Ludicrous and dishonest argument, but what can you expect from a man who peddles fairytales and magical drivel to idiots.
And probably helped paedophiles to rape kids, even if he didn’t partake himself.
Not something I’ve ever had to consider before but is male breastfeeding actually illegal? I know it’s obviously an impossibility but is it in law somewhere that men can’t? :\
I’d imagine it’s not illegal :D But don’t expect facts (or logic) from such people
Actually he’s mistaken. There is at least one sub-Saharan tribe where men do in fact lactate. He also makes the mistake of trying to derive an “ought” from an “is”. It isn’t done therefore it ought not to be done. It just doesn’t bear analysis.
Or consideration – or listening to.
Not impossible, at all. http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/misc-articles/milkmen-fathers-who-breastfeed/
The Devil’s work, clearly.
Oh… Why do you say male lactation is obviously an impossibility?
Why do men have nipples then?
If it’s ‘natural’ for men to have nipples, then men would have naturally lactated at some time, or will be expected to lactate in some distant future, right?
Of all people, Cordileone ought to know about witch’s milk and galactorrhea… Whatever that is.
Didn’t some scientists from Yale University recently say that if you can increase estrogen levels and trigger the release of prolactin, you can make men produce milk ??
I guess that has yet to be recorded in the bible, eh Sal ? ? ?
The reason men have nipples, and breast tissue, is that all foetuses start out life as female, and the nipples grow before the foetus gets the signals to make it grow a penis instead of a vagina.
Being a catholic he wouldn’t have heard of evolution or ever asked himself, how come men even have nipples.
Of course male nipples immediately prove the creation myth to be total hogwash. If men were created first and then women, and god is perfect why did he make such a mistake in providing men with nipples before he had even decided to make women as an afterthought. What purpose did the nipples have on his first man?
Men don’t just have nipples they also have breast tissue and are able to get breast cancer just like women.
Marriage is not in nature. Marriage is an entirely man made concept which, incidentally so is religion. Theology doesn’t build on nature it twists it to fit in with its own warped ideas about what those holding to that theology believe should be natural.
And yet again we have a person with no real clear idea about what it means to be loved and in a relationship and even a father telling everyone else what rules they should live by.
Just f**k off and leave us to get on with our lives.
They base ‘natural’ marriage on the Adam and Eve creationist fairy tale, the part where Eve was created from a rib of Adam while he was sleeping, then bringing them together to copulate and in Eve’s case, bring forth children in pain for tempting Adam with a bloody apple. It’s hard to imagine people believe in that nonsense. Incidentally, there was no actual marriage ceremony between the two. They use that old chestnut used in religious marriage…’what god has joined together, let no man put asunder’ nonsense and call it natural. Under marital law in the UK a marriage isn’t a marriage just because someone officiates it, religious or civil. It’s the actual exchange of the contract (vows) between two consenting adults which makes it a marriage devised by the state which regulates it. The officiant is just a legal formality.
So in other words, not natural as you and I would understand it but natural as in the definition the Catholic Church chooses to give it. Typical!
It’s just like those people who say that they believe in equality but then say that allowing gay couples to marry isn’t an equality issue thereby allowing themselves to fool themselves into believing they’re not total hypocrites by creating their own definitions of things.
Or when the Catholic Church says they oppose unjust discrimination against us but then defining for themselves what unjust actually means so that they can pretend to the world that they aren’t just being flagrant homophobes who are deliberately hurting people.
As Adam and Eve begat 2 sons, Cane and Able, who did Cane or Able scr3w to further the population.
Motherly incest perhaps.
Daughters were not considered worth of noting (in the Bible or in early censuses), so it was more likely brother/sister incest.
Fantastically accurate response Robert. Thumbs up!
If Eve was made from one of Adam’s ribs, and the pair of them went on to have children ….. isn’t this incest!!!! Just asking!!!
You are right bobbleobble. Marriage is a man made concept. Equal marriage for all will correct the injustice to someone who does not built his/her live with the opposite gender.
Further, children do not need the figure of a man + a woman. Children need balanced / well in their shoes parents. From whichever genders they are. No everyone has a father and a mother, he should look the real life. Oh, maybe he cannot, he is not married. He may only have the theological idea how difficult it is to live with someone, same sex or not.
Comparing same sex marriage with male breastfeeding is just a proof of his f**king ignorance.
Is he wearing pink lippy?
Part of his Baroque fashion statement…
More nature lessons required.
Nice tan though. Natural?
Marriage is in nature, where did he get that fact? Pairing is in nature, not marriage. Let us ask him, were Adam and Eve married????? And if they were, who married them, and where did they get their marriage license?
I wasn’t aware that ‘male breastfeeding’ is illegal?
I wasn’t aware the “male breastfeeding” is even possible!
But a committed loving relationship between two persons of the same sex IS !
It is possible, how else do you think men can suffer from breast cancer?
Fixated on breasts now are they? Is there no end to their obsession with sexuality? ;-)
Another stupid non-reason against equal marriage. More proof that the antis can’t come up with one single sensible reason against it.
One of The Pope’s chief homophobes, deployed to harass and bully people who are gay.
He’s also got a drink problem – recently arrested for drink driving. Hardly a professional individual.
An absurd man.
Now the Cof E is complaining because they are banned from performing gay marriages.
You couldn’t make this stuff up.
“Aidan O’Neill QC” is one of two very biased religious fanatics who provide dodgy opinions for wingnuts. Other professional QCs say there is no problem with the protections, and no problem with the ECHR overturning any of this, or oppressing churches with instructions they must marry people they don’t want to. It’s utterly absurd that churches would be forced to marry people they don’t want to – they never had in the past thousand years, in fact we have to create a whole new religion and the Church of England, just so the King could re-marry !
I don’t even bother reading the rubbish this anti-gay hate group publishes. All you need to know about them is they’ve opposed every single piece of equality legislation and been at the forefront of anti-gay bullying behavior for decades. They mascaraed as a charity but are in fact an anti-gay political lobby group – because in truth the main religions are nothing more than political parties.
These increasingly hysterical claims are probably best ignored? We know by now which groups and individuals oppose equality.
Says the man with a bright pink hat on his head… awkward…
Not pink; Fuchsia. A much more festive colour. I wonder if he has the matching clutch purse and pearls.
And jock strap..
No, but his boytoy does..
[sorry - his boytoys - (plural)]
Take no notice – he is and old bitter drunk, that got arrested for drink driving on the eve of his installation as Archbishop – probably another self-hater!
I’d love to be able to breast feed. My tits are big enough.
Is there no end to the Catholic Church’s powers? Legalising the impossible!
The funny thing is, some men are actually naturally capable of breastfeeding…
Really? Well, if that’s so, then it’s a natural phenomenon and there’s no reason why it should not be fully legalised and respected!
It is. And anyway I breast fed my kids until they all happily married same sex partners and gave birth in their turn to assorted fully-formed catholic nuns and priests and they’ve come to no harm at all…
There: I’ve gone mad. That’s what this bigoted church has done to me!
Hey, since when did male breast feeding become illegal. These Roman cult creeps are really getting desperate. what will they come up with next. The mind boggles.
I’m intrigued … I can’t wait for the next installment of this gripping tale ! :D
… but, let’s be honest, at some point the men in white coats are going to be along to take some of these individuals away — regardless of religious protections / belief systems .. because they’re exhibiting the sorts of mental disorder that gets you a long-stay pass at one of the local psych wards. :)
There is nothing ‘natural’ about marriage any more than there is anything ‘natural’ about a child being reared by 2 parents. (As many aren’t) – However, the real response to this is:…. Hahahahahahahahaha. As has been said before. The more these idiots open their mouths the more ridiculous they appear.
More evidence of how prolonged exposure to religion rots the brain. These people never let facts get in the way when spreading hate.
They get more bonkers with every statement. Being straight is natural, being gay is natural, having sex is natural but marriage is a man made construct and can therefor its parameters be changed. Pretty simple really…
sorry about the syntax – will try harder next time!
Too bad there is no edit button.
It’s like legalising male breastfeeding’, he says. And so we have yet another simile!
The homophobes are hunting for the “perfect” horrid simile to deride the idea of us being married!
They hunt, and hunt, and hunt!
This is one is certainly novel. Some thought has gone into it.
Our defence has to be: Same Sex Marriage does not need any similes!
Same Sex Marriage is not like this, like that, or like the other! Same Sex Marriage is a loving commitment between two persons of the same sex. Opposite sex couples enjoy it and we too have a right to it.
Cut with the similes!
They’re so easy to create! SSM is:
- like a cup of poison!
- like two rats copulating!
- like the worst horror imaginable!
- like an Australian bush-fire!
- like a King without a Queen!
- like a deadly disease!
- like a famine in the desert!
- like drunks on the booze!
Enough invention of awful similes!
-like copulation in hell: one damned thing on top of another!
Good one! LOL
Erm… crazy says what now?
And this man is another clear loon to run a religious sect? Idiot!
This is the man who was arrested for driving while drunk. Clearly he is a potential killer.
More hysteria from those who lots all credible argument on the subject a long time ago.
What a strange argument. If the natural state is as he described it then it must accord with natural state for males and females. If so it’s hard to reconcile it with celibacy and rather makes a mockery if those who marry when unable to procreate. Quite frankly: why not just be kinder? Where is the real harm, other than that caused by your church?
Didn’t Oscar Wilde call Celibacy “The most unnatural sexual perversion”? Or something along those lines,
These really are becoming rather hilarious.
and the award for the most barking mad comment ever made in the entire EM debate goes to ……..
actually, just read the fridge story and I demand a re-count.
Yeah, aunty babs, it would be a hotly-contested award! :D
What a flawed argument! Having a father & a mother does not necessarily serve in it’s the best interests of a child! A child would be much better off with 2 mums or 2 dads who provide a safe, secure, kind, happy and loving home environment. As opposed to a home environment in which a mum and dad are physically, mentally and/ or emotionally abusive! The Catholic Church hierarchy should never dispense family advice! As unnatural celibates, they have no first-hand experience about raising kids, working at keeping a loving relationship with a spouse and the nitty gritty of starting a family unit of their own.
“If you use theology, you will play into their hands and they will say you use religion to control people.”
Of course, nothing could be further from the truth, right Cordileone?
“Marriage isn’t primarily in theology; marriage is in nature.”
That’s their new shtick, “nature”/”natural marriage”, because they’ve realised that they won’t win over the public with purely theological arguments. They are very clever, you have to give it to them.
‘Clever’ isn’t necessarily the adjective *I’d* choose :D
snaky? slithering? schizoid ?
He looks so gay they always do!
I can see him coming along to me with that glint in his eye and nipples rings on!
I don’t get the pink skullcap though. Never seen one of those on a late night in a gay haunt before! :-)
Try the Vatican; that’s a gay haunt.
Men occasionally DO lactate and its NOT illegal.
You have to trying to be that stupid and wrong.
I see this is taken from his piece in the Catholic Herald in the UK – saw the piece the other day
It was such a long piece I couldn’t be bothered to read it.
My one claim to fame is that the site now says, near the comments section,
“The site has blocked you from posting new comments.”
They certainly don’t like the truth about the authenticity of their Bible, aren’t prepared to discuss the errors and which bits were added later, or who wrote the Gospels – why when there were 50 Gospels did only 4 get chosen. What about the 4 version of the resurrection story in the 4 Gospels?
Catholic websites have filters for certain words and terminology which reject comments they deem unfit or posing any opposition to what they espouse apparently. I emailed Archbishop Nichols not so long ago, but it was rejected, returned to me as non-deliverable. My message wasn’t very polite, no foul language used but it was caustic and to the point. They really can’t accept confrontation of any kind even if something happens to be true. Truth always hurts it seems.
Yes, free speech only works one way with the religious zealots. It doesn’t matter how polite your comments are but if they contain evidence and facts criticising their dogma your comments never appear.
Yes, Ironic isn’t that these people demand Free Speech yet don’t allow it on their site. Then come abuse us here because they can.
Hypocrites. All it does is show how they rule….. as a dictatorship!
“… he gestures with his fingers and swirls his hands for emphasis.”
No doubt he also kicks his legs his height.
Your obsessed with the Catholic Church Gulli, you act like a stalker at times
Marriage is natural? Really? That’s news to me. I always thought civil marriage was a state invention in the UK as recent as the 19th century.
He’s never commented on widows and widowers with children some of whom never remarry who really woudn’t fit his idea of the nuclear family, one father and one mother. What would be his response I wonder? This from a man living in an supposedly unnatural state of celibacy and member of a hierarchy who were silent and complicit in the heinous crime of paedophilia against boys and girls for decades, arguably for centuries. I wouldn’t let any child of mine near a catholic priest. They are morally bankrupt and purveyors of hatred against gay people.
Civil marriage was in the UK in the middle ages BEFORE the Christian empire got its claws into the King.
It seems that the catholic church is determined to declare itself as the open enemy of the LGBT community – like Voltaire we shoud unite to ecrasons l’infame (“let us crush the infamous one”). Priests and bishops especially the ones that indulge in a bit of bum fun and then persecute nonadherents should be exposed.
Yes dear, but not everyone HAS two parents. I know the RCs think everyone should live in perfect sit-com families but human nature – to which you are always resistant – decides otherwise.
So says the man in a pretty pink hat!
Wow! These Religious types are REALLY missing out on some major biological facts! “Don’t have sex with a man as a woman” (no Vagina, so impossible!), and now this!! I know the Man-Boob is quite prevalent, especially in the USA, but I don’t think any male has started to LACTATE!
There are men with vaginas.
Men do lactate.
Okay, maybe I should have said “VERY FEW”. Jeez….
Yup. Although I guess by the ‘jeez…’ you’ve appended to your comment you think you shouldn’t have to and other people should forgive your homogeneity?
No: It just ruined the humour it it. If you examine many things you find stuff that doesn’t make sense, as Archbishop Cordileone so manifestly illustrates :)
Don’t try humour on this site Liam. Unless it’s totally obvious, it won’t be understood. Humourless bunch we are
Got to tread very carefully when trying to be humourous about gender stereotyping Liam. And knowledgeable. Your comment demonstrated neither humour nor knowledge of non-binary gender.
However, you’re right on one thing – this bloke, like most of his contemporaries, isn’t making a lot of sense.
I wasn’t aware it was illegal been having it in me tea for years !! Very creamy with a muscly manly taste. Let me get this right he’s wearing a frock what looks like lipstick and he’s lecturing on gay marriage.
Nice to see he chose the lipstick shade to match his skullcap shame they don’t match the trim on his frock though.He must be straight totally not coordinated
Oh, go back to The Thornbirds you silly old drag queen.
Church Cults take note….The next “gay agenda” so to speak. Destroy religion…. Surely you didn’t think the Gay community would just fade away quietly once we had won our fight. Well I for one am here to tell you No. We will firstly fight for the disestablishment of all religion. Then the next battle will be to recind the tax free status of ALL religions and to make sure they pay all their taxes as the rest of the population and organisations do, including the Queen and her minions. The n the battle to have the Cult of Rome banned from having any thing to do with children and to ban anyone of a clerical bent (pun intended) barred from coming within 50 meters of a child under 16. Religion must also withdraw from public into those buildings they have intended for the purposes of indoctrination and brainwashing of the public. All outwardly signs of religion must be concealed and no religious clothing worn in public including those designed to humiliate and demean women.
Then twat was done for drunk driving recently. He must still be pissed.
Not to mention the young man who was also in the car at the time when the police pulled them over.
Surely not, a catholic priest and a young man, its unheard of.
oh? I thought it was natural.
Oh, go back to The Thornbirds, you silly old drag queen.
that pink think on the top of his head make him look like a bell end!
Let the catholics of the UK know how morally upright this idiot is: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/2013/01/28/all-our-detractors-can-do-is-call-us-names/
LA Times and SF Chronicle links to articles about his DUI:
If he’s straight, I’m a giraffe.
I expect he declaims that he is straight, of course, but in reality he knows he’s a psychosexual screwball, just like most “celibate” clerics!
markNW8, thanks for that link in the Catholic Herald!
Look at the nonsense it reveals this man wallowed in as a child:
“On the feast day of Jesus’s foster father they set up an altar in their home with his statue and three loaves of bread to represent the Holy Family, which included a braided loaf of bread for Our Lady. They would stage a drama of the Holy Family coming into the home, with a young girl as Mary, an older man as Joseph and, on several occasions, the young Salvatore was in role as Jesus.”
And of his current attitudes and behaviour, the article says:
“He says the rosary every morning. He traces many modern-day problems back to the secular doctrine that discounts the differences between men and women (the specific confusion, he explains, is that men and women are conditioned to think of themselves as the same and not complementary). And he loves the Tridentine Mass.”
” He consistently uses level-headed logic in arguing against same-sex marriage.”
Yeah right. Women should just stay at home lactating for babies. That’s why god created them. He’s homophobic and misogynistic.
Are catholics soon going to make it a sin to bottle feed?
1) Do any of their outpourings actually make any logical sense? Or is it a case of bunging any old words together in a sentence .
2) Is he meant to be the corporate image boy of the of the catholic cult.? oh puleeeze !!
Facial bronzer with matching skullcap and lipstick?. Another queen so far back in the closet she’s in fucking Narnia!
(Kudos to “Gimme , Gimme, Gimme)
How come they let you use the F word? I thought it was always firewalled. I’m going to have a go.
You Idiot, we are not talking about how your church sees marriage, but how the law sees it. the church has no place in the law of the land the same as the law of the land has no place in the curch, this you have proved by how your church hid child molesting priest.
If marriage comes from nature and not biology, why is the pedophile pimp being given a forum for his views? He has no credibility on science.
I think girlfriend needs to go easy on the San Tropez.
Oh, look. A religious leader completely out of touch with reality,.
How terribly surprising.
Not too bright eh…?
Not impossible I knew a male who after taking body building hormones actually produced small amounts of milk from his breasts- weird but true.
I’m certain he thinks he knows of what he speaks, as he most likely has breastfed from males on many occasions. As well as fed on other appendages which spring from males.
Archbishop Gay-Face apparently has even less understanding of human biology as he does of human sexuality.
Another reason our country has separation of church from our government. The church does not govern our people with their set of rules or values. We govern ourselves and the more they push back the more irrelevant their religion will be.
What a twit but is it just me that thinks he looks like Richard Chamberlain did when he was in the Thorn Birds!!
Chamberlain had hair! and was much better looking! Chamberlain carried out the swish of the cassock with perfection, as only a gay man can do!
Pedophilepriestsezwhut? Are you following http://www.twitter.com/nazi_pope where we’re constantly and deservingly so, trashing the Church and it’s hypocrisy?
Actually, they have fake strap on boobs that can be used for women with masectomies, or for male breast feeding. and it isn’t illegal! Why on earth…!
Male breastfeeding is already legal – most men just don’t lactate. Male breastfeeding is perfectly okay if it happens.
You Catholic CHILD MOLESTERS have no room to say anything about equal marriage, or same sex relationships!
wrong … marriage is not natural. Marriage is crafted by society to try and encourage 2 people to stay together in a monogamous relationship AGAINST their natural instinct to sow their seed and reproduce with many people or with another when a “better specimen” comes along.
Marriage is failing at this attempt though.
This from a man who was arrested for DUI just days before his ceremonial induction to his present position!…and it wasn’t from a sip of wine at Mass!
Archbishop Cordileone you hit the nail on the head – bullseye ! Same-sex ‘marriage’ is an absurd oxymoron .Distorting the word marriage by bring in the word ‘gay’ or ‘same sex’ is bonkers .
It’s a bit like coconut blood transfusions,driving tests for the blind ,listening to Picasso symphonies,eating with ones armpit (disagree with ‘equal’ eating and you are an armpit-phobe!). etc
The arguments agaist same-sex marriage just get crazier and crazier. Crap like this just plays into our hands. And THEY wonder what’s emptying THEIR pews out! Pair-bonding is natural and for humans has always included same-sex pairs. Even with marriage, the majority of societies throughout history have practiced same-sex weddings.
does he forget! every child from Adam and Eve are a result of incest. but the church also states that is a sin.. they can’t have it be both ways.
And they had 2 boys, I wonder who they had sex with, each other???
“you use religion to control people. ”
“Marriage isn’t primarily in theology; marriage is in nature. Theology builds on the natural institution, giving us a deeper mystical and supernatural sense of its meaning.”
Here’s a suggestion.
Yes marriage is in nature. SO ALLOW US TO HAVE WHAT IS IN NATURE!!!!
Dear God and this man is from San Fran, the cock-sucking capital of the world? Does he take out his fixations on the altar boys?
Male breast feeding is a Catholic phenomenon
Listening still to those assholes is like legalizing pedophilia.
“Truth is clear. Wanting children to be connected to a mother and father discriminates against no one. Every child has a father and a mother, and either you support the only institution that connects a child with their father and mother or you don’t.”
So, does that mean he thinks marriage that links a child with its heterosexual step-parent should be illegal? How about marriage between a man and a woman who can’t naturally have children together? Making marriage only about biological parenting denies reality, even if you only look at opposite-sex marriage. It’s a ridiculous argument to make.
“Marriage isn’t primarily in theology; marriage is in nature.”
No it flippin’ ain’t. Most animals don’t even partner for life.
Crap! Who told him monogamy is genetically programmed? Oh wait…it’s the opposite…