I bet Julie Burchill is flicking her bean at the news.
Burchill . . . Moore . . . Bindel . . . the list is endless unfortunately . . .
Let’s send a ‘sympathy’ or a ‘valentines’ card to the Observer with a name of a dead individual who was murdered because they were / are trans / perceived to be / are trans and see how many cards they get . . . maybe they’ll then understand . . .
Neither three killed anyone how ridiculous did any of them say to the murderes go kill this person? Get a grip.
No, none of them ever killed a Brazilian trans woman in all likelihood.
But you know, my first instinct when it comes to a violently oppressed minority, is ALWAYS to point fingers and laugh.
And every Brazillian murderer READS feminist pages of the Guardian
Why can’t you lot stop harassing women and go after the real enemy – men? These men were murdered by other men.
At least she has one!
Good point: this murdered woman wasn’t born with a woman-typical body. Haha let’s make fun of her!
i take it this isn’t the ‘body of a brazilian transexual’ she had in mind?
Any comment from Suzanne Moore, Burchill et al? This is right up their street.
Yes. There’s a rumour Ms Moore tweeted that she was going to see her lawyer this morning and set them onto Pink News.
I am sure she was only joking though, because there’s nothing actionable about the article, and of course she would never want to curtail Freedom of Speech.
oh never, she believes entirely in free speech, encourages it even.
Joking about an article that is about a murdered Brazilian trnassexual woman. The irony here is simply amazing.
suzanne moore @ Read this piece of shit and Pink News will hear from my lawyers in the morning : http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/16/reports-brazilian-transwoman-shot-dead/
Brazil has a ridiculous murder rate (41000 people in 2012)…. 0.25% of murders were of trans people which as a proportion of murders is not significantly different to other countries.
In Spain 1 transperson was killed but this was again about 0.25% of all murders or the 6 people killed in Turkey or 0.26% of all murders .
As a proportion of the population they arguably have a much lower murder rate than non trans people… try to depoliticise this if you can and pay attention to the actual figures being reported.
This Suzanne Moore thing has been blown out of proportion by certain people with an axe to grind without a basic understanding of maths.
But the flaw in the robot logic you have there is rather obvious really…. Allow me to reveal if you can.
LGBT folk are murdered because they are LBGT !
The vast majority of other murders are for material gain or love wars for want of a better term. X
Tell me again how every woman wants to be a Brazillian transsexual, Suzanne Moore. This is the reality of the women you and radical feminists think are “making a mockery of natural-born women”: they are the most vulnerable of all. They are killed every day just for existing. And you are helping the people who murdered them and will murder them in the future, with the vicious transphobia you attack the trans community with regularly.
Rubbish. Grow up.
And while you’re at it put a link showing where SM said “every woman wants to be a Brazillian transsexual”?
That’s right. She didn’t.
She said that the ideal body image of women was that of a Brazilian Transsexual.
Which makes absolutely no sense given the global dominance of Euro/US culture in terms of body image.
It’s far more likely that trans women in Brazil would have a stereotype of white cis European beauty in mind, rather than a white cis woman trying to make herself look like a Brazilian trans woman.
Top prize for a circular arguament perhaps Beyonce would be a better comparisom if your white and cis male/female?
Well, just look at the photo. How many white European beauties look like that.
Women in this country are paying to look like this transexual, with pneumatic breasts.
Maybe Suzanne Moore is right and you are wrong?
“She said that the ideal body image of women was that of a Brazilian Transsexual.”
So you agree then that you misquoted, because they are two very different things.
“every woman wants to be a Brazillian transsexual”
Thanks for clearing that up. If you are going to quote people you really need to be accurate. Otherwise you come across just like another Daily Mail journalist.
Nonsense – do you even know how many real women are murdered by men? What do your kind actually do but attack feminists – denial much?
Nick is a dood.
Only one? or only one that we know of?
Piss-poor journalism. I hope Suzanne Moore sues you into the fucking stone age.
Quite it seems the twiiterers are out in force
For what? Reporting the news?
Personally, I hope Suzanne Moore can see past the trolls and the more aggressive twitteratti, and realise that those politely making a point about her use of ‘brazilian transsexual’ as a throwaway remark weren’t exactly unfair in saying that it was not only needless, but actually problematic.
And if she apologises all trust will be restored and you will feel less bad and communicate better? What about the death threats she received from your ahem ‘guerilla movement’ the TransPanthers?
Who’s ‘guerilla movement’? Are you seriously suggesting that any trans person should be held liable for those they have no connection with… not even a tentative one? … and why exactly are you accusing me of communicating badly?
Perhaps I should suggest, by your logic, that you ought to think about how you racially abuse people, given the UK’s racist ‘guerilla movement’, Combat-18… presuming you’re from the UK, of course.
Seriously… your comment makes absolutely no sense. The fact of the matter is that there are a minority of people who engage in undesirable actions and behavior in all walks of life, but like most people, I’m responsible for my own behavior and actions, thank you very much, just as Moore is responsible for hers.
For pity’s sake, I don’t think she should try that, unless she’s determined to go for ultimate humiliation!
This is a new low for Pink News. By cutting and pasting Suzanne Moore into a report about a transgender murder, your report makes it appear as if her writing is linked to actual crimes.
When clicked on, the link takes us to another report which claims that Suzanne Moore makes ‘transphobic slurs’.
Luckily a later edit shows there has been rapprochement but does not remove from Readers Comments the allegation that Suzanne Moore is ” helping the people who murdered them”.
Pink News would do well to ask transgender and other writers to explore these issues properly rather than distort, accuse and sensationalise. We expect better standards of you.
Both your reports and the reader’s comment cited are arguably libellous so I am reporting them
Every transphobic slur creates another transphobic bigot. The more transphobic bigots there are, the greater the chance of an act of violence against a trans person. So yes, I personally think that Moore and Burchill and their ilk are in part responsible for an increase in transphobic violence.
Oh, and by the way, that counts as fair comment, so don’t bother encouraging these Bernard Manning type journalists to sue for defamation.
And every misogynistic slur reinforces the bigotry of non bigots
Every transphobic slur IS a misogynistic slur
And black is really white
Every trans abomination is a misogynistic slur. You lot rape women just by existing.
Well said Ron. The comments on here are just proving what Julie Birchell and the others said about the trans cabal. There are obviously a lot of trans extremists on here.
Unfortunately they have lost all sense of reality and are doing an injustice to their own valid cause, by attacking the wrong people.
The fools even fell for the PN trick of reacting to the linking by PN of the two events. Disgraceful journalism on the part of PN.
What you really mean is…
tellsitlikeitis 8 hours ago
Every trans abomination is a misogynistic slur. You lot rape women just by existing.
Remember, they don’t believe the word “transphobia” is valid.
Over 100 Transsexual women are murdered in Brazil last year- more than anywhere else. It’s only been given this much prominence because of all the news lately.(which is why S.Moore was quoted). But happens obviously quite regularly.
SM was quoted for cheap journalistic reasons. It is highly likely that this story (CM’s death) wouldn’t even have made it to PN if SM hadn’t said what she did and everyone over-reacted to it.
“Women” – get a grip.
I suppose it doesn’t matter to you if a man gets murdered (however you personally choose to define “man”)? All human beings are people, you heartless bastard, and generally don’t deserve to get murdered. GTFO and stop giving MY feminism a bad name.
wow someone is murdered and people see an opportunity to slag off transgender people.
what heartless b@st@rds, what evil extremists.
how do you sleep at night?
Well said. I’d also like to add that not everyone who criticised Moore’s article was transexual. Many cis women found it offensive too – to both cis women and transwomen. And those criticising the ‘aggression’ of some trans commenters should remember that aggression is wrong from ANYONE. There has been aggression from both sides.
Clearly, Moore is in no way responsible for the death of this poor woman, but it’s ironic that it comes so soon after her remarks and not surprising that PN referred to the outcry over her article. She could have made her point without the language that offended and it’d have been no less valid. People have got used to throwaway comments that are hurtful and unnecessary and think it’s somehow clever – it’s not. Moreover, people who resort to abuse and slurs lose the argument.
Suzanne Moore is outraged! OUTRAGED I tell you! She is so upset over this murder that she is going to call her lawyers, so she said on twitter.
Oh, wait. She thinks she is the victim ONCE AGAIN! How dare that Brazilian transsexual woman get murdered during my transphobic rant! Where is my lawyer? I am going to sue that tr*nny.
This seems to have completely spiralled out of control. Her original use of the term “Brazilian transsexual” – used to describe the ideal body shape of a woman – was not, in my opinion, transphobic just as much as it was not racist against Brazilian people. It is very sad that there is a high rate of violence against transsexual people in Brazil but that does not mean that the term ‘Brazilian Transsexual’ is off limits. I agree, however, that a lot of what was said since then in the public arena by both sides of the debate has oozed hatred and detracted from sensible debate. How did it escalate out of control so quickly?
I was writing about PN’s journalism and editorial choices. As a gay person who is disabled I sometimes speak from those positions, sometimes they converge, othertimes they’re in conflict. So I am not bound by that identity. Why should important debate be equally bound by positions that others take?
Looking forward to PN pieces written by all and every side of what’s swiftly becoming a barricade: against truth.
Finally Someone taking a calm and rational view toward matters! I agree that language used in the wake of Suzanne Moore’s original article (particularly in July Burchill’s inflamatory and offensive rant ) has often been deeply unpleasant and transphobic. However I think it is clear that the “Brazilian transexual” comment, was in itself fairly innocuous, and born out of ignorance rather than any sort of hatred. The paranoid notion that Moore intentionally sought to make reference to the tragic number of transgender murders in Brazil each year is frankly ludicrous! As a result I believe it is totally irrelevant and innapropriate to reference the journalist in an article about one such murder!
Ironically, It seems the aforementioned comment and deluge of ensuing articles and opinions has opened the issue of transphobia up to more discussion than ever before. Hopefully we as a society will take heed and transgender rights will move out of its sadly embryonic stage.
Except that Moore ended up saying that she actually does hate trans people (or at least, that she has a problem with them and then she said some violent and objectifying things about body parts), in response to people pointing out the problematic nature of the line. So, the comment was made out of ignorance, but the hatred was clearly a thing.
I see the sane voices on this thread have all been switched off again. You lot really don’t like it when someone disagrees with you do you?
Just cancel the debate then and carry on down your blind alley. You will sleep better tonight knowing that even if you aren’t right at least the opposing voice has been shut down.
Let’s put it this way then…
… in an article by Moore today, she said that she hadn’t apologised enough, but justified this by pointing out that nobody had apologised to her for the threats she received.
Just like those she complains of, this is effectively playground behaviour at its best… those uncivil enough to issue threats are hardly going to turn around and apologise. Meanwhile, those reasonable and polite people to whom Moore would consider that she hasn’t apologised enough are the ones suffering for it.