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France: 340,000 protest against equal marriage rights in Paris

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  1. Scott Rose 13 Jan 2013, 5:18pm

    Filthy Catholic gay-bashing bigots. France has a strong progressive and liberal streak of course — and Hollande won the election by a landslide — with a platform that included marriage equality, so these Vatican hoodlums can go fuck themselves! Equality is coming. Still, you have to remember that racist bigoted assholes in France were responsible for such crimes against humanity as the round-up at the Vel d’Hiver. These were the grandparents of the gay-bashing bigots of today:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vel'_d'Hiv_Roundup

    1. Agree, but France is absolutely not a progressive country … I’ve lived there for about a year. It’s one of the most conservative and unfriendly countries in Western Europe.

      1. From my experience. Especially paris. The french lads might be sexy, but it’s a horrible place to live.

        1. johnny33308 13 Jan 2013, 9:49pm

          been there, hated it……VERY unfriendly in fact, unlike any other place in Europe or the UK…won’t go back

    2. Lived in France for 4 years. Very friendly place to be where I live right in the heart of France. There is a demonstration for pro gay marriage and adoption in 2 weeks from now that I along with many others will be attending :-D

  2. Such charming people. Keep going Hollande. On this policy you’re right.

  3. Thank you France, at least now I know where NOT to go on holiday to spend my hard earned Gay money!

    1. So you want to ignore the country that is about introduce equal marriage? Where you are going to spend your ‘hard earned gay money’. Iran, Uganda or maybe Russia?

      1. How about Canada?
        beautiful country, complete LGBT rights, friendly, varied, an adventure.

        and no pretentious French waiters in Cafés who think they are better than their clientele.

        1. Paul - Toronto 13 Jan 2013, 7:56pm

          What about the Quebecois?

          1. Christopher in Canada 13 Jan 2013, 8:10pm

            They speak English as soon as they see a tip in your hand…

          2. What about the seal cubs

          3. you’ve obviously never been, have you.
            the Quebecois are as different from the French as Brits are from Harbor Seals.

    2. You’re always welcome here in Belgium :). This being said, the UK doesn’t have equal marriage either yet … 10 (!!) years after it became a fact in Belgium ..

      1. Exactly.

  4. The coverage on the BBC was frightening. They are presenting this march as reasonable behaviour. Why isn’t Pink News reporting the bias in the BBC?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Jan 2013, 8:09pm

      I wouldn’t mind betting the BBC is trying to foment a similar demonstration in the UK with probably far fewer participating although it would make hay out of it as if it were representative of the entire UK population. They will spin it and so too will those in opposition here to make turn it into something bigger than it really is. It’s their way to instill fear and sends a message to those opponents in Parliament to make sure they vote no and to those on the fence.

      1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jan 2013, 10:30am

        Indeed, I believe that too. It’s typical of the BBC but why do we Have to pay for a licence fee when they clear have no wish to represent us Or being as they’re supposed to be…impartial!

    2. Sorry you were frightened by the coverage on the BBC and that you feel so strongly that anyone who disagrees with you is unreasonable. I guess Pink News did not report the bias as there was nothing to report.

      1. Is that it Pink News? Did you not see any bias in the BBC’s reporting of this?

        1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jan 2013, 10:33am

          I agree it is time PinkNews highlighted the BBC, reporting and asking the questions of they they clearly feel they should discriminate against society.

          What is PinkNews afraid of? Isn’t this about journalism?

    3. Jock S. Trap 14 Jan 2013, 10:29am

      Yep, typical of the BBC!

      I think they need a new dictionary to actually see what the word ‘impartial’ means, as it’s supposed to be what they are.

      I think I’m gonna ask for a breakdown of the TV licence and seek what part I shouldn’t be paying!

      1. Gay people should stop paying for a TV license full stop. I did 2 years ago and I told them it was because of their biased reporting on gay issues.

        If you don’t watch live broadcast you don’t have to pay it in the first place.

        1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jan 2013, 11:17am

          I agree!

          I pay a subscription per month for TV I do want yet have to by law pay £145 a year for a corporation that I don’t want nor clearly wants me. Time for choice I think.

  5. Slightly off topic but: Why is this piece of news on the BBC news homepage and yet they never seem to put pro gay news on the front page? Is it me or is the BBC actually quite homophobic?

    1. No the BBC employed 1000s of LGBT people. Its all part of the plan

    2. After recent criticisms of being ‘PC’ (whatever that means) and noises of privatisation, I suspect that to protect itself from political interference, the BBC is editing its news with a right wing biais.

      1. Jock S. Trap 14 Jan 2013, 11:14am

        Well then let the people it wants to represent pay for it!

        I wouldn’t pay to join the BNP or UKIP (or any party for that matter) but thats a choice people have.

        We don’t have the choice with the BBC and yet they clearly expect money from everyone in society they don’t represent.

  6. This is good news. In the scheme of things, 120,000 is not very much considering the population

    1. That There Other David 13 Jan 2013, 7:11pm

      Indeed. By my reckoning that 120,000 people is less than 0.2%. If that’s really all that the anti- crowd can muster this law will breeze through.

    2. Very good news, considering that tha BBC said “The organisers put the number of marchers at 800,000″

      I calculate that turnout to be a dismal 15%

      1. I read that numbers of catholics from Britain travelled over to Paris for the demonstration.

    3. PN is the only place I’ve seen 120,000. HuffPo and some others have reported 340,000.

      Again, why the poor coverage PN?

    4. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 4:14pm

      Yes, and the revised figure of 340,000 isn’t anything to worry about either, risible considering there are over 2.5 million people living in Paris and another 8 million in it’s environs. Cold weather would never deter a bigot from turning out to demonstrate either.

    1. Naturally. NOM = Catholic funded bigot machine.

  7. PeterinSydney 13 Jan 2013, 7:41pm

    Only 120,000! That means it was a total flop and complete waste of time, given that Mr Holland will not change the momentum towards marriage equality in France.

  8. So 120,000 bigoted homophobes live in france. I suspect they are right wing voters who don’t like the socialist government. And most are probably catholics, inspired by the vaticans recent homophobic outbursts. Whatever they are, they are also sad and pathetic human beings.

  9. johnny33308 13 Jan 2013, 7:55pm

    Big deal! In the US millions marched AGAINST Civil Rights for black people. That IN NO WAY made it alright, or even OK, and it certainly was not RIGHT. That just meant they were all BIGOTS! Nothing else can be gleaned from such a clearly anti-human activity.

  10. This, on first reading,is quite distressing but polls do show that a majority of French do support equal marriage. The Francophobic comments above are inappropriate as these 120000 protesters are likely to be Roman Catholic morons driven to the streets by their bishops.

  11. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Jan 2013, 8:05pm

    120,000 is piss poor. The population of Paris is roughly 2.5 million so that makes about 0.05% of them bothering to protest and out of the French population a meagre 0.002%. Absolutely laughable.

    1. bobbleobble 13 Jan 2013, 8:10pm

      Plus I suspect large numbers of the people protesting were probably brought in to make the numbers look as big as possible and even then they only managed 120,000

    2. That There Other David 13 Jan 2013, 8:17pm

      There’s a lot more people than that in Paris if you include its suburbs. Around 10 million people in total.

    3. Oh dear, Robert, back to school methinks.

      120k out of 2.5 million is actually 5% of the Paris population, but the most likely accurate figure as provided by the cops – circa 340k – makes it nearer 15% who turned out to march:- whichever way you look at it not insignificant amounts.

      And with a population of 65 million that represents around 0.5% of the total French populace out in force against the concept of gay marriage.

      We delude ourselves by pretending this was anything less than a significant protest march.

      1. 340,000 is still less then half of what Paris Pride got last year. Regardless this isn’t going to hold the reform back. Spain had similar demonstrations when they were debating same-sex marriage and guess what, it still passed.

      2. That There Other David 14 Jan 2013, 12:03pm

        Samuel, if you’ve been to Paris, and I have to assume that you have, you would know its population is MUCH bigger than 2.5 million. In the same say that the population of Manchester is only some 400,000 yet Greater Manchester is over 2 million the wider city of Paris has four times the population of the central area, all within easy public transport reach of the protest zone.

        This march was nothing in the grand scheme of things. If the numbers had been upwards of 1.5 million I’d give it some attention. As they are massively short of that it can be ignored as a few UMP voters and hardcore Catholics airing already stated grievances.

      3. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 1:12pm

        You need a few million to have any significant impact and it just wasn’t there, so stop trying to skew it and make it to be something bigger than it is, delusional fool. You’re outnumbered and pissed off because your bigot friends couldn’t even get a measley 800,000 to turn out in a population of 65+ million, a paltry number. If the country were so against it, why couldn’t it even get 1 million? You need to face reality! Its coming whether you like it or not. So what will you do once it passes on January 27? Go live in Iran? Come back and tell us how equal marriage in France will have significantly affected your life and the lives of all those married heterosexuals or even your ability to marry. Am looking forward to the evidence.

        1. Ooh touchy!

          It’s you who have the math wrong, not me, though I do concede I was mistaken to use the “2.5 million” figure cited by another poster when clearly Paris’s population is far greater.

          Calm down dear and put the kettle on.

  12. These screaming bigots have got to be ignored. Let’s hope that Hollande realizes this and continues with his intention to give LGBT their equal rights.
    That is the only way to go. In time their screams will die away.

  13. GingerlyColors 13 Jan 2013, 8:38pm

    0.2% of the French population with nothing better to do on a Sunday.

    1. It is not even 0.2% the number protesting was 0.05% of the Parisian population that is not even taking into account the 0.002% of the entire population!

      1. That There Other David 14 Jan 2013, 1:29pm

        Dan, sorry to act like a maths teacher, but to calculate a percentage you have to times the initial division by 100 afterwards. Otherwise the placing of the decimal point doesn’t take into account that a % figure already refers to 1/100ths of the total.

        Cheers ;-)

  14. The BBC says “Hundreds of thousands of protesters have taken to the streets ” I think they support the anti-equality brigade.

    1. bobbleobble 13 Jan 2013, 10:29pm

      I read the story on the BBC website and the famous ‘balance’ was on display yet again. Multiple comments from the anti marriage lot but nothing from pro gay organisations and the only quote they have from the government is one unnamed minister saying that there were less people than expected. I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

    2. That There Other David 13 Jan 2013, 10:32pm

      Yep. They give far more airtime to the anti-equality side of the argument, they inflate the numbers of protests against, and they use every opportunity to sensationalise what is a small change in the law that will benefit some and see no change for most. The BBC is most definitely not impartial on this.

  15. France will have another ‘Manifestation pour l’égalité’ in Paris on the 27th Januaryhttps://www.facebook.com/events/185968891542715/

    1. It was a good turn out last year and I will be attending again this year. They spent about a million euros on the anit-gay protest and yet the LGBT community and others spent 20,000 euros for the ‘Equality for all Demonstration’ last year. Frigide used cheap tricks this year. She rallied around and got gay people who opposed gay marriage and adoption and they even stood by her side today and one gay guy compared Hollande and gays to the nazis! Them two blonde haired lunatics leading an anti-gay protest and the lady herself even has a song called ‘Fais-moi l’amour avec 2 doigts’ (Make love to me with 2 fingers) just makes the French laugh because she is a full on hypocrite! The protest today was laughable, the shows they put on were bizarre to the say the least! It was mainly old naïve people who all had they transport paid for and old people love a free day out especially when they get their food and wine supplied for them!

  16. I’ve been to Paris quite a few times and on quite a few occassions there have been marches. I think the French take marches with a pinch of salt, part of French/Parisian life. This march will only be counter marched by a pro marriage/socialist march. Hollande has a big majority and the Socialist party seem determined to get this thru. That’s really the only important thing.

    I agree with others 120,000 is not that good.

  17. The police put the figure at around 340,000 so clearly some cause for concern, as the organizers are always going to attempt to downplay and trivialize the true numbers.

    And the weather in Paris today was colder than London, so heaven knows how many would have turned out on a balmy summer’s day!

    1. bobbleobble 13 Jan 2013, 11:35pm

      The organisers said 800,000, they hugely overinflated the numbers to make it seem like more turned up than did.

      1. And I said my appendage was 12 inches long, but when I actually measured it I disbelieved the ruler !

        Tip; Never ask an organiser of a march how many people were on it !

        1. Exactly, which is why I am pointing out the police estimate which is always likely to be the most accurate one (really, how tiresome and predictable that the radical fringe will always seize upon the figure that best serves their purpose).

          The demonstrators claim 800k-plus, the pro-gay marriage lobby claim 120k, so the police figure of circa 350k seems reasonable and likely to be most accurate as press coverage picked up on several separate marches in the city which must each have been circa 100k strong all converging into one mass anti-gay marriage protest.

          It should also be noted that the organisers went to lengths to stress the demo was not anti gay as some on here are knee jerking about but anti the concept of marriage being redefined.

          1. bobbleobble 14 Jan 2013, 9:24am

            Oh of course they’ll say it wasn’t anti-gay but if I’m not going to believe them about the turn out then why would I believe their motivations? They marched to ensure that gay people don’t achieve equal rights with straight people. That’s anti-gay however you try to spin it.

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 1:03pm

      Well then, let’s see, France has a population of 65+ million people which would mean that a meagre 340,000 would signify a meagre 0.5% of the population demonstrated. Laughable! Hardly a representative number to have any significance or import. It couldn’t even get the inflated number of 800,000 which still would not suggest the majority are against, or 1.2% of the entire population. Again, laughable. It’s even more laughable that people like you think 340,000 is a vast number in the scheme of things. Where are the millions who are against it throughout France if they feel so strongly about not legislating for it?

      1. So why not a pro-gay marriage rights rally to counter this demo, anyone?

      2. Just because “only” 340,000 took part does not make this number at all insignificant, as much as we would like it to be.

        Just because you are against something it does not follow that you will travel from every corner of the country to march against it.

        Most of the UK was against invading Iraq yet “only” 1 million attended the March in 2003.

        Therefore it can be surmised that 340,000 people in fact represents many millions of fellow countrymen who elected to stay home on one of the coldest weekends of the year and keep their feet warm!!

  18. Gay Pride Paris 2010 – 500,000

    Gay Pride London 2011 – 1 MILLION.

    Who cares if 120,000 bigots and people with nothing to do on a Sunday helped the French economy by going to Paris for a day out. I think they’re just making the case for change – when people can see the real homophobia. Having the National Front as allies really means you’ve hit rock bottom.

    1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 14 Jan 2013, 12:04am

      I wish so much agree with You! Yes, numbers are numbers: according police, at least 340 000. Its not big. 1984 was at least 500 000 in the last Catholic demonstration against French government – against Socialist reform of school system and end of independence of religious schools. This time Socialists has lost. Lets hope, 2013 we will have nice ‘revanche’.

  19. The French Governement need to get the legislation into the Parlianment ASAP. Too much time given for the religious bigots to mobilise their hatreds. What is there to debate? Bring it in and let decent human beings get on with their lives! Justice and personal freedoms to victory over those that worsip ‘thin air’ ,hatred and bigotry!

  20. Correction :

    FRANCE: 800,000 PROTEST AGAINST DISTORTING MARRIAGE IN PARIS

    1. GulliverUK 14 Jan 2013, 1:08am

      Give it up troll. Get back to the Catholic Herald.

      Don’t keep baiting people on here or it will be seen as harassment.

    2. Pavlos Prince of Greece 14 Jan 2013, 4:02am

      With ‘distorting marriage’ you mean of course secret marriage between Joseph Natzinger and his personal secretary (or favorite of court, as you, grand lover of medieval culture, maybe like better) Georg Genswein. Well, now its highest time for coming out, I suspect: even Italy since last Friday is closer to recognition of same-sex couples. Good.

    3. Dave North 14 Jan 2013, 8:12am

      Correction:

      FRANCE: 64,000,000 DON’T PROTEST AGAINST DISTORTING MARRIAGE IN PARIS.

      1. I don’t know how to say this but I’m RALMFAO – that is just brilliant thinking.

  21. GulliverUK 14 Jan 2013, 1:24am

    At the end of the day WE score 21 on the ILGA Rainbow map, and France scores a disgraceful 6.

    http://www.ilga-europe.org/home/publications/reports_and_other_materials/rainbow_europe_map_and_index_may_2012

    I feel sorry for people who are gay in France, but hope that soon both equal marriage and adoption rights will correct that score to what it should be.

    Nobody can take France seriously when it has a score of 6.

  22. Liberty Equality and Fraternity – for some it seems.

  23. David Cary Hart 14 Jan 2013, 4:15am

    I note that our Brian gnikcuf Brown was in Paris. And Pinknews – this is NOT “anti marriage equality;” This is anti-equality.

    Surrounded by heraldic trappings, these Bishops still think that they are part of a parallel aristocracy. It’s long past time for these celibates to get a grip. If they had an ounce of sense they would realize that a few gays getting hitched (about 2.5% of marriages if Spain is a template) isn’t an end-of-days issue.

  24. Odd how ignorant French peasants protested for their rights and now they want to stomp on someone else’s. egalitarian my arse. HONTE SUR VOUS, LA FRANCE. seems to me no one gets along in petite France, so this is not a surprise. The sheer delight in their archaic bigotry makes my blood boil though. That catholic Spain did not resort to this level of outright hatred says a lot about the dear French…

    1. That There Other David 14 Jan 2013, 12:06pm

      If you think about it 10% of the French electorate regularly vote for the FN (or its many personality-cult offshoots), yet how often to the FN ever form a government. Don’t blame the French, blame the usual reactionary idiots that exist all over Europe.

      BTW, there were comparatively larger protest marches in Madrid at the time. Didn’t stop Zapatero from proceeding then, won’t stop Hollande now.

  25. How narrow minded some people can be, are straight people the only who are allowed to get married, if two people love each other they should be allowed to marry

  26. Hey Pink News, if BBC doesn’t cover the pro-equality manifestation in the same way they covered this one are you finally going to start reporting on BBC bias?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 12:46pm

      I’m also waiting for StonewallUK to say something. Where is Summerskill lately?

  27. And as usual this was organised by the religious idiots!

  28. https://twitter.com/valeriomotta/sta…/photo/1/large

    not say me there are 800.000 protest yesterday….

    The law will be voted….we just have to wait

  29. Jock S. Trap 14 Jan 2013, 10:23am

    Can’t imagine why they voted for a government knowing that this, like here in the UK, was a mandate.

    Fact is they did vote for this as a majority so it’s clear the minority wanna make a noise. It just really means tens of thousands bigots took to the street.

    Suck it up Bigots!!

  30. If we put percentages and voting numbers aside this is still a very large number of people who think it’s OK to march through a capital city giving voice to their hatred. It somehow reminds me of things that happened in another European country in the 30s and which led to the murder of millions of people simply because they were Jewish, gay or politically left. It’s chilling.

    1. That There Other David 14 Jan 2013, 1:32pm

      Given that this is France, where they are globally famous for their propensity to take to the streets in their millions over quite minor things, this isn’t a large number. It’s not even a minor drop in temperature, let alone chilling.

  31. Just because “only” 340,000 took part does not make this number at all insignificant, as much as many on here would like it to be.

    Just because you are against something it does not follow that you will travel from every corner of the country to march against it.

    Most of the UK was against invading Iraq yet “only” 1 million attended the March in 2003.

    Therefore it can be surmised that 340,000 people in fact represents many millions of fellow countrymen who elected to stay home on one of the coldest weekends of the year and keep their feet warm!!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 4:10pm

      Stop the apologetics. Get used to it, equal marriage is coming whether you like it or not. There are 10 million people living in environs around Paris who could have taken the time to get on the bus or train or drive in. Using bad weather as an excuse is pretty dismal and further proof just how desperate people like you are. After it passes on January 27, I want you and those other delusional closet case self-loathers who come in here and provide us with the facts just how it will have affected you or the marriages of heteros and those who will continue to marry, f_cktard!.

      1. Sweetie, why all this antagonism merely for pointing out your mental arithmetic leaves a lot to be desired.

        Your spelling also is pretty poor:- since when did Kennington have an ‘S’ in it?

        Just saying…

  32. Glad to to see the french don’t take any nonsense and get out there and do something about it .Vive la France! Vive la Résistance!

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 4:11pm

      Yes, an exercise in utter futility because equal marriage is going to pass regardless. Ha f-cking ha!

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 14 Jan 2013, 4:33pm

      Oh well, French hetero married males are just like their Italian neighbours renowned for keeping a mistress on the side (Francois Mitterand, Sarkozy as two notorious examples, societal condoned adultery sending a clear message to children that so called ‘christian’ values include a hetero family of one father and two mothers or one mother and two fathers in some cases. Not a word of condemnation of course, perfectly normal in French society. Not a word of condemnation or derision from the perverse roman cult.

  33. Robert Edwards 14 Jan 2013, 5:00pm

    When they realized that 120k wasn’t enough to impress the public or the media, especially the homophobia of the BBC. Are there any independent numbers? The hypocrisy of the French (Catholics) when their priests and bishops are accused of pedophilia, when their history is riddled with the most heinous crimes, killing and sacrificing children, burning women at the stake – the list is very long regarding their crimes against humanity. And now these bigots have the audacity to demonstrate against two people loving each other. If this is what the French mean by Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité, then perhaps we should go back to the times before 1789. French Gays, what the hell are you doing to allow these bigots to march freely without any counter demonstration. Please France tell the world that you are not homophobic and reverting back to the dark ages. There will be a mass exodus from these hate filled bigots of the French intelligentsia, French Gays, and civilized individuals, and they will

    1. Robert Edwards 14 Jan 2013, 5:06pm

      This is when the fascists and right wing fundamentalists come out from their hovels.. Always during bad times – they stir to cauldron of miss-content…

  34. WOW !

    https://twitter.com/LaManifPourTous/status/290524449487343616/photo/1/large

    That’s 800,000 if ever I seen 800,00 !

    This is only one of 3 processions !:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozjsyvc8eRE

    I notice the headline it’s now 340,00 protest yesterday it was 100,000 ! – up a bit , up a bit… 800,000.

  35. Maybe they can rally to clean up Marseilles while they are there.

  36. 340,000 is far from an insignificant number, as much as some of us would like it to be.

    Just because you are against something it does not follow that you will travel from every corner of the country to march against it.

    Most of the UK was against invading Iraq yet “only” 1 million people attended the protest march in 2003.

    Therefore it can be surmised that 340,000 people in fact represents many millions of fellow French countrymen who elected to stay home on one of the coldest weekends of the year and keep their tootsies warm.

  37. Homophobia is not a condition recognized by psicjhiarists. Phobia is an unreasonable fear. No sane person fears homsexuals or their practices, but most realize it is a sickness that does have a cure: reason!

  38. These religious extremists represent a TINY proportion of the population of France. Marches like this are indicative of the desperation of the catholic church to retain it’s power and control. They are losing the battle because young people are rejecting the dogma. Look at the average age of the protestors. Ancient. The government should just change the gay marriage law and move on. These old bigots and their disgusting, child-mollesting, hate-filled religion will soon be gone anyway.

  39. Serves them right for protesting then. Should just keep quiet and accept that change is coming!

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