I hope he stands against UKIP in the next election in Chester, and makes a point about their anti-libertarian social policies in his campaign material.
Just like the BNP and the US Tea Party it increasingly looks like UKIP are just a flash in the pan. Back to obscurity by Christmas is my prediction.
The BNP is not a right wing party. First, its economic policies are left wing. Second, in any event, it should be considered on the extreme right rather than the “right” – in the same way that the Communist party should be considered to be on the extreme left.
The political spectrum is arranged like a circle. At the top of the circle (12 O’Clock position) are the centrist parties such as the Lib-Dems. Occupying the 10-11 O’Clock position on the left are Labour while the Conservatives are around the 1-2 O’Clock position on the left. More traditional left and right wing parties are found around the 9 and 3 O’Clock positions while the extreme parties such as the BNP and the Communists can be found near the bottom of the circle where many of their ideologies meet. Far-right parties often advocate nationalisation of many industries while Communists incorporate nationalist policies in their manifestos. There is effectively little difference between socialists and national socialists.
I’m with you on this. Exactly as I have always seen it.
Ahh but that depends upon how you define the Ideologies that lead the parties onward. While I agree with the principle of your roundel political spectrum I feel the issue is far far more complicated than even that.
I think that you’ve got it backwards, Communists advocate the nationalisation of industry along with a classless society and fascists/ the far right preach nationalism which includes national unity, xenophobia and the glorification of militarism. Both regimes are authoritatrian but there are differences.
I think you’ll find that there’s a huge difference between socialism and National Socialism. National Socialism includes extreme right elements-racism, anti-Semitism, nationalism and militarism. Also the Nazis supported private ownership, Hitler himself said:
“I absolutely insist on protecting private property… we must encourage private initiative.”
So actually there is a huge difference between socialism and National Socialism. Hitler and the Nazis never supported the idea of a classless society either, if anything they were completely for a rigid hierarchy.
Most people would agree that Stalin and Hitler were ideologically opposed, yet by the same token they met in the middle. By the end you couldn’t put a Rizla paper between them.
You’re a tory then?
To Spanner, yes they were both totalitarian and brutal were there were differences too. Besides we were discussing socialism in terms of ideology rather than Stalinist dictatorships and ideologically left wing socialism in democratic societies is very different from National Socialism. Hitler was no more socialist than the Democratic Republic of Korea (North Korea) is democratic. People who say Hitler was left wing probably lean towards the right themselves and don’t want to be associated with his regime, it’s their way of accusing left wingers of supporting tyrannical regimes and Daily Mail readers use these tactics all the time. To many Daily Mail readers anybody who is not as rabidly right wing as they are is “a Marxist” or on the far left, but that is not true. I have never seen the so-called “lefty PC brigade” speaking highly of Kim Jong-un or Stalin but I’ve seen plenty of Mail readers defending Nick Griffin and even Hitler….
There are two types of Mail commenter regarding Hitler: one type claim that he was the saviour of Europe against Bolshevism, the other type claim that he wasn’t right wing at all because they don’t want their beliefs to be associated with his. The latter seems somewhat more common.
Not so libertarian now.
GLBT rights are the foremost social issue of our time. Not since the era of Harvey Milk has society been so divided and so much been at stake. Although we are getting a lot of negative attention, it is amazing to be witnessing this. In one week two right wing party members are dismissed for supporting our equal rights. High rank religious figures are speaking up in our favour AND a Conservative leader is championing equality. How unimaginable was that just a few short years ago?
You say his branch said they wouldn’t campaign for him. If his views are so popular. how is it that his branch wasn’t full of people who *would* campaign for him?
As per the YI chairman – their views were known and not a problem. The problem was, as representatives of the party, putting their own views in the meda ahead of the party they are supposed to be representing.
Honestly I’m glad the ‘Liberals’ are being kicked out of UKIP as the party will look more and more like the mad bigots they actually are.
You’re an unperson now, Richard. You will never achieve grace in the Church of Nigel Farage.
UKIP IS A LIBERTARIAN, NON-RACIST PARTY
They have a funny way of showing it!
El Gabal, is that a serious point or are you being ironic?
I think he was being very serious.
I was very pro-UKIP until they came up with this crap and demonstrated their true colours.
I feel on this one policy alone they have lost more supporters than they have gained.
UKIP is the offical party representing bigots.
Haha, do you even know what the term Libertarian means?! Go pick up a book and take a read.
Ayn Rand would give you a slap for that statement.
It now appears that UKIP is to Gay rights, what the BNP is Race.
Are the BBC and SKY asleep?
I think it’s more the fact that “splits in UKIP” are rarely news. The party’s short history is full of them!
Maybe their silence condones it. They don’t even invite anyone on who supports equal marriage. The BBC in particular is infested with religious bigots. Doesn’t Murdoch own SKY? Need I say more?
I’m guessing the abortion of disabled feotuses is now official party policy. Since the UKIP member who suggested such has not been suspended as those in favor of marriage have been.
Anybody with a UKIP MEP, can you please write to question them about this.
Reeks of Tea Party!
just waiting for the book burning to start…
“We have religious-free weddings already in place. Why not simply remove the prohibition and offer the same courtesy to same-sex couples in love?” A man with some integrity and common sense.
Not only are religion free weddings in place, they are the weddings of choice for the majority of heterosexual couples.
I can smell cooked goose here. Recently UKIP has been on a roll, becoming Britain’s third party, banishing the Lib-Dems into fourth place and sidelining the dangerous BNP. UKIP’s stance against two of it’s members who advocate marriage equality while failing to rein in it’s more loony members is only going to count against them when the European elections are held in June 2014. Most people want a ‘Brixit’ from the EU including myself and I will not fall for scare tactics from either the USA or the EU itself. If it means that the UK ends up like Norway then bring it on! David Cameron must set a date for an ‘In or Out’ referendum on Europe as it will sideline UKIP and guarantee his tenancy of No. 10 Downing St. for years to come. It is no good making promises that end up getting broken faster than plates in a Greek restaurant.
Officially an anti gay party now then. Glad they have got that of their chest. Maybe all their members who have been in denial can now just walk away.
Yep only bigots are allowed into UKIP – it’s offical!
Shameful and disgusting!
UKIP is showing its true colours at last. We knew it was xenophobic, now we know it is homophobic too. What other phobias have yet to crawl out of the woodwork? I am beginning to agree with that (otherwise grim) social worker boss who refused to allow the UKIP couple to foster Eastern European immigrant children.
Just like the TeaParty/GOP in the U.S. with their “purity pledges” and on-going purges of RINOs (Republicans in Name Only). Some American conservatives realize that their racist and gay-baiting policies are shrinking their base to only Old White Men – and they’re all dying off.
In Alberta – Canada’s Texas – the hard-right conservative Wildrose Party was set to win the provincial election last year. Then they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory:
“As the four-week provincial election campaign drew to a close, Wildrose candidates Allan Hunsperger and Ron Leech, both pastors, caused a stir with statements that critics called intolerant. Mr. Leech told a radio station he had an advantage in his Calgary riding because he is white. Edmonton’s Mr. Hunsperger, in a year-old blog posting, said gays will spend eternity in a “lake of fire, hell.””
Gay-friendly posing as xenophobe. Try again.
And so the purge continues.
UKIP has shifted its brand – no longer the party of Brixit, it is now the party for grumpy old men.
Enjoy your warm beer and nostalgia, gentlemen. You’ll do well in 2015, and might well pick up some MPs. But this pursuit of the Victor Meldrew voter is an electoral dead-end, and pollutes your advocacy of departure from the EU.
Worst case scenario is it ends up panicking the Tories and pulling them to the right…