Ukip are heading for an implosion.
It was bound to happen one day: it claims to be a libertarian party, but has attracted thousands of anti-gay social conservatives who identify with the nasty part of the right wing. This is an internal contradiction that will not go away.
Ukip’s opposition to equal marriage has nothing to do with concerns about the ECHR or the C of E being “forced” to marry LGBT folk. It is an excuse for a homophobic and discriminatory policy that is right up the street of the right-wing Roman Catholic and evangelical crazies.
If Ukip are willing to sell their soul to the devil to win votes, there will be serious consequences when the debt is called in.
I really don’t know why they bother describing themselves as libertarians. They aren’t even like the American “Libertarians” who strongly oppose any kind of state control over businesses and the economy but don’t really care how the government treats individuals or foreign countries. Though UKIP are anti-tax, they want to increase spending in many areas of the government (while also saying they will reduce the deficit…), bring in protectionist trade policies, and seem to favour lots of state intervention in the manufacturing industry. Combined with their social conservatism, promises of a draconian approach to crime, and plans to vastly increase the size of the military, they seem to be authoritarian in every sense of the word. I can’t imagine why any left- or right-libertarian would support them.
The Libertarian Party in America apparently supports equal marriage. UKIP are totally fraudulent if they claim they are libertarian. If anything, they’re just an extreme right wing party bordering on fascism.
I am unaware of any political scientist who would consider UKIP to be libertarian. It’s just another instance of a figure involved in politics who appears to have little or no understanding of political science, or, for that matter, political history. Just like Ben Howlett himself, whose claims that these actions resemble those of the Communist Party (which Communist Party; there have been many in Britain, and even more abroad?) are bizarre and expose his own utter ignorance.
So when UKIP sacks people for opposing same-gender marriage, it is “an act more associated with the Communist Party than a serious political party”. But when a certain William Hague (who just happens to be the founder and honorary president of Conservative Future) sacked Shaun Woodward from his front bench for opposing Section 28, that was “unfettered discussion and debate without worry of losing your democratically elected position”?
Um, I mean “supporting same-gender marriage”, obviously.
But being a member of the front bench isn’t a democratically elected position, so your comparison is irrelevant.
Members of a front bench team (Cabinet or Shadow) do sign up to ‘collective responsibility’ and if you deviate from this then you can’t be part of that team; it doesn’t mean you can’t remain in your elected position though (be that MP, Councillor, or Voluntary Party Officer).
Didn’t the National Front expel one of their leading figures, Martin Webster, back in the 1980s for being gay? In 2013 UKIP have expelleld Olly Neville for supporting same-sex marriage, personally I think that UKIP are beginning to get the same reputation for bigotry. I know that more extreme views exist on both the left and right but as far as I was aware xenophobia, racism and homophobia were associated mainly with the far-right, at least in this country.
By using the word communist, it makes tories feel easier about the fact that most ukip voters are actually disillusioned extreme right tories.
They don’t want to officially recognise this.
I don’t know why this comment has been given the thumbs down, it’s actually spot on.
UKIP’s gays, one issue masochistic bunch
Just seen channel 4 news and Olly is a loony fruitcake, as David Cameron has said about UKIP.
“Yes I am pro bestiality and necrophilia being legalised as you ask. Why should the state tell me I cant?… the animal was never human, the corpse is no longer human… if people want to do it and want it to be done to them whats wrong with it? …when your dead are you alive? no. so are you a living human being? no your a shell, your not a person anymore … hey dont have to, they arent a person anymore, theyre property, its like having sex with your pillow.”
So Ben Howlett would welcome Olly with open arms?
I’m not so sure?
For short term benefit UKIP are trying to appeal to dinosaurs and homo hysterics in the tory party and maybe other parties, people who will later cast them of. However it will be too late for UKIP as they will have established themselves as just one more party of the extreme right. They will be unable to row back from the reputation they are creating for themselves.themselves.
For short term benefit UKIP are trying to appeal to dinosaurs and homo hysterics in the tory party and maybe other parties, people who will later cast them of. However it will be too late for UKIP as they will have established themselves as just one more party of the extreme right. They will be unable to row back from the reputation they are creating for themselves.
Seems David Cameron was right about UKIP. Don’t have anything to do with them.