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Local Conservative Party chairmen write to David Cameron to plead for a delay on same-sex marriage

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  1. ComRes seem to be focused solely on conducting polls that show people against same-sex marriage. Is there a deeper political influence at play here or just a coincidence that all the anti-gay marriage polling results seemingly emanate from ComRes?

    1. If you look at their Chief Executive Andrew Hawkins twitter feed they consistently produce the most anti-gay marriage poll results and he, perhaps coincidentally, follows a large number of Christian/evangelical groups on twitter. All I have to say is ‘Hmmmmmm’

    2. I’ve never been asked in ANY ComRes poll . . . or any poll at that . . .

      Indeed . . . did they do or ask the same questions with regards to polygamy to Mormons or Muslims (who can have up to 4 wives in the UK) . . . ? ? ?

      Some equality is required me thinks . . .

      1. “I’ve never been asked in ANY ComRes poll . . . or any poll at that . . . ”

        People often say this about polls. The thing is, you usually only need to sample a pretty small number of people (around about 1000) to get a good indication of public opinion, provided that your sampling method is roughly equally likely to reach everyone in the population. A common analogy is that if you want to find out how hot a cup of coffee is, you only need to take a small sip provided that the temperature is the same throughout. The pollsters tend to combine several polls into one, so they might only contact, say, a couple of thousand people a week, so you should only expect them to contact you once every few decades or centuries. Anthony Wells’s website has a good explanation of all this at

    3. A more appropriate name would be CatholiComRes.

      Does that clear it up for ya?

    4. I don’t think there is anything sinister going on here. Organisations tend to stick with the same pollster, and all of these Evangelical and Catholic pressure groups seem to have close links – it shouldn’t really be that surprising if they all use ComRes.

      The thing that does concern me is that the big pollsters seem far to happy for their clients to ask wildly misleading or useless questions, when it is obvious that they intend to misrepresent the results.

  2. If Dave hesitates on this issue now it will do far more damage than showing leadership, as he has so far, and getting this through. I am quite convinced that the conservative party (minus some dinosaurs) will benefit from this in the medium to longer term.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Feb 2013, 9:47pm

      He’s not going to hesitate or cave in. If anything, it’s going to embolden him to get it done and passed on tuesday and hopefully get a few more to vote yes. The opposition is clearly out of control. This is nothing more than an act of hopeless desperation on their part, going nowhere.

  3. Craig Denney 3 Feb 2013, 6:50pm

    Who and which Conservative Party Associations?

    1. Craig Denney 3 Feb 2013, 7:04pm

      Geoffrey Vero, chairman of the Conservative association in Surrey Heath and former chairman of Somerton and Frome Conservative Association Edmund Costelloe.

      1. …and you guessed it…

        An Edmund Costelloe is associated with the Catholic Church in Frome. Could it be the same one?

        If so, quel bloody surprise!

  4. Shawn Bruffett Elessawy 3 Feb 2013, 6:58pm

    So basically, it’s more important to grow the “Conservative Party” and Cater to Religious Groups than it is to ensure Equal Rights for All…

  5. Robert (Kettering) 3 Feb 2013, 7:00pm

    Ditch the Chairmen I say and good riddance to them! Remember these are the self same “types” who would have strongly opposed the Abolition of Slavery and Votes for Women.

    They are reactionary Toffs to a man and woman and the Conservative Party is better without them if it’s to appeal to the vast majority of liberal thinking people in this country.

  6. Note to Staff Writer

    s. Chairman
    pl. Chairmen

    As for story, they’ll get over themselves eventually.

  7. Cowardly scumbags. More concerned about thier jobs than supportng equality. Whether or not the vote goes ahead,I hope thier constituents will refrain from voting for them at the next election.

  8. This was the headline on the BBC. Yet again, they’re headlining opposition to EM and not balancing it with comments from a pro-equality person or one of the many MPs who are in favour of EM. It’s really annoying me.

    And if another bl**dy person tells me ‘no gay people want to get married’ I think I’ll explode!

    As the Comres poll said that 70% of adults support the marriage of one woman, one man FOR LIFE, perhaps they’d better start campaigning against divorce, eh?

  9. The BBC report had an opposing view from the young conservatives. They say their membership has grown, partly because of the Gay Marriage debate. and their membership is overwhelmingly in favour. An interesting example of the generational divide on this issue. Makes me think that euthanasia would not be a bad option for the Tory’s :D

    As for ComRes. They are not polsters. They represent the views of the Christian right and a large slice of their income comes from them. This shows the danger of political lobby groups. They should be banned. How many Tory MP’s have been wined and dined to get them to change their vote on this issue. Time this practice was made illegal.

  10. Craig Denney 3 Feb 2013, 7:58pm

    Today they also launched a website called “Conservative Grass Roots” along with their letter to the prime minister and do you know how many hit’s that website has received today?


  11. Craig Denney 3 Feb 2013, 8:09pm

    Today they also launched a website called “Conservative Grass Roots” along with their letter to the prime minister and do you know how many hit’s that website has received today?


    1. Try doing a whois search on the website DNS…

      Note the Address… 8 Wiseton Road Sheffield

      Google “8 Wiseton Road Sheffield Web design” Company result:

      View Portfolio tab: The client group gives it all away…

      Bored yet? Try the relevant twitter accounts under “who we are”…

      No questions around the kind of people who commissioned this company!

      Grassroots? My arse! or to quote Jim Royle:

      “I wasn’t speaking ill of the dead, I was speaking about you, the living bloody dead!”

      Nuff said!

      1. Craig Denney 4 Feb 2013, 2:34am

        That’s great Martyn, check out their site further here:

  12. Lukefromcanada 3 Feb 2013, 8:10pm

    what exactly is adequate debate and consultation? indefinite? or is there at least a reasonable time limit say 10 years, this would be too soon in their minds

  13. Well, I guess now is as good as time as any to clear the convervative party of its bigots. They can always migrate to UKIP any bask in their short shelf life homophobic attitudes…

    …and while we’re at it the conservative evangelical bigots can create their own homophobic party and see how far that gets them… Clue: Precisely nowhere!

    As for comres, Warren Buffet sums it up nicely: “A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought.”

  14. bobbleobble 3 Feb 2013, 8:29pm

    These people clearly have no clue about politics. The last thing any of them should want is for this to be an issue come election time in 2015. It’ll become a major issue of contention and whilst the Tories rip themselves to shreds over it Labour and the Lib Dems will appear united.

    These idiots should be hoping and praying that this gets sorted ASAP. That way people will have forgotten about it by 2015 and it’ll be one less stick for UKIP to beat them with. These people who are still local chairmen should be removed immediately due to their complete lack of political nous.

  15. nothing like nailing the bigot flag to the mast – how any gay man can vote tory whilst views like this still prevail in the party staggers me!

  16. To any right-minded person this letter will only serve to strengthen the resolve if those in favour of equality. These clearly bigoted signees have no case but to keep saying they don’t like the idea of gays being equal.

  17. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Feb 2013, 9:15pm

    According to the Sunday Telegraphy, 180 Conservative MPs, including six whips and up to four members of the cabinet, are ready to defy the prime minister’s plan to legalise gay weddings.

    I wouldn’t give the Comres poll too much credence. It reports 70% of the British public are against equal marriage, whereas an IPSOS Mori poll in December 2012 indicated 73% were for it. Comres also says 20% who voted conservative in 2010 won’t be voting for them in 2015. Hardly a staggering number is it?

    If the economy were in tip top condition, jobs plentiful and equal were in the manifesto in stead of in the Contract for Equalities, these same bigots still would want it delayed until after 2015 or ditched altogether. Do they think we’re that stupid, least of all Cameron and all of those voting for the legislation on tuesday?

    1. I wouldn’t take any notice of the 180 figure in the Sunday Telegraph.

      They’ve just picked a figure out of the air to suit their anti-gay bias.

      If really they had anything like 180 names, they’d publish the whole lot.

    2. bobbleobble 3 Feb 2013, 10:39pm

      They’re up to 200 now at the Telegraph in an article about the new Archbigot of Canterbury. I wouldn’t put too much faith in their numbers and I suspect large numbers of Tories will actually stay away.

  18. ComRes = bias

  19. Typical anti-gay conservative tactic. When the votes are in your favor and the momentum is on your side, jam legislation through as quickly as possible with as little debate as possible but when the votes are not in your favor and the momentum is on the other side, STALL, DELAY, CONFUSE, DISTRACT and DEMAND A SLOW DOWN!

    That’s the way it is in America. It seems that some things are universal!

  20. Jen Birch 3 Feb 2013, 9:56pm

    And what about my right to an equal level of respect for my relationship? I want to say marriage vows and promise fidelity. My CP vows were a legally binding commitment but the vows I made sounded like a business rather than a life long love story.

  21. Only the very old and the very religious oppose Equal Marriage.

    Cameron can safely ignore both groups because they are not the people that the Tories need to cultivate a strong base for the future.

    If you look at the photo of the delegation posing outside No.10, it’s doubtful how many of them will be around to see the next election, let alone the one in 2019 / 2020.

    Similarly, the census shows that Christianity fell dramatically from 72% in 2001 to 59% in 2011. They will be a minority by 2018 / 2019 if this rate of decline continues. Given all their child abuse cases and their wild hate claims about Equal Marriage, this rate may well increase.

    In contrast, those stating ‘No Religion’ rocketed from 15% to 25% (7.7 million to 14million).

  22. That There Other David 3 Feb 2013, 10:55pm

    I don’t get why this is considered a story. Why didn’t the BBC report on the 500+ constituency chairmen that didn’t sign this letter?

    Also, looking at the pictures they’re a bunch of old white men from the Shires. We know they’re against the proposals already, so does David Cameron.

    1. Robert (Kettering) 4 Feb 2013, 12:34am

      Precisely, I looked at the old codgers as they paraded at Number Ten and thought, “what a bunch of toffy nosed bigots”. Hardly representative of the ordinary man. They looked to be aged from 80 to death! Just popped out of their Clubs in Mayfair after a couple of Gins before summoning their chauffers to bring the Bentley’s round.


  23. I do surveys online for nectar points, and three out of four surveys I get bounced out of because I am ineligible – apparently because I am a female aged mid-30s in the north-east and they don’t want any more of those. I just bet if a com-res survey came up I’d be bounced out for agreeing with SSM and wouldn’t get my nectar points! The whole concept of surveys is biassed. Whether its something important or something stupid like prefered brand of fizzy pop they skew the results.

  24. “Dear Prime Minister,

    We write to you as a body of long serving activists and volunteers of the Conservative Party with deep concern about the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill…”

    All I heard was ‘blah blah conservative blah blah concern about marriage equality blah blah we’re homophobes and we’ll listen to others as long as they agree with everything we say”.

    I don’t even need to read this article to know that those conservative religious nuts just want to spread their hate. Id i were the British prime minister, I’d just chuck the letter in the bin. End of discussion.

  25. Cameron is not a fool, and this haste is no accident. He wants to settle the matter so that it is not an issue in 2015. Marriage equality will not go away if he delays the matter. But if he moves on it with alacrity then he shall have two years until the election to refocus the political conversation on the economy and Europe. He does not want to be dogged by this one issue, nor does he want to risk letting Labour use it to rally the left.

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