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  1. That’s the great thing about introducing equality, it sends the bigots packing.

    1. good riddens

      1. Good RIDDANCE

    2. Widdershins 14 Feb 2013, 8:14pm

      My thoughts exactly!

  2. No mortal man has the right to redefine that which God has decreed

    They’re Mormons and they have so little knowledge of their own cult’s history as to make a statement like this? They don’t sound too bright to me.

    1. Indeed,

      And of they have no problem redefining local politics. ie, they got elected as Tories, now stand as Independents. I think this practice should be outlawed. If you’re elected as a particular party candidate, and you subsequently resign from the party, you should do the decent thing and stand down and allow for a by-election. If you want to be independent, that’s a decision that should be left to voters.

      Ever noticed how little these people actually care for those who voted them into power in the first place?

  3. Mike Homfray 13 Feb 2013, 2:02pm

    So I assume this means they don’t believe in civil marriage at all given that the State and not relIgionists organise that institution?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Feb 2013, 3:19pm

      They believe in it but they just don’t want us to have access to it. Even the roman cult acknowledges civil marriage as long as the couple aren’t catholic. What this entire opposition is all about is imposing a religious interpretation of marriage on civil marriage. They’re incapable of distinguishing the difference. If you listened to David Burrowes, Colin Hart and Sharon James yesterday in the committee hearing, you could hear it coming through in the one man one woman nonsense. James and Hart contributed nothing to the discussion other than preach their campaign agenda that had nothing to do with the amendments and clarification of the bill. They should have been disqualified from commenting. Burrowes wasn’t as caustic as he was last tuesday although he’s still a very delusional man.

  4. “No mortal man has the right to redefine that which God has decreed,” the two silly boys have said.

    Someone grab these two boys, give them a good shake, and try to get into their heads that there actually ISN’T any Great Pixie in the Sky called “God”, that it’s a figment of the imagination.

    So sad.

    There seem to be a lot of people in the Tory party who subscribe to these delusions.

    1. floridahan 13 Feb 2013, 3:50pm

      Eddy, you said, ” get into their heads that there actually ISN’T any Great Pixie in the Sky called “God”, that it’s a figment of the imagination.”

      And just how did you arrive at your belief?

      1. Tim Chapman 13 Feb 2013, 4:34pm

        Supporting Evidence, or in the total lack of it, plausibility.

        1. floridahank 13 Feb 2013, 4:56pm

          So I imagine Eddy did much research into Mormonism and into the concept of God in all history to refute it all and accepts that anything he doesn’t know about actually doesn’t exist. I doubt that he ever looked into Mormonism or studied any religious book to pick out the errors and flaws.

          1. There is no evidence for the existence of God. I am not an expert on what is claimed about the nature of pixies and have not ‘looked into their history’; however, this does not alter the fact that there is no reason to believe in them.

          2. Really, in the 21c, knowing as much about other, non-Western, cultures as we do, do we really have to embark on research to prove something doesn’t exist?!

  5. Ok . Now go back to America

    1. Yes, these two men are bigoted. But I should point out that England has had Mormons since the 19th century – they’re well-established in England. And, for the most part, they’re actually more moderate than American Mormons. Of course, considering that the U.S. Democratic Party is to the right of the British Conservative Party, that may not be saying terribly much…

    2. OH Please NO! We have enough of them as it is ! Anybody who believes they’re going to be a god when they die is B.S. Crazy! These folks are P. I. A. anyone who thinks wearing special underwear is going to save them from harm is not dealing with a full deck of cards IMHO.

  6. At this rate politics will be rid of its religion orientated bigots faster than an electoral vote ever could.

    This really is good news.

  7. Well I guess if they were true Mormons, they would have their 6-9 wives and 20-30 children. I would also try to think of any excuse to deny people some things if it might eat into my government support.

  8. GulliverUK 13 Feb 2013, 2:40pm

    Ummm, makes for an interesting conversation at the next job interview.

    And you resigned because …. ?

    Well, er, I’m a bigot and they said I couldn’t be so I had to resign.

    You do know we have an equal opportunities policy here which includes those who are LGBT?

    Oh bugger ! Damn those gays!

  9. These brothers religious belief system does not own state marriage. Nor doe their particular brand of religious belief have any right to prejudice against other religious belief systems that want to provide religious marriage for same sex couples.

    No matter how they try to spin it these brothers are bigoted and intolerant and particularly arrogant.

    1. floridahank 13 Feb 2013, 3:55pm

      Hey John, anyone who doesn’t agree with your position is “bigoted and intolerant and particularly arrogant.” At least they have some spiritual belief system, and aren’t either a pagan or an atheist. I’m glad to see you have tolerance in your life.

      1. Tim Chapman 13 Feb 2013, 4:44pm

        Bigot – noun – a person devoted to particular set of ideasor creed and dismissive towards others (Chambers).

        And exactly how is John intollerant? He doesn’t say they can’t believe what they like, he just says he thinks they’re wrong, and calls them what they are for doing so.

      2. Be serious. They expected the law under which others live to reflect their religious belief. That is, uh, bigoted.
        And what exactly makes them better than pagans or atheists? And you need to look up what ‘pagan’ means. It is not the antithesis of ‘spiritual’.

      3. “At least they have some spiritual belief system . . . “????

        Floridahank, can you provide one shred of evidence that there are spirits?

        For, without any shred of evidence that there are spirits, it is ludicrous, laughable, to have a “spiritual belief system”!

        Far better indeed to have a grounded, rational belief system, rooted in reality!

        Think about it.

  10. This would be the same cult (mormonism) that got one of its holy books from the bottom of a hat and had no qualms about changing its definition of marriage when the opportunity of statehood came up – how opportunistic – I await , not with bated breath, I may add when they, like another of those malignant so called Christian bodies the catholic cult find the funds and the bums on seats drying up for there to be another “revelation”

  11. David SK12 13 Feb 2013, 2:57pm

    Great stuff. This is the religious group who believed in polygamy. Though this of course was only 1 man + several women not 1 woman several men. The major part of the mormon community gave up poligamy to allow Utah to join the United States. Now that IS allowing politics to rule your religion.

  12. Sister Mary Clarence 13 Feb 2013, 2:58pm


  13. Garry Cassell 13 Feb 2013, 3:00pm

    You Mormon brothers…sorry to inform you…God had nothing to do with it…really seems like you too are married to each other..brothers and that is…shouln’t you be both expelled/banished from the mormom club/cult….

  14. As a progressive Mormon raised in a progressive Mormon family, I am constantly appalled by other Mormons who think “moderation” means “veer as far to the right as possible”. This poison of radicalism needs to cease. Fortunately, there are 14 million Mormons in the world, and I’d like to believe most actually try to practice moderation of some kind. Even my parents respected LGBT people as equals almost half a century ago, and they taught me to do the same. This is why I’m now a conscientious supporter of Mormon gay rights groups – Affirmation, Mormons for Marriage, Mormons Building Bridges, etc.

    1. “Fortunately, there are 14 million Mormons in the world . . . ”

      Dermot, 14 million people sadly and actually believing that imaginative fiction that that New Yorker Joseph Smith dreamed up in the 1820s is . . . 14 million people subscribing to a delusion, living their lives according to an unreality . . . and that is most unfortunate.

  15. oh dear, what a pity

  16. close the door on the way out. Don’t let the draught in.

  17. So long, adieu, auf wiedersehen, goodbye.

    The Book of Mormon, a book based on Jesus doing an American tour lol. He ‘had to be in America’ right? :D

  18. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Feb 2013, 3:13pm

    Good riddance. Who cares about councillors anyway? They have no real power. Another good thing coming from equal marriage, flushing out the deadwood. A very positive thing. Let’s hope more follow and hopefully some MPs. It’s interesting that no MP who voted no has resigned. I wonder why?

  19. really! Mormonism began with Joseph Smith Jr. who was born on Dec. 23, 1805, in Vermont. He was the fourth child of Lucy and Joseph Smith. Joseph senior was known as a money digger and sought after buried treasure, particularly that of Captain Kidd. His mother was highly superstitious
    Three years later, on Sept. 21, 1823, when he was 17 years old, an angel called Moroni, who was supposed to be the son of Mormon, the leader of the people called the Nephites who had lived in the Americas, appeared to him and told him that he had been chosen to translate the book of Mormon which was compiled by Moroni’s father around the 4th century. The book was written on golden plates hidden near where Joseph was then living in Palmyra, New York. Joseph Smith said that on Sept. 22, 1827 he received the plates and the angel Moroni instructed him to begin the translation process. The translation was finally published in 1830 as the Book of Mormon.

  20. They put the Moron back into the Mormon cult!

  21. Haven’t they seen the book of mormon ? Gayest thing in years.

    1. Tim Chapman 13 Feb 2013, 4:49pm

      Don’t say any more. I’ve got tickets. And I turn to jelly when I see/hear the delicious Gavin Creel!

  22. RESULT ;>) !

  23. Katie kool-eyes 13 Feb 2013, 4:08pm

    “not a political matter, but a religious one.” Bull, if that was the case then why do US citizens need to apply for a marriage license!

  24. One by one, religious bigots are looking increasingly moronic and isolated. The sooner those opposed to human rights equality pack up and take their hatred with them, the better.

  25. “The Conservative Party leadership’s proposals for ‘same-sex marriage’ is at odds with our personal position (as committed Christians) and belief in what traditional marriage is,” they said.

    So once again, what’s the Mormon definition of traditional marriage? Is it one man and one woman? I thought Mormon’s traditionally had one man and 3, 4, 5, 14 wives? Grant brothers, I think you should stop being hypocrites! Also stop claiming your 200 year old religion has always had a fixed definition of what traditional marriage is! ‘Traditional marriage’ is by and large a myth!

  26. Good riddance
    Though to imply religious opinion should have a say in the way we govern our society, earns him a virtual slap in the face.
    We do not form our social values based on superstitious nonsense. Nor should we. I am aware that we have twenty-odd bishops in the Lords, a fact of which I find appalling.
    Faith should be a private matter, and if you don’t like same sex marriage, don’t take part in one. I don’t like the Moron church, but I don’t seek to ban it, I just stay clear of it.
    As councellors you are supposed to represent all your constituents, that would include gay ones, and people outside the Moron church.

  27. stop throwing about the insults. These guys have views you and I do not share. They have taken difficult actions, at personal cost, to stick with their religeous views. I applaud them for doing what they think is the right thing – and I still don’t agree with their viewpoint.

    1. Hmmm. You applaud people who do crazy things, based on books of total nonsense? You really think there’s merit in that? You really think that that constitutes bravery? You believe grown adult men, and women, should get medals for believing in the most ridiculous gobbledegook?

      By your logic people suffering from severe paranoia, paranoid schizophrenics, who believe there are little men creeping about inside their attics, should be celebrated by society rather than being pitied and given appropriate psychiatric treatment.

      Think about it.

  28. And Parliament is no place for those that do not support Equality.

    Quite frankly, I am sick of hearing the religious arguement used as a basis against equality. Let us be clear, there are already two types of marriages in this country:
    A religious marriage; ruled by the church, in a church, with religious references etc.
    There is also Civil Ceremony or essentially State marriage. This is done everywhere that isn’t a church (between straight couples) and actually prohibits any kind of religious reference, even down to the music used throughout the ceremony. This type of marriage has nothing to do with the church and is governed by the laws of parliament.

    What is being sought out for change is the latter Civil Ceremony which is also reffered to as MARRIAGE, despite it having no religious meaning whatsoever! Those that do contract a Civil Ceremony are legally allowed to call themselves MARRIED. Whereas in a Civil Partnership we are not.

    1. It is the Civil Ceremony that the government are amending to allow homosexual couples to also partake. Since a Civil Ceremony has NOTHING to do with religion is totally unjustified to use it as an arguement against equal marriage rights especially when it has been made perfectly clear that religious bodies will not be changed by the change in the law.

  29. Mumbo Jumbo 13 Feb 2013, 7:28pm

    I for one welcome our new Thetan masters….

  30. David sk12 13 Feb 2013, 9:45pm

    Yes. These people have forgotten that they agreed to give up polygamy for purely political reasons. If they had stuck to their religious convictions Utah might never have become a state.

  31. “I am not homophobic but I oppose equal marriage” is just the same as saying “I am not racist but I oppose black people having the vote/sitting at the front of the bus/sharing the same diner”. Go back in time and live in 1950s Mississippi you Bigots!

  32. FRank Boulton 14 Feb 2013, 2:17pm

    “Same-sex marriage – as we, and many others see it – is an intrusion of politics into an area of sincerely held religious beliefs.”
    No, it’s quite the opposite. There are religious and non-religious groups and individuals, who are prepared to conduct same-sex marriages, which the law does not recognize. The new legislation will grant freedom of religion and ethical belief to even more people. The law isn’t interfering in religion here; it’s desisting from interfering.

  33. They only stay for the money … and quite hilarious to hear mormons mention traditonal marriage … considering their history of polygamy … that only officially ended in 1889 – but all mormons still believe in it … Theologically men can still have several wives – just not during this earthlife – if they could they would have a few harems each … No church has been more anti-gay …than the LDS Church (Mormons) …save The westboro baptist church …

  34. Randall13 Peasley 16 Feb 2013, 4:23am

    Bigots aren’t invited to the party, so out they go!

  35. Don Harrison 18 Feb 2013, 11:04pm

    They are using the Mononism as a cloak of the homophia

    1. Ashley DICKENSON 19 Feb 2013, 8:59am

      To be homophobic is one thing: to be against homosexual behaviour is another.
      Gays cannot be born, otherwise the Bible would not declare ‘You shall not lie with a man as with a woman, it is an abomination’ (Lev Ch 18 v 22)
      ‘Neither fornicators .. nor effeminate .. will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you but you are washed,you are sanctified, you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor Ch 6, v11). So there is hope and healing for those who wish to leave that lifestyle.

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