Was talking about marriage the other day on facebook and just saying how, you know, I did want to marry my fiance and never felt comfortable with the idea of a CP.
Cue an older colleague of mine, who is in a CP, telling me how I’m wrong to be focusing on marriage, HIV is more important, how I don’t talk for the whole of the gay community and that CPs are better because they’re different – who’d want to be like the straights?
What a stupid view. It’s about choice.
I’m asking for it to be made fair – those who want marriage can have it, those who want CP can have that…whilst gay people opposing it are basically saying “I don’t want marriage so you can’t have it either.”
James, perhaps you should post another response on Facebook asking him just how portable his CP is outside of the UK. At least we have eleven countries and several American states where equal marriage is legal and more to follow, but how many countries have British style CPs? Only one other, Ireland, and even theirs don’t confer all of the rights of the British model. If he were to live in France, all of the rights of his CP wouldn’t even be reciprocated under a PACs.
oh yeah and what about the common cold ! We can get married, get laid, be safe and work on curing or managing all illnessses.
But not eejitcy i guess :)
Given how hard he fought against equal marriage, this must have come as something of a shock to Mr Summerskill and his crew.
Don’t know why you were downvoted as you make a very good point!
who was down voted ?
Can nae find it
Just Mr S trolling.
I don’t think C4M’s Dr. Sharon James and Colin Hart as well as their fellow Tory back benchers are going to be happy about that. Maybe StonewallUK should send the information to Philip Hammond since he’s under the impression that there is no compelling reason to legislate for it and no overwhelming support among the LGBT community.
Obvious responses: “polls don’t work”, “the sample size is too small”, “nobody asked me”, “we did this other poll and it showed the opposite”. These people have had a lot of practice at rejecting evidence that contradicts their beliefs. To be fair, the pro groups are also guilty of highlighting only the polls that show a large majority in favour.
9% of gay people don’t support equality? Weird.
I was going to say “WOW! there are 9% of gays who would vote UKIP?”
Probably Andrew Pierce voting a number of times using multiple e-mail accounts and identities.
If you take a look at the Wikipedia, you’ll notice it’s already been updated on the Coalition for Marriage article.
Quote: Ben Summerskill said: ‘Some regrettably shrill anti-gay campaigners have taken to suggesting gay people aren’t really that bothered about equal marriage. We now know just how important this reform is for millions of people in this country.”
Oh the utter irony from Stonewall who were anything but pro-equal marriage a few years ago.
More hypocrisy and snake oil than your average right wing religious fundamentalist…
Summerskill was the shrillest. I remember exactly how shrill as I stood in his office giving him an earful.
I’m really looking forward to seeing him again soon :-)
Yes I find it interesting that if anything it is older gay people who seem to be slightly more likely to be “anti marriage”. I suspect it may have something to do with being used to being social outsiders whereas I suspect young gay people are more likely to take it for granted that they are just part of wider society.
Certainly I find the idea that being gay is some kind of cult or ideology which has “requirements” as to what you should want out of a relationship that differents you from straight people is bizarre, and in its own way quite oppressive.
I support marriage because I think for all its faults it is a strong and flexible institution that works better for individuals and society than the alternatives.
We’ll just have to accept that being gay is no longer that edgy or that interesting in itself. For me that is huge progress.
Sorry, that was meant to be a reply to the first comment from James…
I am not entirely sure that older gay people are “anti marriage” I’ll compare older gay’s with my father, he frequently uses the “I am too old for it to affect me”, or, “at my time of life it has no merit or benefits”
As Canadian I can marry, but as I age I don’t really see myself ever marrying. At one point I thought similarly to my father. But, I strongly defend the right to marry because UK my friends can’t.
Perhaps the issue with older gays (like my father’s excuses) to win support, would be to focus on the positive of “even if it doesn’t affect me or change my life” it’s about what’s right and how others might benefit in future!
Some times it is just giving a different perspective that can help to change the older undecided of the percent. Equal marriage even seemed a silly notion to me when I first heard of it., and even though I may not benefit I fast came around to realize the importance of support, it is about the rights, benefits and equality of future LGBT generations.
It won’t affect me directly but I feel very strongly about it because of the undoubted benefits for LGBT in the future and also my beliefs in individual freedom/liberty that harms no one else
Meanwhile, not one word from StonewallUK regarding the hateful rhetoric coming from the right wing religious nutters in and out of Parliament and the unfair bias exhibited by the BBC which seems to give opponents unlimited coverage.
Wait until France introduces it. The BBC won’t even mention it.
Of course they’ll mention it. You could even predict the headline. “Bishops in France have reacted in anger to the introduction of gay marriage blah blah blah…”
They will mention it – from a purely negative bias. About how France is crumbling and the sky is now falling.
I’m surprised that so many gay people don’t support equal marriage. Why would they reject it?
This is way more support in the UK than I expected!
But then who are you polling or asking?
Meanwhile here in Australia NOTHING HAPPENS in terms of equality for both gays and aborigines, or actually speaking continuing inequality!
There’s still 9% of people who don’t want to be treated like human beings…
What do both Paiva-Weed (the Leader of the Rhode Island State Senate) and Julia Gillard (Prime Minister of Australia) have in common?
They are both stupid uptite insecure lesbians that oppose and obstruct same sex marriage legislation (because they both also oppose same sex marriage)!”
Closet lesbians they both are indeed