“by compromise with the secular preoccupations of the West”
I think he is confused as this is the CofE deciding who is a bishop. Nothing secular about that at all.
I am a secularist and I don’t give a toss who is a bishop. They can make any old “primate” a bishop for all I care.
Ironic that religion which denies evolution calls their leaders primates.
Not really – the ecclesiastical usage long predates the zoological one.
Middle English: from Old French primat, from Latin primas, primat- ‘of the first rank’, from primus ‘first’
I know, just my sense of humour.
I loved it when I heard the pope referred to as just another mammal.
All they know is how to discriminate. Shocking since they try to go by the line religion means peace when we have seen anything but from these people along with the Roman Catholics.
They don’t think their words have consequences but as usual they care little about the blood spilled in their name.
They clearly fear a stable society they prefer to be in charge of chaos then dictate everyone else is communist.
Think it’s time to put to bed these discriminating, bigoted religions and let society goes on to progress.
Oh, just hurry up and schism already. This is just boring now.
Schism for Jesus!
This unchristian bullying by so-called religious conservatives must stop.
I do hope the new Archbish stands up to them and calls their bluff.
Unlikely. He’s on record as saying that he “admires” the Nigerian Church for their traditional values.
Because Jesus was such a traditionalist? – Oh wait, he wasn’t. At all.
Admiring someone for being traditional is a bit vacuous, and not very Christ-like.
I wonder how many people have turned away from the church today. It would be interesting if there was a proven link to the rubbish these people spout and their demise.
Go on, by all means, squabble amongst yourselves. Anything to hasten your own demise (and nothing of value will be lost).
Why do news outlets give such prominence to these dinosaurs and their internal self-strangulation? The latest census shows religious attendance / observance is at an all time low – around 1 person in every hundred is a regular church-goer. Gay issues don’t receive anything like the amount of coverage these old, out-of-touch, homophobic, misogynists do. It’s time we simply ignored their childish rants and let them and their Daily Mail reading followers wither into the mist of history.
I propose not only should the CoE have a schism but those UK Anglican clergy supporting equal marriage should have one of their own by forming an Episcopalian branch. Archbishop Justin Welby’s worst nightmare.
Disestablish them so that we don’t have to hear all this drivel. Let them cosy up to each other or go into schism as they please.
They would get attract pots of money and a takeover by the American Right. I’d rather have them under some sort of moderating control by parliament.
Although I’m a strong supporter for disestablishment, it wouldn’t shut them up. Just look at the Vatican for starters. Italy disestablished the roman cult in 1984 and it has become even more vicious and hateful than ever. Organised cults have been at the forefront of homophobia, in fact the principle proponents if you look at their sordid history. They just don’t like gay people, let’s face it. They wished we’d all disappear permanently.
Look at the quality of life and might I say a far better society of people we have than compared to out there where they are all so holy. How can they possibly think ‘god’ is on their side. I wish I could fast forward to a time where humanity has realise religion is a load of hoop and god doesn’t exist. More peaceful time’s they will be for sure.
*realised *times :S
The sooner these twits break away from the Anglican Communion the better it’ll be for the CoE.
Whenever anyone mentions “the West”, it is somewhat obvious that what they’re saying is determined by a political bias born in the Cold War.
The CofE needs to decide sooner rather than later, is it a Church of England, or a Church of Africa? It has to either be liberal or reactionary, every passing day makes it harder for the CofE to be both.
Read “Primate of Kenya” and chose another article.
Another witch doctor speaks.
Unfortunate terminology, “primate”, eh?
Rather it seems that homosexuality is a preoccupation with Anglican clerics in Black Africa.Poverty & hunger does not seem to concern them half as much as who is gay.
It is however “The Church of England” not the Church of Kenya,of Botswana,of Uganda.
I personally hope that with the new Archbishop of Canterbury – the CofE’s infatuation and I use that word advisedly,with black africa ceases promptly.
Pandering to these black clerics as well as the US-style “Evangelicals” who have invaded the CofE as was warned some years ago and the so-called “Traditionalists” has simply created and grown a huge gulf between the Cof E and its proper community – the people of England especially the YOUNG people of England.
Look at the Cof E congregations – nearly now wholly elderley with barely a smattering of folks under 20 or 25.
Put your own house in order Bishop Wabekulu and keep your nose out of our business.
“secular preoccupations of the West”… as opposed to the superstitious rants of the East and South?
I have met former Bishop V. Gene Robinson several times, and I attended the ceremony this weekend in New Hampshire for the transition of Bishops.
It is too bad that this man probably has never met Gene Robinson face to face, nor shook hands with him, for if he did he might find a really good man who had to endure much to bring his faith forward.
‘The primate of Kenya?!’ He certainly lives up to his name!
He should be thanking his god that this is his biggest and most pressing problem : Or he needs to look around his own backyard. There are far more important things to worry about in Kenya. Yet another single issue preoccupied fool.
More Joy and Love from the Church.
And by “compromise with the secular preoccupations of the West” he is of course taking about Human Rights, people…
Yeah, God forbid anyone should actually care about the internationally agreed concept of Human Rights eh…?
What an ungodly twat