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Introducing equal marriage in England and Wales to cost the tax payer up to £4.7m

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  1. BARGAIN!!!

      1. note to Peter Thatchell …most of that cost was due to the introduction of straight CPs

      2. Trans ignored by Stonewall 27 Jan 2013, 1:13am

        How Summerskill still has a job is beyond me.

        He’ll say whatever his paymaster tells him to – hence flicking from anti-equality to equality in a heartbeat.

        He could just as well be a talking head for any other large charity.

  2. I’m sure this will be trumpeted as “unnecessary expense” at a time of national austerity by the opponents of marriage equality. It would be interesting to see how it compares with other legislative changes. Probably much smaller than most changes to employment legislation.

  3. Equality at any price!

    1. Jock S. Trap 26 Jan 2013, 3:54pm

      Yes, in better society not in pounds and pence.

  4. Tough. They’d not have this cost if they’d not been discriminatory in the first place.

    We pay taxes too!

  5. michael sutherland 26 Jan 2013, 2:39pm

    This is nothing compared to what we’ve had to pay for years into a system that barred us from joining it in the first place.

    1. Jock S. trap 26 Jan 2013, 3:56pm

      Exactly. We’re all expected to pay taxes ‘Equally’ for too many to be treated unequally.

  6. How much will all the new weddings boost the economy?

    1. £4.7m is such a stupendously low amount anyway, but that’s actually a very good point. Makes you wonder why ‘the church’ wouldn’t want in on a cash cow. Well done Quakers et al.

  7. Take a million old queens times the tax they have paid for 30 years or more while getting little back.

    They still owe us big time.

  8. how much does it cost to wage a war?

    well, when you compare it to that, equality is barely even a drop in the bucket.

    congratulations UK for joining the modern world, and welcome.

    Mike in Canada

  9. Paul Clevett 26 Jan 2013, 3:08pm

    But how much will it boost the economy in wedding stuff sales and honeymoon holidays etc etc etc

  10. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Jan 2013, 3:17pm

    Quite a small amount when you consider the revenues that equal marriage will bring in including taxes benefiting small businesses, local economies and the economy as a whole which I’m sure will far surpass the £4.7m in expenditure over the coming years.

    The opposition whined about the cost to introduce CPs which had no negative impact on the economy, but out of sheer desperation, they’ll skew this one to suit its agenda.

  11. £4.7 million divided by 56.1 million people.

    That’s a whopping 8.4 PENCE per person.

    I think we can afford that. :-)

    1. Liam the God 26 Jan 2013, 4:24pm

      I meant to hit the “Like” button, but hit the dislike instead. Sorry. I agree with you.

  12. Robert (Kettering) 26 Jan 2013, 3:20pm

    Cheap compared to the Billions the government lavishes on foreign governments each and every year in the form of, so called, aid. Much of it, as we know, is squirreled away in Swiss bank accounts by the likes of homophic dictators such as Mugabe etc.

    Time the LGBT community was given a break seeing we have been contributing billions to the government’s coffers for decades without getting our fair share back in return.

  13. “Rounding error” in government accounts. Too bad they didn’t include the cost of wiping away the tears of the homophobes.

    Here’s nearly 1/2 of the government’s “costs”, if this one couple gets married.

    “In 2005, Elton John and David Furnish finally tied the knot after a twelve year partnership. Their ceremony reportedly cost $1.75 million, with 700 guests and plenty of champagne in attendance at the reception at John’s mansion in Windsor.” http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/music-musicweddings/8/

    1. Adele Magee 26 Jan 2013, 9:40pm

      1/2? I don’t think so. $1.75 million is not as much as it sounds in pounds sterling. Why is the price in dollars anyway if he got married in England?

      1. Because the quote made by Hue Man was taken from a site based in the states. They would logically use their own currency.

  14. Jock S. Trap 26 Jan 2013, 3:53pm

    A small sum considering they’ve just added £21m to war torn Syria… plus all the millions of pound they spend on over sea including homophobic country in aid.

    Money for marriage is indeed a Bargain.

    Though have to admit. when do we see how much marriage amongst heterosexuals cost? How much does it cost to care for an unwanted child that heterosexuals don’t want? Or even for an abortion for the unwanted child….

    So why is it any different for us? Seems a sour argument to me.

    I don’t see heterosexual priced, just that we’re to accept it and that marriage is a good, stable thing. Which is why it’s so important for this equality to go through.

  15. Whatever your views on the EU are, lets remember that we pay much more than that as a net contribution on a daily basis. In any case this will be money well spent as it will in a small way be a boost for service industries and for retailers associated with the housing market.

    1. Jock S. Trap 26 Jan 2013, 3:58pm

      Well Said Ray!!

  16. Things always seem to cost tens of millions. This is money extremely well spent and seem incredibly cheap.

  17. I can’t believe that anyone would even put a price on equality.
    Can you imagine, if we were talking about putting a price on giving women equal rights to men in this day and age? There would be an outcry from the feminist brigade!

    Equality should be the default of all civilised nations. No discussion on costs.

    1. I’d hope there would be outcry from every decent human being!

  18. In other words, just about 0.094% of the £5bn original cost estimate propounded by our ‘estimable’ Stonewall!

    …and they claim to represent gay people! Probably just as well that they’re not a campaign group for accountants!

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/09/24/5-billion-marriage-equality-figure-was-calculated-by-stonewall/

  19. And how much of this money could have been saved if people didn’t make such a flipping fuss about equality?

  20. seriously… and how many taxes do the LGBTQ community pay? shouldn’t some of their taxes be used to benefit them? Haven’t their taxes been paying for the straights to marry all along, or was that an entirely expenseless process?!

  21. As an IT professional, all I can say is whoever does their IT is getting money for old rope. £2m for a interface change, a database tweak and a bit of training who are they kidding.

    1. Ben Foster 26 Jan 2013, 9:42pm

      I could do it without any training. I can do IT of that sort standing on my head. I shoud put in a tender!

      1. Peter Robertson 27 Jan 2013, 8:24am

        It’s just the usual computer racket: write over-complicated software and claim it takes a huge amount of effort to make the slightest change.
        There can’t be much more to it than changing the displayed headings of a few forms; the internal structure can be left alone. I’ll do that for £1M (and even throw in testing, a novel idea, for free).

        1. That There Other David 27 Jan 2013, 9:14am

          Swap “computer” for “Capita” in your post and I agree with you. How that company still gets government contracts is unfathomable.

          As for the cost, it’s nothing. You only have to think of how much extra money LGBT taxpayers paid in over the years in increased inheritance taxes to realise just how much the government still owes us.

          It would be nice too if the BBC also noticed that we pay our licence fees and stopped trying to undermine us, but that’s for another thread.

  22. So that’s what I’ve been paying tax for all my life – equality.

  23. Can anyone tell me why it costs money at all? This isn’t some sort of sarcastic comment by the way, I’m genuinely asking.

  24. martyn notman 26 Jan 2013, 7:41pm

    im sure government departments spend more than that on stationary.

  25. The Halcyon 26 Jan 2013, 8:46pm

    How much do “sham” marriages cost? Particularly all those which have involved costly deportation cases?

  26. GingerlyColors 26 Jan 2013, 9:22pm

    £4.7m? I am pretty sure that is a lot less than what we spend on foreign aid to ‘Let’s Kill Gays’ Uganda.

  27. How much does implementing a new law generally cost? Is this one good value in comparison? Does anyone even know? I can’t say I’ve ever read a ‘price tag’ on anything like this before. I wonder what the completely useless Work Programme cost to implement – less backhanders from the private companies who were awarded the contracts to rip off the vulnerable.

  28. Small price to pay considering the decades of discrimination, and gay men and women who paid their taxes all the while being treated unfairly by the law. Just saying.

  29. I’m a software engineer and will do it for… FREE, thus saving them paying some quack IT company 2m merely to remove what is probably a single line of code enforcing the current gender rules.

  30. I wonder how much the Govt reading and responding to all those objections from the equal marriage opponents has cost us all? And how much more will be spent when the buggers fight the changes in both the commons and the Lords tooth and nail?…In Scotland the Catholics alone spent over £150k – (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/07/08/scotland-catholic-church-declares-war-on-gay-marriage/) and in the US the anti-lobby spent 10s of millions, if we include the $7million the Mor(m)ons gave to fight for prop 8 in California…hahahahahahaha…Hope they & their congregations think it was worth it :-)

  31. I’m pretty sure that – one way or another – the real cost will be at least three times the maximum cost quoted. Whenever an IT company and government meet, the IT budget always spirals out of control massively.

    That said, it’s still pretty damn cheap and is a bargain at three times the price.

    The only reason I’m saying this is because when the ‘real’ cost is finally revealed, anti-equal marriage numbnuts are going to use it against us – so we better prepare our counter arguments early.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Jan 2013, 12:59pm

      If that’s the bigots’ m.o., then government might as well stop legislating for any other changes to make heterosexuals’ lives better if its about money. They could start by banning any increases in old age pensions and anything else affecting the older generation, see how they like that, the majority of whom are the proponents of a ban on equal marriage.

  32. Pretty much all of the expense is a one time cost. This sort of thing happens every time the government changes anything – all the computer systems have to be changed, people have to be re-instructed and everything associated with the changed information also has to be altered. Given that government department expenditure is measured in the tens of billions (see: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8dY-3hzSftCMng5TFBkaFdSb3M/edit?pli=1) and that changes like these happen all the time I think civilization may just about pull through. In any case, I’m sure, given that we’re all taxpayers too, the amount the government has likely made off us and will continue to for the rest of lives (and beyond in cases of inheritance tax) will more than pay this cost.

  33. Grace Roberts 27 Jan 2013, 8:20am

    £4.7m is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the millions sent overseas to countries such as Uganda which is governed by hate filled bigots. It’ll be money well spent IMO.

  34. Craig Denney 27 Jan 2013, 10:43am

    We pay income and council tax too!

    6.5% of 56 million people = 3,640,000 all paying around £1,000 just in council tax = £3,640,000,000

    So take the money out of what we pay in Tax.

  35. There should also be some economic benefits – apart from the boost of more weddings.

    Married heterosexuals on average enjoy better health than singles and I suspect the same will hold for gay married couples.

    I wonder if anyone has done any research on this.

    1. Agreed!

      …together with the intangible benefits of living in a society that actively values all all of its citizens and treats them with the respect they deserve…

      …and implements policies that progressively eliminate the rhetoric of extremist religious fundamentalists who wouldn’t know the meaning of love and compassion if it slapped them in the face.

  36. They could have saved this money, and more, by not wasting such a lot of time discussing this law and consulting all the homophobic organizations that are against it anyway.

  37. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Jan 2013, 1:06pm

    The fact that we pay taxes, probably far more as single people than heteros who are married and all the other benefits they receive including child allowances, subsidising religious schools, all at our expense, then I think that makes a very good argument for legalising equal marriage. Taxation without full representation is anti-democratic, unfair, unjust and outright discrimination. I object to my taxes funding religious denominations and their affiliates while they’re discriminating and calling for my marginalisation as a second class citizen just because their religious beliefs are offended. F-ck that and f_ck them!

    1. ……AND the cost to taxpayers in 2010 of the Pope’s visit was around £12Million!!!

  38. Womandrogyne 27 Jan 2013, 1:27pm

    If they wanted it to cost less, they should have done it sooner. In any case, it’s a false expense, since it’s balanced out against the savings in healthcare costs for discrimination-driven illness – and more fundamentally, factoring the “financial cost” of equality is deeply irrelevant, it’s like saying “don’t bother combating racism, it costs too much.”

  39. The cost is irrelevant. It should not be about cost. If the government put a cost on everything, its just an excuse to NOT do it. Just like banks when they go on about providing low level counters for the disabled… “Oh well, that will cost… £x x pence. It’s irrelevant. Stop going on about cost. Your time wasting and dithering on the issue has cost me my patience. Bloody well get on with it, and do it now!

  40. Posted this in a reply earlier but not always on open view unless you click on reply.

    The Pope’s visit to UK in 2010 cost the taxpayer an estimated £12Million. One to remind the catholics if they protest about the cost.

    1. No doubt most of that went on the Popemobile and his entourage… Waste of money!

  41. This is rubbish.

    Its typing a few things on a computer and pressing print.

    Just another potential scapegoat.

  42. How many of those changes are already in place for Civil Partnerships?
    I wish I could charge that much to change a label in the application :)

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