Imagine the outcry if DC hired a known racist or anti-semite. Well, they just wouldn’t.
We might be nearer legal equality, but socially, we have such a long long way to go.
Orson Scott Card is a bizarre guy. He may be homophobic, but he’s also extremely intelligent and philosophical. It’s like his brain is trying to destroy his upbringing but the programming is too strong.
being a mormon and also intelligent? not possible
Just to point out your bigotry, how about if we change the phrase. “Being LGBT and also intelligent? not possible”
Or how about “Being (insert a group name) and also intelligent? not possible.”
Some of the worlds worst bigots are liberals.
Me and the LGBT Dream Of Equality do not agree with this. we are not boycotting DC. By allowing this we are just as bad as the hater we are against.
“first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally.”
I wasn’t abused, raped, molested, except by religious types who abused, rapes and molested my self-esteem, well-being, rights and dignity.
Will we will some anti-gay Mormon superhero emerge? Weird choice for DC Comics.
“anti-gay Mormon superhero”
That’s what Superman has just become. Did you ever encounter any of the over the top “Archie” comics from the days when Evangelical Christians had the rights to the franchise? They read like a calmer version of Chick tracts, with Archie and the gang chirping out religious platitudes. Expect to see a lot of Mormon cosmology and morality cropping up in the comic.
So typical of liberals and the agressive LGBT community.
He doesn’t agree with me, so he should not have a job.
So typical of bigots to start whining when you try to take away (through economic power in this instance) their ‘right to discriminate’ others. So typical too, to phrase it in such a way that you create a suggestion of violence (aggressive, ooohhh). The violence is in the past and on the other foot, on the jackboot in fact, the same one you seem to be wearing now. LGBT’s have met with real violence by your hands for thousands of years, your ‘perceived’ harm here is a lie and shows you up to be just a big baby.
I was not advocating not hiring LGBT etc. I have no problem with equal rights in hiring or housing, but the LGBT has not right to DISCRIMINATE against people that do not agree with them.
If you are looking for nazi’s look in the mirror.
DC have cast themselves as liberal and gay-friendly- it’s hardly naziism to call them on it when they appear to go back on their word. Actually, as Jonah points out, OSC is a bizarre mix- a lot of his writing shows real compassion and intelligence- but he seems to have an equally real hang-up about sexuality.
DC may claim to be gay friendly, but they don’t come off well in their publications — I suspect that the “gay Green Lantern” was a marketing ploy — they killed off his boyfriend in the first issue and haven’t picked up that aspect of the character again (except for one short dream sequence). Most of the sympathetically handled gay characters are appearing in Marvel Comics — Shatterstar/Rictor, Wiccan/Hulkling, Northstar/Kyle.
Card has had one or two books in the past twenty years that were worth reading. Otherwise, they’ve gotten talky and self-indulgent. I’ve pretty much given up on him. Of course, his sucky politics made that easier.
As for boycotting DC or calling for Card’s dismissal — not something I’d do, but I’m not going to criticize those who feel strongly about it — they have a right to make their feelings known.
Yes Hunter, I agree Marvel are much better at it- I read them far more than DC anyway! ;-)
Being “gay friendly” does not mean that a company develops a hiring practice that excludes those that do not endorse the LGBT life. That is just as bigoted as saying that a company should not hire (insert the name of any group) because we disagree with their beliefs.
Wait, so in your mind, refusing to buy a comic book written by a man who hates you is discrimination.
Gee, entitled much?
This is silly. Sure i dont like the guy being homophobic but Im not going to say he should lose his job based on this.
If Superman comes out and says ” I hate gays, we killed all them on Keypton ” then ive a massive issue.
But he or his work doesnt have any connection to the dozen other DC comics I read so will I cancel my sub?
I cant hold a company responsible for one guys personal views if hes done nothing in an official capacity as an employee to express them.
To demand people lose jobs and suffer just based on views makes us no better than bigots. Actually it makes us worse as we proclaim to be better.
We have to remember many who support us may not overly like or agree with who, what we are or how we live but dont impose their views so live and let live resides. Would you have their company fire them for their private views ?
All we can do is if we dont like the guy dont buy the comic. We need to be rational and mature about this and not shout boycott.
Calling names, including “homophobic” and other pejorative terms is easy, but counterproductive to real communication and understanding. Mr. Card is in favor of defining marriage as only between one man and one woman. He is a Mormon, that is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as am I. However, before labeling him as anti-gay, I suggest you look at his “Homecoming Saga” and especially the charter named Zdorab. Cherry picking a few statements to ostracize anyone, especially a prolific author, is unfair. Of course it is a “free country” so do as you like.
Card’s relationship with homosexuality is complex. For example, did you eve read his novelization of Hamlet? In his version, Horatio murdered Hamlet’s father as an act of revenge for Hamlet’s father sodomizing him when he was a youth. Just about everyone who dies is a former victim of Hamlet’s father, all of them “made” gay as a result of being molested as children. Hamlet is manipulated to kill off or get his father’s victims killed, all the while thinking he’s avenging his father’s death. At the end, when Hamlet dies, he goes to Hell, where is father brags he will molest him for all eternity.
It’s a really twisted world. A pedophile runs rampant for decades, is murdered by one of his victims, tricks his son into killing off his victims in order to preserve his reputation, and then as a reward for all these evil acts, rapes his own son for all eternity.