.
Why are you defending Ratzinger? Oh, of course, he’s white…
Heathen savages? I’ve never had that line dished out before on this site. Cut and paste job from one of your other highly insightful comments, I suspect. Lol.
Ummm no, “heathen savages” was how non whites were generally perceived by white european Christians during the era of missionary developments, which is the context I was using it in. And how do you know I’m not black Bob? You knob.
Series 3 of The Borgias starts April 14th on Showtime in the U.S. Should be able to compare today’s extreme-right church with the modern church of the 15th century!
Joe Rat. and Wojtila have had decades of appointments of far-right bishops and cardinals with the expected result that the next pope will be extremely conservative and make Joe Rat. look like a radical liberal.
I expect they’ll find some extremist from Asia (2nd choice Africa) to bolster the only regions where they aren’t driving the dupes from the pews.
Protect “against this tendency?”
Ignorance flies high again…. protect against birth would be the only way… but what’s to protect?
Appalling but from an extremist Catholic… you’d expect nothing else.
They can’t kill their religion off fast enough.
The church would be flowering with liberalism were it not for the enormous reactionary drag factor from Africa. So if the church wants to align itself to smaller regional interests, and against the tide of time, they should be encouraged all the more to do so.
Just what the world needs, another thick ignorant pope.
“It is also claimed that Cardinal Turkson has defended Uganda’s proposed Anti-Homosexuality Bill.”
Funny that he should back a bill that would allow the death sentence for anything.
Seems like the Cardinal thinks “Thou shalt not kill” isn’t as important as a few vague passages in the Bible that may or may not be against homosexuality.
What a prick.
Jesus, who would have thought there’s a good chance that we could get a Pope who’s even more homophobic and bigoted than Ratzinger.
‘African traditions protect against homosexual tendency’ – presumably that’s why there is more AIDS in Africa than anywhere else in the world.
well it was never going to be that a gay liberationist gets the job …
It is worrying to be looking to African countries for the next pope. These countries have been seriously taken back to the dark ages by bigoted hate-mongers who preach to the vulnerable.
It has nothing to do with African culture and everything to do with imported homophobic doctrine from the likes of US evangelicals.
‘Ghanian Cardinal Peter Turkson, said in an interview with Christiane Amanpour on CNN, that Africa was not as badly affected by the child molestation scandal within the Catholic church because of traditions and culture which rejected homosexuality and “protected” against those “tendencies”.’
…what a bloody idiot…
And what an ungodly idiot at that…
There’s a copy of the Vatican waiting for the new pope in Cote d’Ivoire.
here we go again. will anyone simply just recognize the utterly unnatural task that all catholic priests have in being denied any sexual outlet? another frightful example of religion worsening our world, i’m afraid.
When you say protect, dickhead, you mean protect the molesting priest and blame the victim…and their families…what a piece of dung!!!!!!!
What a stupid man.
He’s been to Tema, I take it?
There’s no such thing as homosexuality in Catholic Poland, either, to hear them talk and certainly none in Mohammed-land.
Just look on MANJAM
What utter tosh…!
They’re ALL at it; ALL and without exception.
It’s part of human nature, get over it.
The headline to this article states,
“Hopeful for papal office: ‘African traditions protect against homosexual tendency’…”
The photo, of the Cardinal, states,
“Cardinal Turkson said that African traditions ‘protected against’ child molestation …” IMAGE WIKIPAEDIA.
Sorry, but are these two things linked?
Are these two things mutually exclusive?
One automatically assumes…….you get my drift?
I think someone somewhere in an editor’s office is being very much the Devil’s advocate’, here.
WTF have homosexuality and child molestation got to do with each other?
“With friends like this…….”
Et bleedin’ cetera.
Have you actually read the article?! It summarises exactly what Turkson says in full on CNN, which is that there is less child molestation in Africa because homosexuality isn’t accepted in African culture. Of course there’s no link, of course it doesn’t make sense, but that’s what he said. PN is promoting a view, merely reporting that this is what Turkson said and doesn’t patronise it’s readers with stating the obvious i.e. that it’s bulls**t.
I think this guy is talking nonsence, the only reason why there are so few cases is because assholes like him make sure those files never see the light of day. that is why I am still suffering from what happened 40 years on. I need closure which the curch has refused to give us