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  1. Jock S. Trap 18 Feb 2013, 12:16pm

    So children given a better loving, stable environment means nothing because they should be in homes that cannot support them or home of abuse?

    Very wrong. It’s cruel, it’s vindictive and it serve no purpose other than to ruin a childs life.

    Yet again religion is used in the interests of the adult and not the children.

    Disturbing to say the least.

  2. No wonder that Turkey will probably never become member of EU. They probably even fund the “Muslim Patrols” …

  3. It seems pretty clear where any “psychological damage” will come from.

  4. That There Other David 18 Feb 2013, 12:26pm

    Bring it on. The cases will be heard in European courts, and all the evidence showing that gay couples parenting are as good as straight couples parenting will be presented.

    Then the Turkish government will lose the case.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Feb 2013, 12:45pm

    Turkey can forget about membership in the EU. Good, we don’t want it or its islamic religous nutters. We have enough in our own back yard.

    1. Glad to see your thoughts on this, Robert, and that others, above, feel the same! I do too!

      Great! Turkey is showing it’s true face! No way must Turkey ever be allowed to join the EU: if it does we will see an acceleration in the Islamization of Europe.

      Did you see on Newsnight last week that minister of the Turkish government claiming that Turkey is such a wonderful country, cheap and sunny, that lots of British pensioners have moved there to set up home! I don’t believe it. A few may have. Sadly Gavin Esler didn’t immediately demand that the minister cite figures. I expect Esler realised that he had to be careful not to say something akin to : “What? British people volunteering to go and live in a country that, albeit secular in constitution, is becoming more and more Islamic in nature with the constant erosion of civil liberties? You must be joking!”

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Feb 2013, 1:56pm

        Yes, Eddy, I did happen to see Newsnight. Esler should have demanded the evidence for sure. With the way things are today in islamic countries and their attitudes towards the west, I very much doubt if hordes of Brits are moving to Turkey, cheap or not. A lot of straights holiday there but that’s it. I’d rather live in Spain or Portugal if I had to where there are a lot of Brits living.

        1. That There Other David 18 Feb 2013, 2:09pm

          There are quite a few British pensioners who are Muslims themselves.

          Just sayin’

          1. We have another example of the vacuous with “just sayin”. People who use this expression have nothing to say worth hearing or reading.

          2. “Just sayin'” must be the best citation of scientific evidence and statistics I’ve seen in ages.

          3. That There Other David 18 Feb 2013, 3:06pm

            Are either of you disputing the first sentence in my post, or are you so busy playing silly buggers you skimmed that?

          4. @Emory you don’t really need “scientific evidence” to know that there are quite a few British pensioners who are Muslim, regardless of how you feel about the expression “Just sayin'”

          5. Not that there other David. 19 Feb 2013, 12:21pm

            There are quite a few British pensioners who are parrot owners, just sayin.
            There are quite a few British pensioners who are without teeth, just sayin.
            There are quite a few British pensioners who are ballroom dancers, just sayin.
            There are quite a few British pensioners who are custard lovers, just sayin.
            There are quite a few British pensioners who are convinced that people who use the expression ‘just sayin’ are lazy thinkers who don’t know how to construct a sentence.

  6. The children should be considered rescued from the hole Turkey is.

  7. DivusAntinous 18 Feb 2013, 12:52pm

    They call themselves westernised.

  8. If one follows this logic then trans national and tran cultural adoption is wrong. I can’t help thinking that there is a whiff of xenophobia and homophobia in such a policy. But the case does raise the wider issue of culture and upbringing in the context of adoption.

  9. If one followed the logic of this position there would be no trans national and no trans cultural adoption. I cannot help feeling that there is an element of xenophobia and homophobia in such an attitude. Though it does raise the issue of culture and upbringing in the context of adoption.

  10. Give them to the successful Turks in the UK. They are queuing up to adopt kids are they?
    The people behind this move sound really bloody thick. And cruel. They will lose, of course, but not before they have struck terror into the hearts of the rescued kids that they might be sent back to their native shit hole.

  11. GulliverUK 18 Feb 2013, 4:46pm

    Turkey – secular government? Don’t think so. Membership of the EU – don’t think so. Turkey has a very long journey to travel to meet the values and ethos of the EU. It’s been castigated again and again for its poor human rights record, particularly with regard with LGB, and especially with the “T” part. It can’t even deal with all the other political struggles in its country, what makes it think the EU would want it. They should come back when you’ve grown up some more.

  12. You’ll just ‘retrieve’ all these kids, will you? Yeah, good luck with that. I look forward to the courts showing this the contempt it deserves.

  13. Christopher in Canada 18 Feb 2013, 5:52pm

    There is, unfortunately, a difference between fostering and adopting.

  14. Brett Gibson 18 Feb 2013, 9:51pm

    Aaaaand that’s why you’re not in the EU. It’s all been on the side of France and Germany etc blocking Turkey’s entry on grounds of cultural difference. However it seems the same is felt by Turkish people.

  15. Children are not born religious, so you can’t really “assimilate” their religion and as for culture, it’s not genetic.

    I have a culturally British background because I was raised here. If it were a question of my genes I’d be a very culturally confused individual.

    Universally children need loving stable environments, they don’t need a specific religion or culture.

  16. “Turkish authorities have begun legal proceeding to have Yunus and other Turkish children given to gay foster parents returned, citing a violation of human rights and psychological damage done to the child.”

    Yeah, because snatching a 9 year old boy from his familiar surroundings, the only home he’s ever known, is not a violation of human rights and will do no psychological damage to the child…, outrageous!
    I’m not very religious but I pray that these Islamic barbarians will not succeed in ruining this poor boy’s (Yunus) life.

  17. Wow, xenophobic nationalists that sound like nazis. The EU should distance itself from them until they reached an acceptable level of human development.

  18. Evilyn W. Schmit 19 Feb 2013, 11:47am

    It’s not about gay couples, it’s just about the couples which are not the biological parents of these children. these children are taken from their families with force….

    1. because their biological heterosexual parents were unfit parents! Its the same in this country social services forcibly removes children from unfit biological parents to an adoptive family.

      That is the key issue, the children were suffering ABUSE and NEGLECT with their biological parents. There is a European Convention on the Rights of the Child which they would have to follow because it is the CHILD’S rights not the unfit parents rights.

  19. Jesus holy god (pun intended)! What is wrong with these religious idiots! They are showing absolutely no regard whatsoever for the welfare of children who have been integrated into a new family and bonded with them. This will absolutely destroy the children in question.

    And rather than be re-assimilated into their ‘original culture’ they’ll be heavily resentful of it. They’ll resent their original family on several fronts, resent the Turkish authorities for taking them away from parents that love and care for them, they’ll likely become depressed and its downhill from there.

    I very heavily doubt any child psychology specialists were consulted with regards to this. It’s seems very strongly to be a case of ‘religion first’ yet again.

    How much more pain and suffering can these indoctrinated fools cause on this world. If Turkey are granted EU membership after this I’m leaving Europe. It’s also another piece of evidence (I believe) on how religion holds us back from developing.

  20. Too late they have been there for 8 and a half years. That lesbian couple are their parents now .

  21. Let us remember that no child is born religious or with religious beliefs – they are foisted on them by society and parents; one of the abuses of the child.

  22. Peripatetic Apostate 19 Feb 2013, 4:20pm

    Are the children Turkish nationals? If so, perhaps Turkey would have a say in this. But if not, Turkey should mind its own business.

    The fact is, my daughter is in school in Ankara and is being forced to take courses in Islam (“Religion and Morality”), newly required by the Ministry of Education. The Turkish government these days has not problem imposing Islam on non-Muslims, and gets preposterously indignant when so-called Muslim children are not being instructed in Islam.

  23. Nikephoros 18 Mar 2013, 7:52am

    I blogged about this:
    Turkey, the North Korea of the Mideast: AKP: Take Turkish children back from gavurs and gays

    “At issue is that the AKP regime feels sacred values[Islam, Turkishness] that uphold Turkish identity are being violated. One of the few Turkish colonists in Europe who actually fostered children, Nejla Buran, sums up the concern: “I think [children] are way happier if they are placed in Turkish families, who speak their language, cook meals like their mother does.”[6] This whole fiasco is because in the bigoted Turkish mind, the issue is not over who is a better parent than the abusive Turkish families, but who is a more Turkish parent. According to a poll by the Reputation Institute, Turks have the biggest gap between their self reported, self-image and their global score(what other parties think of their nation).[7] Within their own sociology Turks associate Turkishness

  24. Nikephoros 18 Mar 2013, 7:54am

    with goodness. A famous slogan of their eternal, fascist leader, Ataturk, that is oft repeated goes: “A Turk is equal to all the world.””[8]

    Basically none of the unprofessional Turkish media or their AKP bigot politicians seem to care much about the treatment of the actual child, Yunus. It is just pure bigotry from their side. The reporting is narrowly focused on the alleged crime of raising him without Turks or Islam, by a Haraam lesbian couple!

  25. Great. And now the people of Europe can go to the courts too, to have their Turkish neighbours thrown out of the country for being of a different culture and incompatible with their host countries.

    Where do I sign up?

  26. How can anyone blame America for wanting to bomb this kind of countries?..

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