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Two-thirds of Tory MPs could refuse to back same-sex marriage bill says MP David Burrowes

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  1. With C4EM (the good guys!) web site already showing 109 Tories against equal marriage, this twerp’s comment that at least 100 of his mates will not support the Bill is hardly Mystic Meg-like foresight.

    Even if 200 Tories vote against it, the Bill will still pass. Frankly, who gives a toss?

    1. Quite right. And the most they could get is 198, even if every current undeclared MP voted against. In reality, going by the current proportions it’s more likely to be about 150 for and 154 against, in other words the party is split almost right down the middle.

      And yeah, the magic number we needed for the bill to pass was 318 and we’re now at 354 so the no side can’t win at this point. At least, not unless they can persuade a whole load of MP’s to change their minds, hence their current campaign of bombarding MP’s with postcards/letters.

      1. Useful to have the figures.


    2. This Tory might well give u one !

      (a toss)

      1. #this ‘ive you one’ comment was meant for Sasha ! Thoug i don’t doubt the MP is quite erm, obliging !

  2. We’re gonna win … and there’s gonna be a lot more wins around the World from here on in!!!

    These dinosaurs are on a losing streak and the sun is setting on their bigoted views!

  3. Mike Homfray 1 Feb 2013, 11:56am

    I think there could be a lot of abstention on the Tory side

    1. bobbleobble 1 Feb 2013, 12:24pm

      I think you’re right along with a fair few absentees. But the good thing is that neither an absent nor an abstention count as a vote against and Mr Davies’s estimate of a majority of 300-400 begins to look like a realistic prospect.

      However, I would love for Burrowes to be proved wrong just to wipe that smug grin off his face.

  4. A great opportunity here for opponents of equality to out themselves.
    Where it’s a Tory safe seat, that probably doesn’t concern them. Where the seats aren’t so safe, voters would do well to consider that bigotry is seldom limited to just one target. If these MPs oppose equality for gay people, they probably oppose it for others as well – although, of course, they’ll try and dress it up as “well, you already have X, so there’s no need to change anything.”

  5. Keith Francis Farrell 1 Feb 2013, 12:29pm

    I wonder if he will realize he is on the wrong side and will resign his pot as MP. I am sure that he enjoys the money he earns as a MP but I think his days as an MP are numbered. I would hope that I am right. We are all equal and should have the same rights,

  6. Robert (Kettering) 1 Feb 2013, 12:30pm

    Burrows should be ashamed of himself. He’s not an old and crusty Tory like many who are against. We will win EM in the end though it will be a fight.

    With so many enlightened countries voting for EM, including many Roman Catholic countries, the UK will just look out of touch. Also, if as I suspect Scotland approves it the rest of the UK (excluding Northern Ireland) will have to fall in line or we’ll just look plain stupid.

    1. No he is just a silly evangelical christian afraid of his and other men’s willies!

  7. That There Other David 1 Feb 2013, 12:40pm

    LOL. Yeah, you carry on believing that Mr. Burrowes. The man’s deluded.

  8. We have the massive catholic postcard campaing this weekend. Just read the crap on the Salford diocese webpage about it.
    Some jumped up priest is giving the idea that a cardinal in Westminister stopped abortion being passed in 1940s by threatening to call the Irish catholic nurses out of hospitals and the government backed down. They really do believe they can stop this!

    1. That There Other David 1 Feb 2013, 1:12pm

      It’s hilarious really. Even if the anecdote about the cardinal is true how did the Catholic protests against the equalising the age of consent, civil partnerships and equality protections go again? Or all those protests in Spain, Portugal etc? Times have changed, even if the people inside the Vatican can’t bear to admit it.

      Burrowes isn’t a Catholic BTW. He’s an Anglican deluded fool, rather than an RC one.

  9. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2013, 12:52pm

    It’s another act of desperation to instill fear in the waiverers. If it’s good enough for waiverer Baroness Warsi after having a meeting with Maria Miller regarding those ‘safeguards’ Burrowes is ranting on about, then this is nothing more than a red herring. The entire bill will be debated on tuesday including the safefguards, but of course, these blowhards still won’t be satisfied. They’re taking their marching orders from C4M, the CoE and the Roman cult. A lot of this hateful rhetoric and foolishness might have abated had StonewallUK done it’s job and intervened, but it didn’t. The religionists have been riding rough shod with the help of the Dailiy Telegraph, Mail and BBC for an entire year without any backlash against them and most of the supportive MPs haven’t had the courage to go after them because they fear being labelled anti-religion and against freedom thereof. They’re as much to blame. Let’s hope Burrowes et al get the comeuppance on tuesday.

  10. Brett Gibson 1 Feb 2013, 12:52pm

    So fuck? This bill WILL pass, regardless of what some prissy Oxbridge guys think.

    1. That There Other David 1 Feb 2013, 1:15pm

      Not all of the MPs against the proposals went to Oxbridge. Burrowes went to Exeter, for example.

      1. Brett Gibson 2 Feb 2013, 12:48am

        It was a generalisation….and I think you got my point.

    2. Surely there are prissy Oxbridge chaps on both sides…

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2013, 1:41pm

    Meanwhile, his felllow Tory Helen Grant, MP for Maidstone, Kent said she is a god-fearing person, a regular church-going Anglican who believes equal marriage is consistent with her christian beliefs and is voting yes. Let’s hope a lot more like her come forward on tuesday. Perhaps Burrowes should ask her about those contentious safeguards he’s banging on about. Obviously, Ms. Grant doesn’t think there is anything to worry about.

  12. Gay Activist Paul Mitchell 1 Feb 2013, 2:37pm

    The bill should pass with amendments. The amendments should include automatic conversion of current civil partnerships to civil marriages, include adultery and include consummation that is inline with what heterosexuals have.

    First Point:
    Equality comes with equal responsibilities and obligations!

    Second Point:
    Not all couples want to marry (gay or straight), the very fact is we should have the legal and constitutional right to CHOOSE to marry!

  13. Janet Lameck 1 Feb 2013, 2:52pm

    Sounds like they want to lose their seats and have the party collapse! Don’t forget JERK we vote!

  14. I’ve never voted Tory although David Cameron’s evident support of gay marriage almost made me change my mind. Idiots like Burrowes and Hammond remind me of the homophobia that is still rampant in the party and I’ve never forgotten Section 28 which put acceptance of gays and lesbians back decades.

    1. Brett Gibson 2 Feb 2013, 12:51am

      Don’t be fooled into voting for this party. Don’t forget, just because their leader is showing some kindness towards gay people, doesn’t cover the fact that the majority of their party still dislikes gay people and say next term we get another leader, one who isn’t so gay friendly – what then? Vote Labour.

  15. Obviously these ‘rebels’ are not concerned about their political prospects. Cameron is a staunch supporter of equality. By voting ‘no’, these bigots are effectively defying their leader. Good riddance, I say ….

  16. Staircase2 1 Feb 2013, 10:44pm

    …I thought he was gay no…?

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