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The report warns: “While most so-called slammers inject the drugs dissolved in water, some are withdrawing their blood with a needle, adding either crystal meth or mephedrone to that blood, and then re-injecting it into themselves or someone else. Users can then be high for days, reinjecting and having sex with multiple partners without protection.”
That absoutely horrifies me! At what point in your life would you decide this is the best option for you?
If you get the chance to see Queer As Folk (USA version) something similar is covered in there and it horrified me. The Ted character gets involved in this sort of thing and it doesn’t take much of an imagination to work out how STI rates will increase as a result of what he got up to.
You do realise that was a TV drama, and didn’t actually happen?
What are you smoking exactly, fagburn?
Some clarity would explain a lot.
I’m pretty sure the first article in the UK press/media bout how crystal meth was taking over the London gay scene was in a short-lived magazine called Phase in 1994.
At least once a year every year since there’s been at least one scare article claiming the same thing.
It’s a great sensationalist story – gay sex and drugs and death – but has never been based on reliable research, just hearsay and drugs hysteria – and often homophobia.
This has more to do with journalists overhyping stories to sell them to newspapers – not many gay men are taking meth isn’t really worth publishing – and certain drug workers doing the same scare tactics in the hope of securing funding to fight a non-existent NEW GAY DRUG PLAGUE.
They were wrong so many, many times before, I wonder if they’re right this time…
While this current article is somewhat sensational, many studies show an large increased risk to HIV infection from Meth use.
To think that such is a “NEW GAY DRUG PLAGUE” is not only ridiculous but unfounded. I am American and have been involved in HIV education. The risk of Meth use is so high, that many HIV prevention programs are shifting money into Meth prevention.
Even on the street, the word is stay away from those who “party and play.”
Shocking and disgusting. I don’t think I will ever understand these men who engage in reckless behaviour. Sad.
Interesting statement. If I said the same about homosexual sex I would be labelled homophobic so how come it is acceptable for you to label the ‘behaviours’ of consenting crystal meth community as disgusting
DMK said…
“Shocking and disgusting. I don’t think I will ever understand these men who engage in reckless behaviour. Sad.”
My response…
Interesting statement. If I said the same about homosexual sex I would be labelled homophobic so how come it is acceptable for you to label the ‘behaviours’ of consenting adults in the crystal meth community as disgusting?
Is this another example of homodeviance causes hypocrisy?
DMK said…
“Shocking and disgusting. I don’t think I will ever understand these men who engage in reckless behaviour. Sad.”
My response…
Interesting statement. If I said the same about homosexual sex I would be labelled homophobic so how come it is acceptable for you to label the ‘behaviours’ of consenting adults in the crystal meth community as disgusting?
Is this another example of homo=deviance causes hypocrisy?
Why anyone would want to do Meths is beyond me !!!!
According to http://www.lifeormeth.com, great efforts were made to alert the THT and GMFA ten years ago about the potential for a catastrophe of HIV infections if gay men were not warned about the dangers of crystal meth and its anecdotal correlation to unsafe sex:- which they argued was no more risk-inducing than taking ecstasy.
The THT and GMFA shouted all such claims down and have continued to deny any link:- yet I know of several men since lost to meth who only seroconverted when they discovered this hideous compound.
Self-interests were among the conclusions drawn for no action being taken by these charities against what is the most highly addictive recreational drug yet to emerge on the London gay scene.
Sadly time has proven they’ve committed a gross act of negligence and dereliction of duty:- one that’s impacted to some degree on today’s record HIV rates.
Will we finally see awareness campaigns warning gay men of this highly addictive and destructive HIV-facilitating drug?
People didn’t “shout it down”.
People pointed out it wasn’t true.
Your idea of an “awareness campaign” suggests you have no idea how harm-reduction strategies work.
Sad – after all this time – and dangerous.
If it was not true ten years ago then why now is this report confirming that a link does indeed exist?
I presume you are/were one of the “shouters” still in abject denial?
Umm… it doesn’t “confirm” anything.
Can you read?
I can understand how people get animated and angry about this – there should be concern.
But some people have persistently lied about it.
Sad to see it still goes on.
With all due respect Samuel, you are are over-simplifying the issue & in doing so revert to your crusade against THT & GMFA Your approach is inconsistent when it comes to serious issues like this. How many times have you been highly critical of THT websites such as Hardcell & DrugFu*ked as you claim they are too graphic, & encourage risk taking behavior. Here you are claiming that THT & GMFA have ignored the problems associated with sex, drugs & alcohol use. How can this be so?
Some gay men will always engage in high risk taking behaviors, surely it is sensible to provide good quality harm reduction information that helps reduce the risks associated with activities such as slamming? As a society we should be looking at the underlying problems that lead to addiction & risk taking behaviours & provide effective interventions. I do not see drug & alcohol interventions something that Sexual Health Charities should be leading on, let the experts deal with these issues is my view
What people put into their own bodies shouldn’t be illegal because that approach doesn’t work. Each drug should have a different policy as to how we handle its wider effects on society. Eg Cannabis – decriminalise freeing up resources of the police to tackle real crime, harder drugs should only be available through prescription taking the power away from the gangs that control it. People will always want drugs & will always get them it’s how we deal with that fact that matters. Prohibition of alcohol showed us how this leads to crime & doesn’t stop people trying to get drunk even if it means risking death. Countries like Mexico are finally realising that prohibition is what feeds the criminal underworld.
This article is really shoddy.
Firstly much of the language is so convoluted that its hard to actually gauge what is meant.
Secondly nowhere in the article of the quotes does it say what the alleged link between a drug use increase and STI infections actually is.
The section about slamming implies that men are deliberately withdrawing their own blood yet gives no reason as to WHY they would be doing that.
Given the convoluted language it appears they’re doing this to ‘stay high for days’ yet this isn’t actually what that section actually says.
I’m not Scott bashing but this is REALLY important to get some proper clarity in the writing, Pink News.
“The section about slamming implies that men are deliberately withdrawing their own blood yet gives no reason as to WHY they would be doing that.”
This is far from being my area of expertise, Staircase2, but I would surmise they are transfusing one anothers’ blood in order to maintain their highs?
I assume the drugs run out at some point, at which they get pretty desperate and conclude that the compound is still present in their blood, therefore they inject one another in order to stay high.
This is just too ghoulish beyond words to imagine but I would not put anything past the need of some people to get their fix.
Meth addiction is an affliction and social tragedy that is coming to define the underground sex scene, and ignoring it and allowing it to fester as the gay men’s HIV and so-called “health” charities have done only increases the likelihood for it to become a mainstream drug du jour before too long.
Another item that will be leapt upon and quoted in the comments section of the Telegraph when same sex marriage is discussed as it frequently is.
Ray
You may be right: but articles like this one provide the strongest argument for same-sex marriage imaginable.
LGBT people have been in the “tolerated but not equal” zone at the periphery of mainstream society for so long, and persecuted and repressed for far longer before that.
Marriage is the mainstream core social insitution for relationship unions, and as such it is acknowledged and supported by society. People who are married know what the commitment means, even if so many fail to live up to it.
CPs were introduced as a “marriage-lite” for 2nd class citizens: an improvement on what went on before, but not good enough. What is happening in many (particularly male) gay relationships today, is chaos, multiple sexual encounters, and often an oversexualisation and depersonalisation of sexual partners leading to habits that undermine the ability to connect and commit.
We need marriage and fidelity: not this commercialised and destructive hedonistic sex and drugs culture.
Yeah yeah.
Blame the drugs.
Or the booze.
Or you didn’t have any condoms on you.
Or he made you do it.
Excuses are like arseholes.
Everyone’s got one.
Everyone’s got an arsehole? I’d like to use yours Spanner, bb all the way! ;)
Crystal meth, get it into ya pet!
A good number of guys who attend “slamming parties” are themselves HIV-pos and participation in the activities outlined in this disturbing story are only likely to interfere with drug regimens and hasten full-blown AIDS, yet THT and GMFA remain as silent and indifferent as ever.
Indeed it could be argued that these agencies have demonstrably enabled and facilitated HIV transmission – and aggravated the presence of the virus in those infected. – through their inaction and ill-conceived policies.
Their willful denial of the proven meth/HIV correlation, HIV prevention ads that glamorise barebacking, their support of unsafe sex clubs, refusal to speak out against bareback porn, hardcell.org.uk, promoting PEP as a morning after pill for premeditated unsafe sex…
Cumulatively this roll call of willful failures must account for at least half of all new HIV infections and backs up claims that that they work in the interests of the pharmaceuticals above all else.
Shameful.
DMK said…
“Shocking and disgusting. I don’t think I will ever understand these men who engage in reckless behaviour. Sad.”
My response…
Interesting statement. If I said the same about homosexual sex I would be labelled homophobic so how come it is acceptable for you to label the ‘behaviours’ of consenting adults in the crystal meth community as disgusting?
Is this another example of homodeviance causes hypocrisy?
Are you David Icke, dear?
That was in reply to the eminently sane Samuel B, if that’s not clear.
I agree with Homo Deviance – sad to see how people who suffer bigotry and demonisation then reproduce it themselves.
“Disgusting drug users – ugh!”
LOL, your PC sabre-rattling answers my earlier question:- an HIV sector drone without a doubt.
Nope, I’m not.
Just rational and interested in facts and silly things like that.
Do you ever get anything right?
Perhaps too rational for your own good, sweetie:- time for you to peer outside the narrow confines of your rigid square box, methinks! :)