Yeah, because an Anti-Gay marriage Mayor would NEVER use their position to annoy an LBGT group, would they? To paraphrase Bill Hicks they’re a “Bunch of whining maggots!”.
Hmm… you’re an idiot!
The protest was “ANTI-Gay Marriage”
The group wasn’t LGBT!!
I am really sick of reading the comments on this site… it seems the entire part of the LGBT community who reckon the entire world is out to get them and they are owed a favour by the world just for being gay!
You clearly didn’t read the article and you clearly just want to moan! Get a hobby!
And just to make clear… the group say they are LGBT, just like one million mums says they are one million strong!
I think you need to read Liam’s post instead of just skimming it ;-)
I think Liam was being ironic there Scott. Read his post again, out loud and affect a heavily sarcastic tone.
Clearly you didn’t read his comment properly. All he was saying was how Bill Hicks used his mosition of mayor to an annoy an LGBT group akin to how the mayor of Paris has used his position to annoy an anti gay marriage group.
Bill Hicks was a comedian. He was just quoting a phrase he used, I think, rather than saying that Bill Hicks was a mayor, or anti-gay or anything.
Oh, looks like I got the wrong end of the stick a bit too!
Scott check this out
It seems many of the protesters were gay. Queer as folk :)
And let me chip in before the militant nutcase PC fringe get there first:- of course without a shadow of a doubt all LGBT participants were self-loathing homophobes because they couldn’t possibly be rational in their thinking by opposing equal marriage rights for gay people, could they?!
What total and utter bull, of course they have valid reasons to oppose equal rights where, read my lips, FULL MARRIAGE RIGHTS are concerned.
To those who believe this is an oxymoron, to paraphrase Simon above “Get a lobby”!!
Whoops, of course I was misquoting Scottie, not Simon (blush).
Scott = twat.
This is rather hilarious. And a messure which should be applied to after-match clean-ups, too.
I am staggered that there is an LGBT group that opposes same sex marriage. These people must be really happy living as second class citizens.
Good on the Mayor for passing the clean up bill to the organisers.
I’m not. We have our own gay opponents of equal marriage, some of whom signed the C4M petition and are probably taking part in their 1 million leaflet distribution now underway. Meanwhile, our side sits back and does nothing to counter it. Apathy, complacency, indifference and sheer laziness never win anything. StonewallUK is the most guilty of all. Not a word since the consultation results.
Good for Mayor Delanoe. i wonder if Boris would have done the same?
I agree. I honestly don’t understand what function Stonewall serves. This is a major battle which will alter the legal standing of gay people forever. And Stonewall has done virtually nothing. They couldn’t even set up an online petition to counter the large petition created by C4M and which was used as the centerpiece of C4M’s response to the consultation. Now we read that C4M is sending out 1 million leaflets to households in areas represented by undecided MPs. Where are our leaflets?
Exactly right, Devon. At least our opponents are proactive and StonewallUK absolutely tone deaf and silent. As I said in previous posts. complacency and apathy are recipes for failure. Nobody ever won a battle succombing to either. I don’t think StoneallUK really cares enough about it. Hell will freeze over before I even consider making a donation to them. They’ve yet to earn my trust and in this, they’ve failed, dismally. The do not represent me or you and many of us who support full equality.
I knew that there groups of LGBT folk out there who do oppose it but I am still astounded none the less!
I agree on the Stonewall issue and I feel that there are others LGBT organisation who have not done enough. I don’t recall even hearing much from organisations such as THT or GMFA to name a few.
I seriously doubt that Boris would have done the same about the clean up. Just relies on us Londoners and our council taxes as usual.
okay, that is what they meant then. I’m looking at it thinking “Why would an LGBT group oppose same sex marriage?”. Did they say why they are against same sex marriage and adoption rights… as an LGBT group. O___o
Good they should pay.
Also there is a big difference to 340,000 people and 800,000 people. All sounds a bit desperate to me.
Just t’other day the equal marriage extremists were insisting the march attracted no more than 120,000.
Now the figures have officially confirmed a far higher turnout you are all having to wriggle around to put a new negative spin on these huge figures with words like “desperate”!
May I remind one and all that most of the UK was against invading Iraq in 2003, and the 1 million who marched in protest was the biggest turnout of its kind ever witnessed on home soil and was representative of over 30 million Brits who stayed home.
So I would say that whether it’s 340 or 800 million, that is indicative of a vast groundswell of opinion against gay marriage in France.
Kinda explains why governments are desperate to bulldoze the agenda through without a proper debate, regardless of what the opinion polls say…
No. All surveys and polls in France show an overwhelming amount of people in favor of Marriage Equality. We’re going to win. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but eventually, we will. Get used to it- oh wait, you have NOTHING to get used to because it DOESN’T AFFECT YOU!
If 340 million had indeed turned up I’d agree with you, but bearing in mind 340,000 still isn’t even close to 0.5% of the French population the march is still utterly insignificant. In this debate some people will always be anti, whatever the arguments used to convince them. Less than 0.5% protesting (despite huge lobbying from US organisations and the Vatican) together with overwhelming support for marriage equality in national opinion polls gives the government implied permission to proceed.
And six months later life in France will go back to as it was before for everyone, except of course for the same-sex couples that can now actually marry. Nobody else’s life will have changed, not in the slightest.
Do the math:- France’s population is 60 million therefore 340k is over 0.5% of the populace.
And need I reiterate their march was NOT against gay people, just the bulldozing of equal full marriage rights through the French parliament with nary a debate.
Oh yes, opinion polls, or put another way lies, damn statistics and lies…
Samuel, I think you really must be very naive to think that this demonstration was not essentially against equality in marriage. You only need to look at the organisations involved in its organisation and the banners that were being carried. Perhaps the press in the UK did not publicise this, but here in Belgium it was all very clear what the message behind the demonstration was.
OK. 0.51% then, since France’s population is actually around 66 million. Still an insignificant number of people given the propensity of the French population to protest in the streets when they disagree with government policy. 10% of the French regularly vote for the Far Right, and even most of them couldn’t be bothered protesting. Says it all.
This is going to pass soon in France, in the UK, in New Zealand, in Colombia, Uruguay, several states of hte the USA, and even some Asian countries. Then more countries will start the same process. Deal with that inevitability now, or have a miserable next few years. It’s up to you.
Thanks for at least conceding on that point, That There.
LMAO at you, beyond hilarious. Explain to us how you will be affected once the legislation passes? What if a ‘proper debate were held and it resulted in support of equal marriage anway? It wouldn’t change your opinion or beliefs now would it. What if the CoE suddenly evolved and supported it? What would you do and where would you consider relocating to since you and your ilk seem to think Armageddon is upon us? You can invent and skew polling numbers all you want, it’s coming and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Would you welcome a ‘proper’ debate to disenfranchise Jews or any ethnic group? Would you support a ‘proper’ debate to take away the vote from women, disestablish state religion, ban abortion rights, ban divorce and relabortion rights, banning divorce?
Can you also explain and provide any evidence just how two same-sex people marrying in a registrar’s office will have affected married heterosexuals and heterosexuals planning to marry in the futre. Facts please.
We should do the same with the EDL.
Banning marches and demos is the thin end of a very nasty wedge.
Before you know it they will ban them all and I’m sure you would be the first to complain when Gay Pride is knocked on the head.
A fe and a ban are two different things. It’s not fair to conflate them
“an LGBT group that opposes same-sex marriage”
Does such a thing exist in 2013?
There are NO arguments against equal marriage that are not homophobic. Fact. I don’t care if those arguments are coming from straights, bishops,or self-loathing Uncle Toms. Nobody will be affected aversely if Gay people get married. It’s ll just prejudice. Fact.
There are many religionists that feel it goes against what their gods say.
I am an atheist and merely playing Devil’s advocate here, but some people see their faith as more important than their sexuality. There is nothing homophobic about it.
Just because it’s their religion does not mean it’s not homophobic, quite the contrary.
Religion can be homophobic, but I don’t see it in this particular case. Many religionists devoutly follow the letter of the word without ever questioning it, and that unfortunately is why we still get idiots spouting 2000 year old outdated scripture at people without ever considering the modern-day implications.
They are still advocating homophobic laws.
I have no doubt gay marriage rights will be passed in many countries in the next few months as it is on the globalist agenda to push it through without debate.
I would love to be cock-a-hoop about it also and I would be were it not for the way we are being used for political reasons and ostensibly to demoralise and destroy Christianity:- the only other significant power structure still in place.
Once that is on its knees, it will be a handful of power-crazed psychos at the top of the pyramid directing humanity’s destiny towards chaos and disaster, devoid of the moral compass that has always ensured the stability of foundations on which civilisation is built.
I agree with the nub of your argument, but don’t you think religion has to a certain degree opened itself up to being targeted and ridiculed?
If these people could come up with good, decent and moral reasons for their decisions instead of simply quoting from old books and telling us some imaginary deity told them what was right and wrong, then maybe they might earn a little respect.
I do actually think a lot of the Bible is honest and decent and should be used as a moral guide to life; however, there is a lot that is simply padding, some complete works of fiction and the rest is obsolete and written for a long gone era.
What we really could do with is an atheists bible: Something that people can teach and pass on about how to treat one’s fellow man, rather than talking in riddles.
Oh absolutely, Spanner, I abhor all of the corruption that has subverted Christianity over the centuries, not least the perversions of the scriptures that have encouraged a divide and rule mentality, particularly its appalling teachings about homosexuality.
But the fact is that most Christians are upstanding, good people at heart and subscribe to a liberal as opposed to fundamental approach, and it is they who are what bind society into a sound and cohesive whole:- and I include in that number a good many gay people.
Without that cohesiveness and the total obliteration of moral boundaries, ultimately, a future of feraldom can only await as human beings slowly degenerate into scavengers, taking and stealing from each other and not knowing – having long forgotten – how to give back.
28 Days, anyone?
And a very small price they are to pay for being Bigots!