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Welsh Secretary David Jones: Gay parents cannot provide a ‘safe environment for the upbringing of children’

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  1. Spanner1960 15 Feb 2013, 2:15pm

    “A warm and safe environment”?

    Is this idiot for real?
    How can you define that? Do straights have more burglar alarms and better central heating?

  2. I often suspect that obscure “politicians” who make stupid, ill-informed and factually inaccurate statements like this are just jockeying for public attention. His fantasy about marriage as a centuries old institution for the nurture of children is simply laughable.

  3. Peter Robertson 15 Feb 2013, 2:24pm

    So he thinks it’s safer for a child to be brought up by a junkie mother and a burglar father than a normal same-sex couple? What about a different-sex couple with an abusive member, or a couple with too many children through not caring to use contraception because, like this imbecile, they don’t have enough brain cells?

  4. Not only only is his utterly objectionable reasoning wrong but it has nothing to with equal marriage – civil partnerships and other legislation all permit gay couples to bring up children already – so his voting against equal marriage makes no difference whatsoever. It is just a cover for his bigotry.

    Either he is incredibly stupid or incredibly unpleasant. He’s a Tory so it could, of course, be both.

    1. Spanner1960 15 Feb 2013, 2:39pm

      I heard someone say a similar thing recently regarding getting people through immigration. “Pakistani men will be marrying Poles in order to get British passports.” The mind boggles. Apart from that fact they could have done this for the last eight years with a CP still doesn’t mean UK immigration will necessarily allow residency.

      These people are obviously desperately clutching at straws and trying any excuse they can rather than simply admitting they just don’t like queers.

  5. Jock S. Trap 15 Feb 2013, 2:29pm

    Such ignorance from some in a position of power… it’s shocking that such uneducated people make it.

    To what does he make this assumption? Because that is only what it is not fact. He thinks it because he is told to think it, not out of choice of the wealth of knowledge from fact but dictated by religion.

    The man is a fool.

    May I guide him to see the fact of many unwanted children around the world, brought up in homes such as Barnardo’s etc to look and see the ‘warm and safe environment’ the real facts he wishes to hide and conceal from the rest of us. All to appease his own bigotry.

    Let’s not forget that Barnardo’s is one of the better organisation. There are many throughout the world that bring such shame to any adults. This is not a problem of the LGBT community and yet he feels the need to preach without fact, without reason.

    Shameful idiot!

  6. He has to go, this is a blatently discriminatory remark!

  7. I would love to know exactly, where he has learned this. Does he know many gay parents with kids that are in danger, I wonder how many. He must have done some very extensive research on the subject! Or he’s making up lies, based on what he has been told to think and believe. I’m 100% certain this is the case and that makes him a stupid and very weak man indeed in my book. He should keep his small minded opinions to himself.

  8. Paul Essex/London 15 Feb 2013, 2:37pm

    As someone whose work involves care proceedings, the irony of Mr Jones’ view never fails to escape me whenever I see a file on my desk where a child has been removed from a dangerous and damaging home environment of their opposite sex parents and placed in foster care with a gay couple.

    The child is often very damaged by their experiences, only to be seen thriving as a well adjusted child due to the skills, commitment and safe loving environment of a gay couple or individual which many of the ‘moral majority’ who oppose gay rights simply can’t or won’t provide.

  9. Le6s pause here for a moment and consider the concept of why a child being brought up in a same sex household might not be in a ‘safe’ environment. Could it be because people like Mr Jones might be outside the house threating the family, leaving nasty notes for the family, stirring up trouble for the family or any other manner of thinngs? Is this what he means?

    1. Oops a couple of typos there!

  10. Yet another idiot who insists on publicly advertising his idiocy!!!!

  11. The Halcyon 15 Feb 2013, 2:59pm

    Because Fred and Rose West could?

  12. GulliverUK 15 Feb 2013, 3:11pm

    What an offensive c**t

    Disgusting bigot. He should be reprimanded for those remarks they’re appalling. Are half the Tory MPs mentally defective? Do they have no common sense at all? What a stupid, ignorance of the facts, thing to say. And these idiots are in charge of the country. My god, I’m a gay – get me out of here !

  13. Such blatant homophobic remarks by a Cabinet minister should result in dismissal by the PM. To say that children of same-sex parents are not safe is wildly untrue, disgusting and extremist. There is no place for such extremism in Government. If Cameron wants to believed that he is changing his party then he has to sack David Jones.

    1. Julia Wilmott 15 Feb 2013, 3:38pm

      no.. don’t sack him, let him speak his bigotry across the national media, the sooner we are rid of camoron and his crew of neo-liberal hatemongers the better our childrens futures will be.

  14. Yet another: ‘gay people people are inadequate, because their love is inadequate’ i.e. not as good as straight people’s. But he’s not homophobic, of course.

  15. Liam the God 15 Feb 2013, 3:53pm

    That picture looks like the kind of image they show of a Serial Rapist after conviction. I wouldn’t trust him with children! Mind you, I wouldn’t trust a Tory half as far as I could spit a bowling ball….

  16. He’s a red faced example of what we’re still up against.

  17. “…the provision of a warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children, which is clearly something that two same-sex partners can’t do.”

    I love the way these bigots pretend they have a sensible argument by slipping in a stupid lie after a reasonable statement.

    Two people of the same sex are perfectly capable of making excellent parents and providing a safe environment for children. One’s sexuality doesn’t determine whether you’re a good parent or not, you idiot.

    I despair when people this obtuse are in power. Or was he trying to hint that the mere fact that children might grow up with same sex partners is somehow dangerous?? Offensive aswell as stupid, in that case.

  18. How incredibly arrogant this chap is. Who does he think he is that he some how knows more about raising children than the medical council, the psychologists, the sociologists, the social workers and so on.

    What has been revealing about this whole marriage equity process is how it has exposed how seriously incompetent and and ignorant a large number of politicians are.

    It is sad that these type of people were ever elected in the first place,

  19. Presumably, he also believes that childless straight marriages should be outlawed too.

  20. Susan Smith 16 Feb 2013, 9:34am

    David Cameron this is a leadership test! Sack David Jones immediately or resign yourself!

    1. Liam the God 17 Feb 2013, 2:50pm

      Cameron only wants the POWER: He has no integrity, or morals, or compassion. And his “Bitch” Nick Clegg is never going to resign because then he wouldn’t be called Deputy Prime Minister. Neither care about their nation, or their people: Only themselves.

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