He needs to get his own church in order after centuries of paedophilia. Why should his views count for anything? Hardly in a position to take the moral high ground in anything. He and his church are utterly and morally bankrupt. I find his participation in the equal marriage debate offensive and insulting.
Well done, Siobhan McDonaugh and Kate Green.
Catholics like other religions in the UK don’t pay statutory tithes, so it neither here nor there is anybody leaves the church.
The legal counsel accompanying the Archbishop on the committee was more concerned about losing charity status, or more importantly council grants if any councils deems they are discriminating against LBGT people.
I have to say that I watched this when it was said by the archbishop – plainly he’d tried to put it across as a threat, which, by the looks on the faces of all the panel made no impression whatsoever. It was plainly meant that should parliament pass the law allowing gay people to get married, that it would be parliament blamed for an attack and attempted destruction of the catholic church. It didn’t wash and was seen for what it was; another hyperbolic doomsday scenario we’ve heard coming some members of the Roman Catholic hierarchy Well done to Siobhan McDonaugh and Kate Green for pointing out that, whilst not said so implicitly, was very clear – the days of empty threats are long over
What this idiot isn’t saying is that catholics are leaving their church not because of equal marriage, on the contrary, but because of it’s stand on abortion, contraception, celibacy and a ban on female clergy. If anyone’s in denial, its catholic clergy. The congregants are a lot more savvy than the hierarchy. What a fool.
I’m not a Roman Catholic (lapsed or otherwise) and don’t much care for the way the RC Church chooses to teach christianity on a variety of issues. But I thought the way Siobhan Mc Donagh tackled the Archbishop was fantastic. He participated in proceedings in a complete strop. The closest he could come to real problems on the Bill was a load of tired old stuff that’s been trotted out before which he’d heard but couldn’t even quote the actual facts on, and referred to all of this happening in Canada when I’m sure one (an employee disciplined for negative comments of equal marriage on a social website) happened here.
Ms McDonagh’s comments put pay to the fallacy that every straight church goer in the UK is being persecuted for their beliefs, quite simply because the views held by the RC Church et al aren’t those of many of its members. Showing that on a great many issues, homosexuality being one, main stream churches are far from united with their congregations.
I sent an email to my mp John Pugh about his having accepted a £4000 donation from the Catholic church so that he can take (a presumably Catholic) in turn. As a TS it’s more than a little worrying that this church can have this much influence. They more or less ruined my last years of seeing my gran, and I now have to worry about how I am going to be treated by Catholics who are part of the system and establishment. The Roman Catholic church tries to treat transsexuals worse than it would treat a rapist or murderer. Are their congregation going to try to do the same thing?
“No representation without taxation”. When these organisations start paying tax, I may be prepared to give them an ear. Unitl then, I wish they would all just keep their silly fairy stories and their homophobic, bigotted rhetoric to themselves. They poison minds and cause untold misery. School bullies use religiously-inspired hatred as justification to perpetuate the hurting of others. We MUST break this cycle once and for all.
I don’t quite understand why the government should be concerned about the Catholic Church losing members. Is it really any of their business?
What exactly did he expect to achieve by this line of argument?
I didn’t think they let you leave the Catholic church anyway. Don’t they count everyone who has ever been baptised to be Catholic? I would love to be taken off that list. How do I go about it?
Don’t ask to be taken off the list yet, Joss. These are exciting times for the Church. For the first time in my life the clergy are losing the battle to the laity. Siobhan McDonagh is not the only Catholic challenging members of the hierarchy in public. The Church belongs to us, not to the pathetic sexually-inhibited resentful priests and bishops.