I take it that he is aware that the numerous pieces of correspondence he has received are born of orchestrated opposition from certain religious groups? Does he believe that we live in some sort of theocracy?
I was wondering that too, Ray123. If anyone’s in his constituency perhaps they could make sure he *does* know. UNchristian Concern and their cronies have sent out email after email egging people on to write to their MP, and even providing a silly proforma thing with all the ‘reasons’ against EM.
Mind you, if it was the other way round and he’d received lots of letters from LGBT people, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ignored them. I noticed his phrase:
“the need to protect British values” !!!!!
What? From LGBT people??! Nice.
Well, you have to admit, the religious and non religious nutters have been the loudest and darned well organised, whereas our side hasn’t. Just take StonewallUK. What exactly has it been doing prior to, during and after the consultation thus far? F_ck all! Aside from Lynne Featherstone, there hasn ‘t been on MP in favour who has dared to counter any of the bigoted bullies on the right even though Lynne carefully measured her words to not offend any of them, little good that it did. The opposition is now at fever pitch pulling out all the stops to thwart the vote on Tuesday. Let’s hope they get their comeuppance, blow the f_ckers out of the water.
Here’s the perspective of an American: you will win, but it will be a matter of limping across the finish line. You could have won a powerful victory, claiming a majority of all the major parties. That would have required some effort – some actual work and some passion. It would have sent a message around the world – to Australia and Germany and many other nations – that the time for equality had come. Instead, your orgs, such as the useless Stonewall, were lazy and apathetic. The result is not one of the major parties felt compelled to whip the vote and there will be only a minority vote from the Conservatives in favour. This sends a message to the rest of the world that marriage equality is still a divisive issue and that conservative parties in particular should steer clear.
I really think you should ask yourselves what you care about and how you can have self-respect when you don’t particularly care how your government and your society sees you and your relationships.
Well said and some very good points.
Perhaps it’s a relic of our class system (all countries have them including some that prefer to think they don’t)that we are not good with mass protest or demonstration.
Nor are we good at taking what we want, rather waiting for it to be given, and then reluctantly.
A sticking point in the UK is the presence of unelected bishops of the established church in one of our parliaments debating chambers; and yes till some unelected peers.
Until that basic situation is addressed/removed then any issue that dents their precocious feelings will end up becoming nothing more than a wartered down compromise.
Yes, and don’f forget the catholics are having their 1m postcard campaign today which will end up on MPs doormats on the morning of the vote. We have been poorly organised C4EM only has around 65,000 signatories whilst C4M has ten times that.
C4EM has one zillionth of C4M’s budget… and do you seriously believe all those C4M sigs are valid?
That begs the question: why? Do gay people not care enough to donate to C4EM? In the United States last year, there were 5 states which voted directly on the issue of marriage equality and in each of the 5 states there was an expensive campaign which preceded the vote. In every state, the pro-equality side raised far more money than the anti-equality side. The pro-equality side had a wider donor base, more volunteers, and more and better media. We won 4 out of 5 of those states. Perhaps if UK gays would put down the beer and get off your arses, you might move more MPs in your direction and win a strong victory. What happens in the UK will impact the whole world, so it would behoove you to develop a sense of responsibility for gay people other than yourselves.
Hear hear. The equal marriage campaign in the US has been tremendous. I was very impressed when I was approached in Soho (NYC) while working there last year. They were charming and organized and I donated.
Perhaps British Gays did not put up such a fight because we a) already have equal rights in the eyes of the law and b) we were reasonably confident this legislation will get through. Those if you in the US are possibly many years away from federal recognition.
He’s obviously not THAT progressive . . .
What a fucking asshole. He isn’t a Progressive conservative — he’s a gay bashing bigot. You teach the realities of gay adult relationships in schools the same ways that you teach the realities of heterosexual adult relationships. Fear mongering over “how it will be taught in the schools” is hateful — as if you could not possibly tell a child about love, without showing them a pornographic film. Gay people’s love is no more pornographic than is heterosexual people’s love. Ellwood is obnoxious and full of himself. Welcome to the 21st century, asshole, where enlightened human beings do not demonize gays or keep them as second-class citizens.
Well he’s chosen to define progressive in a way that let’s him use the epithet without actually living up to its meaning. When you actually read what he writes you can clearly tell he’s no such thing.
He’s voting against because 100 or so of his constituents (so he says) have asked him to. He’s voting against because an unknown number of gay people have (so he says) told him they’re ambivalent to the matter. And he’d voting against because he’s worried about schools although it’s not clear what that means or why he should worry. Of course he’s not voting against for any of those reasons, those are just the ones chosen from the list of nonsense arguments that he’s chosen to select.
Future generations will piss on his grave.
Typical bigoted comment.Anyone gets abuse or death threats if they don’t agree with the perverted gay agenda.
“Phagger”, why are you on here if you aren’t gay?
Don’t worry, Ellie…
Phagger will be going soon, matron is taking him back to his room…
she’ll make sure that he doesn’t get out again!
Well, at this bigot doesn’t use that tired old lie about not being homophobic. Not once.
Progressive? Really? And you do not feel the need for equal respect?
Has NEVER voted for equal rights. Admittedly he only got in during the 2005 election, but he doesn’t feel we should have protections in the supply of goods and services, etc., because he did not vote for that, when he could so easily have done so.
So, NOT progressive.
Also a liar. PN own polls, and the massive number of people who contacted the government in favor show that maths isn’t his thing. Plus there is overwhelming support in the polls.
Also, if you have no seen this, it’s the research paper for MPs, 64pages, a briefing guide for next Tuesday.
“Secondly, having spoken to a number of people in the gay community to ask if there is a call for same sex marriage, views were mixed and mostly ambivalent.”
I strongly suspect that’s to do with the way the question was posed.
If you asked a cross section of straight couples whether or not they wanted to get married, some would say yes, some would say no, and others would be on the fence.
If you ask them whether straight marriage should be allowed AT ALL that’s a slightly different question and you’d more than likely get a very different answer.
The question is not what percentage of gay couples want to get married but whether or not they should be given the choice.
I get the sense he’s conflating the two.
And he doesn’t get to label himself ‘progressive’, that’s for the voters to decide..
Most of these retards are in safe constituencies that its expedient for them to vote no to appease religious and non-religious bigots since they have been the loudest in this entire debate. Here again, this is where StonewallUK should have intervened long ago, but didn’t. A lot of the hateful rhetoric might have been diminished had it done so. It ought to shut down after this, it’s really not been proactive in the equal marriage debate from day one.
F_ck him, bigoted scumbag. He’s not progressive by any stretch of the imagination not when you kow-tow to regressive religious retards.
You have to laugh at these people. They claim there is no call for equal marriage and gays he’s talked to are ambivalent. How many I wonder?
Here again, religious bigots getting the upper hand. Now they’re using the tax breaks for married couples as a red herring. Do they really think we believe that some backbenchers would vote for equal marriage if tax breaks for married couples were on the table? I think not, f_cking liars.
I agree with you, but your choice of words could loose us support
Yes, I usually agree with Robert in S. Kensington, but now his somewhat ripe language is starting to spoil his arguments !
Once in a while, you have to interject or resort to a bit of ‘ripe’ language considering what the opposition has been dishing us for the past year, tantamount to bullying and bullying MPs into submission. Sometimes you have to beat them over the head with the dreck they’ve been serving since time immemorial.
No Sir, responding in kind just brings you down to their level ! :-(
To an outsider, it’s just like coming across a couple of yobs brawling ‘hammer and tongs’ on the ground. You don’t care who is right, you don’t stop to find out, you just want to bang their heads together… ‘A plague on both your houses !’
You can only defeat the bigots by having a better reasoned argument, not by going nuclear with four-letter words !
Yes, dear, we right and proper ladies don’t lake language lake that, do we? We are prim and proper and, at the end of the day, spineless and good for fighting for NOTHING!
LIAR!!! You got calls and emails from me to vote in favour of same sex marriage >.<
Given the age of the majority of his constituents, I suspect most of the comments he received were via a Ouija board.
The old “all the gay people I’ve spoken to don’t want marriage” argument. Even if this were true – and that’s a big IF when politicians refer to nebulous sources, there are some gay peope who DO want it, evidently. Surely then, the just and right way to vote is in favour of equality so that those gay people he’s talked to who don’t want marriage can carry on not being married, whereas the rest of us can exercise our equality? But then, that’s not the real reason he’s voting against at all, is it?
Of course he has received a lot of anti mail. He’s the MP for Eastbourne – that tells its own story.
Plus, if you are careful about whom you ask, you can get the result you want.
One of two for Bournemouth actually but close enough and the point still stands. The MP for Eastbourne is a Lib Dem and is voting in favour according to C4EM.
I’m not a racist but I’m voting against mixed race marriage (read the bible)
Nasty Party Tory Apparatchik – let’s hope he is sidelined and that his political career doesn’t progress.
I suspect the only gay person he has spoken to is Connor Burns the MP for the other Bournemouth seat who’s so ashamed of his own sexuality that he originally said he’s voting against but is now equivocating on the matter.
One thing that has surprised me though is there are a few gay MPs who’ve yet to make a decision according to C4EM including Alan Duncan, Gordon Marsden and Nick Brown. What are they playing at?
Every time a Conservative uses the “not in our manifesto” excuse they should be challenged on whether they voted for changes to the NHS
Most Tories did vote for the changes even though there was nothing about it in their manifesto. The BBC has been very remiss in not challenging a string of Conservative MPs who are using the “not in our manifesto” argument to bolster their anti-equality position.
Plus, the conservative party although it won the election by a very small margin didn’t get a mandate to govern either. WIthout the Liberal Democrats, theywouldn’t be able to do anything. Even if it were in the manifesto, do any of us really believe it would have made any difference? They would still vote against it and we know why don’t we?
No it wouldn’t have made any difference, look at what’s going on in France at the moment and Hollande was very clear in his election manifesto about his plans. If it had been priority number one the Churches would still be in revolt and so would these MPs. Plus House of Lords reform was in the Tory Manifesto and it didn’t stop the backbenchers killing that off either.
“In my view it is clear that there is no call from society for these changes to be made today.”
Hang on, since he’s a Tory I thought he believed there wasn’t any such thing as society? I’d be careful about assuming that those voices in your head are coming from God, Tobias;)
“I am naturally a progressive Conservative….”, no he’s not he’s just another “polite” homophobic bigot not wanting to offend. His type make me want to throw up!
I wonder if he has “gay friends”.
A gazillion of them of course, they all do. Just like the gazillions of gays they claim don’t want equal marriage.
Now then perhaps the true colours of the Tory party are finally opening peoples eyes.
They are still the same nasty party they have always been no matter how much gloss the leadership tries to put on.
so much for democracy? putting the views of organised church first, instead of your electorate, is an abomination. so spake the word of a gawd… allegedly 8
i’d put it to mr ellswad that making vows to his absent god and wholly-holies is not in the nasty party’s manifesto. cretin! no wonder nobody votes these days… allegedly 8
Sorry, but progressive conservative is an oxymoron
Ignoring the bigotry I don’t see why (apparent) apathy is justification to vote against a bill. I think those on the right of the Tory party (and some religious nuts in other parties) are just looking for and finding lame excuses. On the plus side i guess it means ‘My God dislikes the gayers’ is now a busted flush for an excuse, both sides of the Atlantic. Progress, in a sense.
But we all know we’ll return to this issue in four, five years time and the same retrospective apologies will come as they did with Section 28, age of consent, adoption, civil partnerships etc. Nobody who opposes gay marriage can think they’re not on the wrong side of history, surely.
This guy is my MP by the way, so it’s doubly disappointing
Good one DAVE.
Actually – when asked whether they would re-organise the NHS in April 2010- David Cameron said “The last thing the NHS needs is a top-down re-organisation”
NOTHING in their manifesto!
……..and yet another bigot who does not think he is a bigot…..#Selfdelusional
Kick one they all frigin limp!!
“Should gay couples be allowed to marry?”
That’s one of The Big Questions on BBC One at 10am this morning.
I think the claim that the Conservatives no longer have homophobic leanings is looking sillier by the day
Homophobic, evil bigot! end of! His quote actually reminds me of reading of a “progressive” republican in the 1960s , who was anti bi-racial marriage in southern usa.
Are you sure he wasn’t a Democrat? The party did split over civil rights issues in the late 1940s. Of course bigotry knows no party lines.
Tobias you are a regressive silly man for opposing marriage equality. I hope you are defeated in the next election.
Pompous humbug. Since when does there have tob a ‘call from society’ for elected politicians to implement changes? Who was calling for the huge carve-up of the NHS being imposed by this government with no mention in its election manifesto? It’ s the usual politico-speak – if they don’t want to do something but don’t want to admit their prejudices it’s ‘not being called for by society’; if they want to do something they might get flack for it’s ‘taking a brave lead’.
“Like many Conservatives, I believe that marriage is one of the most important institutions we have. The principles of long-term commitment and responsibility which underpin it bind society together and make it stronger.”
So you seek to weaken it by denying that same institution to a substantial number of people based purely on their sexuality because it makes YOU feel uncomfortable?
I worry about where our society is going with people like that in charge…
Does this Bigot really represent his constituents – This is another MP who ignores the human rights of people he dislikes and revels in his own hatred –
Intolerance is a human crime.
No one has picked up on his phrase “the need to protect British values”. He uses it as a definition of Conservatism and by implication a reason for not voting for Gay Marriage. Isn’t it wonderful how these people think? Having heterosex and wanting heterosexual marriage are British, other variations are not. And presumably even within the definition of heterosex there are some (filthy foreign) practices that are not British either. – He probably thinks it’s all the fault of those bloody Greeks!
Ellswood should hang his head in shame for being more in tune with the BNP on this issue than the Conservatoive front bench. But if what he says about his postbag is also true then any of his gay electors in a town with a large gay population who haven’t written to him urging his support for this legislation should also be ashamed. Its not too late – email him now citizens of Bournemouth and set him right!
What I want to know is he top or bottom and has he been rode by Chris Bryant? There’s a coalition I’d happily keep clear of.
If there hadn’t been such apathy and complacency among gay voters to contact their MPs, perhaps a few more bigots might have evolved. We’re not organised and I put part of the blame on StonewallUK for doing next to nothing to counter the spurious claims and lies since the consultation closed.
Absolutely. The guys at C4EM have done a sterling job but they shouldn’t have had to. Stonewall have really let us down on this.
I can’t speak to the situation with StonewallUK, but I think unfortunately for many people not contacting your MP is less about complacency and more about the virtual certainty that they will completely ignore your arguments and send back a press release regurgitated from party HQ.
I have spent weeks of back-and-forth with politicans before and they do not listen. Representative democracy seems to be an illusion. Every one of these bigots who claim they are ‘listening to their constituents’ are only too happy to ignore them when it suits.
We did get a good response to the consultation – I think that that changed some minds about allowing the religious opt-ins.
11.30am Tuesday 5 February: BBC Parliament: Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill – Second reading.
Looking forward to it? Digital recorder at the ready!
I’ll be watching although I can’t say I’m looking forward to it! I’ll probably have to spend half the time stopping my boyfriend from smashing up the tv and the rest restraining myself!
This is a truly pathetic man disguising his prejudice in soft words. Progressive Tory my arse. “marriage is one of the most important institutions we have”. Thanks for telling us.
Firstly, he is worried about bigoted teachers being unable to continue as they are.
Secondly, where are all these ambivalent Gays? I don’t know any. How many did he question in his careful research of a few self-loathing Dorothies at the office?
Finally, so Bournemouth is full of bigots who are nasty enough to put pen to paper about something that will have no practical effect on them whatsoever. These are the easily identifiable RC Disgusteds of Tunbridge Wells who would have objected to legalization of homosexuality, equal age of consent, civil partnerships and racial integration!
I have known Toby for nearly 30 years, and I can say he is not a bigot and certainly not a homophobe , what he sadly lacks is political courage, His constituents are largely ill- informed fearful older Britons and he dares not cross them.
Being absent from votes relating to LGBT issues since being elected, to me that clearly states that he has issues with voting in favour.
He needs to grow a pair and quite frankly, until he starts voting on important issues such as this, he will always be seen as a homophobe.
I don’t care how nice he is to children and animals, or what sweet words he says about the Gays. Every vote against equality (or deliberate abstention) is from a homophobe.
How much did Tobias pay you to stick up for him I wonder?
“Secondly, having spoken to a number of people in the gay community to ask if there is a call for same sex marriage, views were mixed and mostly ambivalent”
In other words, he MAY have spoken to about three bitter people who have said that they don’t agree with it.
The man clearly has issues with LGBT folk, why else would he be absent from other LGBT votes?
dictionary for Mr Ellswood ,
now look up the word progressive ..you knob !
So Mr Ellwood doesn’t approve of two people of the same sex getting married, but a man being unfaithful to his wife is ok? I think, if he reads this, Mr Ellwood will know what I am referring to.
I cannot stand Mr Ellwood – he is a hypocrite and a liar out for what he can get.
I hope he loses every single gay vote in Bournemouth. Foul, bigoted low life money-grabbing con man. His wife is the same, “money and me”, I heard her on the radio a few years ago moaning about the fact she has to do work as an MPs wife and not get paid for it. Diddums.
Trying to decide which is worse Tobias or Conor Burns who is so disgusted and ashamed of his own sexuality he won’t support the views and rights of other gay people. What a callow lot these Tories are. I hope they both lose their seats next time I really do. Repulsive.