I can only laugh. this controlled leak. It simply allows the C of E to express yet more levels of institutional homophobia in its ‘open, loving, ministry’. Complete and utter bollocks.
No thanks. Are they for real? Why would the CoE even conceive of asking a gay CPd couple to remain celibate? It’s bad enough they’re asking that of their clergy. An exercise in futility. It’s feeling the heat since the quadruple lock debacle and trying to back-track a little so it doesn’t come off as the nasty church in contrast to the Unitarians, Quakers, Liberal and Reformed Judaism. They obviously don’t like the isolation do they? Too bloody bad. Too late, we don’t want it….next.
I think this is an important step, I wouldn’t go along with promising to remain celebate, however.
An important step…into a steaming cowpat!
And how do they suppose that they will enforce that the couples remain celibate?
This whole thing is ridiculous!
Well, they can’t relly, can they, unless they want to perve through people’s bedroom windows, of course! It’s just a way to get off on bullying people, it seems to me ie ‘we know we can’t really enforce it but we want to make sure you know you’re inferior/bad’.
When will the CoE realise that it is not in a posistion to dictate what people do in their private lives? Half a solution is no solution really, Id love to speak to Justin Welby and show him the error of their ways. At this rate he won’t have a church to lead soon, As an indpendant minister I welcome same sex couples for blessings without any discrimination
And what happens, when same-sex marriage in England will became law, and civil partnership law maybe will be scrapped?
It won’t change the church’s position. Existing civil unions will be retrospectively legislated into being civil marriages. Churches fail to see that in the modern state, a church wedding service is an optional extra, not the Creator (pun intended) of marriages.
well if you look at pre-christian history it was the state who performed marriages (at least in Wales) and it was the catholic church who took it for themselves and still to this day try and claim they invented it despite Legal history books stating otherwise.
I first read and heard of C of E blessings of gay couples happening in the 1970s. Presumably not “official” but certainly no secret.
No doubt it had been going on long before that, more secretly.
But there was nothing secret about the celebration of same sex couples in church ceremonies, going all the way back to Roman times, and there are icons and old liturgies in the Russian Orthodox Church celebrating these “special friendships” as they try to call them these days ( they were effectively same sex marriages).
A Church created so a king could legally bed a three breasted, 11 fingered whore (it’s true, Anne Boleyn had those deformities = at the time they were considered to ADD to fertility!) can hardly claim the moral high ground on who may bed whom.
That’s utter rubbish, physical deformities were widely seen as the mark of the devil and no reputable chronicler ever mentioned any such thing. It is in the highest degree unlikely she’d have been renowned for her charm and beauty if she’d had such deformities.
She didn’t have a third breast, but she did have an extra finger.
But yes it is true the whole reason the church of England exists was to feed the ego of one man who happened to be king. I wouldn’t say it added to her fertility when she had 3 (possibly more) stillborn children. He then accused her of incest with her father and brother in order to have her executed so he would be free to marry another woman.
I want to hear Welby’s comments on Tory MP Bob Blackman’s latest screed regarding equal marriage causing difficulties in promoting ‘christian’ values in Parliament. This from an adulterer no less. Anything to say about that, Welby?
Remain celibate? Why are the Church so obsessed with what people do in bed? Do they ask opposite sex couples personal questions before they marry too? No, of course not. They just can’t help themselves – always dying to victimise LGBT people.
Indeed. It’s clearly all they can think about while spewing about morality?
Nothing but hypocrites.
They don’t ask if a girl is a virgin on her wedding day … even if her kids are present they still marry them. They flout the rules for heterosexual couples so whats the problem?
Utter nonsense. They really are clutching at straws to keep their ‘doctrine’ pure, aren’t they?
Sorry about this but seriously what the F*@K!!!
They just don’t get it do they. They carry one with this notion that same sex relationship are worth less… oh we must be celibate… blah blah blah
And yet the homophobia continues….
I can’t believe the church is resurrecting its ‘practicing’ and ‘non-practicing’ rhetoric with regard to same-sex relationships!!! It’s like something out of the 1970s.
It appears as if the incoming Archbishop thinks he can spin his way out of the mess created by his church’s embroilment with the darkest of shadows by forging a series of political compromises on what really are some very basic moral issues. I don’t fancy his chances. There is simply no getting away from the essential truth that same-sex love and opposite-sex love are no different. Dr Welby needs to take a much firmer stance to ensure that this truth is finally placed at the heart of the church’s moral teaching. As New Labour’s Civil Partnership Act has amply demonstrated, no compromise on this issue is a good compromise.
A risible attempt at PR that does nothing to address the inherent homophobia of the church. Just how much self loathing would a gay person need to agreed to this?
Patronising much !! You can be gay , you just can’t be a sexual being. No ta.
We really should not be subjected to any more of this farcical nonsense. Distestablish them and kick their shamans out of the legislature. It’s long, long overdue.
Why do you care what these clerics have to say about marriage. Get the law passed go government can perform the marriage. If the church doesn’t want any part of it they can go F themselves. If I need to have a surgery, I might think it nice for the corner butcher to do it, but if he tells me it’s not a service he is willing to perform I guess I will go to those who should be doing it in the first place. Let them have their little power trip if it makes them happy. Get married where people are willing to do it. Don’t break your head for those F-ers.
Pathetic. Either stop being homophobic bigots or stop trying. This desperate attempt to cling to your bigotry while trying to prove that you’re not evil, honest, is pathetic
It saddens me that there may be GBLT people out there so damn desperate for approval from this hateful institution that they’d actually welcome this
There are. I, and I’m sure all of us, know some if them. It beggars belief, but there you go.
And I bet they think we’ll all be grateful. My response – admittedly as an atheist – GET STUFFED!!!
I am an Anglican and I still say they can GET STUFFED!!!
I once read a protest sign that I thought profound. It said, “Keep your church out of my crotch!” A pearl of wisdom, I think.
It’s up there with “Keep your laws off my body”
Of course . . .
ALL straight priests of all denominations are ‘celibate’ so that’s equality . . .
Welby should ask himself a very simple question……!Would Jesus Discriminate”?
If the answer is in the affirmative the we would all know that the CofE, as it is set up, is NOT an inclusive Church for all men and women regardless of race or sexual orientation.
If the answer is in the nagative….what the fuck are we all debating. This then becomes a non-debate and the Church should follow what is pretty certain to become the law of the land.
And what are they moaning about…it will mean more money for the Church!
You are naïve to think they care what Jesus would think or do. It’s power there up to not servanthood as it should be!
I think thats what the issue is they can’t stand to see the fact that gay couples are spending so much money in other churches – this is like a middle road to not recognise them as equal but to take their money thru blessing their civil partnership which is already permissive law which they refused to allow before.
An attempt at detoxifying (a little without upsetting their extremists) so that they can make more money.
I think they have been given a reality check and realised that so many will leave to go to another church.
I mean its been what 5? years since they were able to bless CPs and they refused to do so, why the sudden change of mind now?
I mean its not as if ‘God’ ever changes his mind on whats right and wrong – are they admitting that God never really had a problem with it to start with?
In Canada, we’ve legal SS Marriage for longer than that but we still can’t marrry in the Anglican church here either. Their afraid (i think) that the entire continent of Africa will have a collective stroke were they to allow SS Marriage in church. I have come to undrestand that the powers that be are less concerned about us on the ground and more concerned about the status quo. Very ironic, the sell their soul to govern the church!
If these tired old tossers think this is an olive branch they can think again. It would be utterly squalid for ALL concerned to ask civil partners to be celibate. I sincerely hope nobody would abase themselves by lying in order to receive this meaningless and inhuman “blessing”. It would compound their humiliation..
Do you only have to promise to stay celibate during the actual service ? I don’t see that it is too much to ask.
At the end of the day they need to treat employees on the same basis – if you don’t require a heterosexual priest to be celibate, you can’t require someone who is gay to. They are delaying and tinkering and trying to work out fudges, but at the end of the day they will be required by the government to treat people who are gay the same as anyone else. Perhaps not in marriage, not yet, but in terms of employment and opportunity — the drive for this whole process of enabling gay clergy to become bishops all stems from them being the ‘state’ religion, and being told to get it sorted.
This is the most risible notion yet promulgated by self-torturing Christians. Why not also bless smokers who do not smoke and wine lovers who abstain from wine and heterosexuals who do not use condoms (an idea for the Catholics!). What they need to do is get over their hang ups about sex and be glad that people are loving each other and not killing each other.
So any person with a c*ck can be a leader of the faith and a paragon of virtue, but any person (male or female) who allows another person’s c*ck inside them is going to hell. The beardies at the Anglican church can pretend to be the feel-good alternative to Catholics but organised Western religion is all about authoritative hierarchy, misogyny and sexism