I have no truck with any of the mumbo-jumbo, voodoo, gobbledegook, and invented nonsenses of any of the religions, however, I do appreciate ecclesiastical interiors . . . and so I have to note that those deluded LGBTs who will be sauntering along to Farm Street ought to enjoy its charms! It’s a beautiful interior and very comfortable.
It’s delightful to find that the austere and stern Jesuits, always a law unto themselves, have decided to offer a service to LGBTs that the diocesan administrators of London have chosen to withdraw! This indicates a degree of in-fighting within the Catholic church in London. Bring it on!
I’m firmly secular in regards to religion however just because you don’t believe in it doesn’t mean you should be calling these people deluded.
Grow up, they are entitled to their beliefs without them being mocked.
Hi Gas Wkd, I am grown up, and because I am grown up I don’t believe in angels, fairies, elves, sprites, ghosts, spirits, gods, goddesses, devils, leprechauns and so forth.
We mustn’t surrender our rationality to the invented proclamations of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, the Baha’i Faith, the Unification Church, Spiritism, the Sumerian religion, Cheondoism, Druidism, Druze, the Ancient Egyptian religion, the Etruscan religion, the Polytheism of Ancient Greece, Hermeticism, Atenism, LaVeyan Satanism, Mandaeanism, Manichaeism, Meher Baba, New Age religions, Orphism, the Rastafari movement, Ravidassia, Samaritanism, Scientology, Shinto, the Native American Church, Swedenborgianism, Taoism, Tenrikyo, Thelema, Urantianism, Wicca, Yarsan, Yazidi, Bon, Yoruba, Asatru, Ayyavazhi, and Zoroastrianism, as, self-evidently, they are each and everyone the creations of the deluded.
That is a misunderstanding of religion – as with philosophy or works of literature some are shallower than others.
The pastoral provision for LGBT Catholics, parents and families, remains a service of Westminster.Diocese Although Farm Street church is served by Jesuit priests, it is a parish within the Diocese of Westminster and its Jesuit parish priest is installed as such by one of Westminster Diocese’s Assistant Bishops.
Archbishop Nichols has also asked Monsignor Seamus O’Boyle, currently Rector of the Warwick Street church, but also Vicar-General of the Diocese and a member of the Archbishop’s Council, to continue as his liaison with the LGBT Catholic community.
Really? Would you care to tell us more then? Why did Mr. Nichols withdraw the provision of his church’s services to LGBT Catholics in Soho where LGBT Catholics clearly believe they need them?
I am sure it has more to do with money, the gays will have to keep a tight grip on their wallets.The clergy probably spend way beyond their means.
I am an out Church of England gay Christian. Although I disagree with their atitude to LGBT, I feel that Catholic gay people have every right to worship.
I think it was back in the 80s that “care in the community” came in, and since then all sorts of people with all sorts of delusions, many of them quite harmless delusions, but delusions nevertheless, have been wandering the streets. You see them often. All sorts of nonsense in their heads but they’re happy. As long as they don’t do harm or violence to themselves or others, I suppose their “freedom” is not a problem. However, I do think they’d be far happier and more fulfilled if they received care and were helped to shed their delusions.
I cannot imagine why LBGT Catholics would want to attend the same mass as Archbishop Nichols, the man who kicked them out of the Soho church. They should ask the Farm Street Jesuits to make it clear that homophobes are not welcome.
maybe Vincent Nicholls is a fan of Oscar Wilde and Bosey?!
On the front page of the Guardian today:
“Ireland’s apology to laundry victims.
Irish premier Enda Kenny to issue state apology to up to 10,000 women who were treated as virtual slaves”
Yes, up to 10,000 women who were treated as virtual slaves, right up until 1996, by the holy Roman Catholic Church!
Not forgetting the widescale sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests, who in their right mind would continue to want to have anything whatsoever to do with the Catholic church, or, even, Xianity!
The use of the words “deluded” and “delusions” seems to have generated a certain amount of heat in this string. Can I suggest we use the slightly more positive words “illuded” (new word) and “illusions” instead? We all have our illusions, and religions are no more illusional than other beliefs concerning humankind, like democracy, and justice, and progress, and the essential goodness of men and women.
Joe, I cannot agree with you that the concept and practice of democracy, or of justice, are either illusional or delusional and that therefore they are, as you have suggested, on a par with the invented bogus nonsense of any of the religions that men have invented. There is no comparison.
I appreciate your wishing to bring agreement by introducing the word illusion to replace delusion but in fact there is barely any difference in the meanings of these two words. The Oxford English Dictionary, for example, define illusion as: “The fact or condition of being deceived or deluded by appearances, or an instance of this; a mental state involving the attribution of reality to what is unreal; a false conception or idea; a deception, delusion, fancy.”
Religions therefore are illusions and delusions. We can choose to categorise them by either word. I prefer the more assertive word “delusion”.
Isn’t it rather suspicious and sneaky that the LGBT Catholics of central London are now “forced” to venture right into the heart of the poshest, the most expensive, the most conservative, and therefore the most un-gay-friendly area of central London, where, for example, there are barely any pubs because they were long ago banned, if they want to celebrate the Catholic mass together?
Isn’t the Catholic church renowned for its Machiavellian strategies? Isn’t this just another one of them?