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  1. Lucetta Scaraffia is a woman?
    Well, that settles it then.

    1 Timothy 2:12

    1. Even worse when the Vatican describes equal marriage as “intrinsically disordered” and compares it to polygamy. But their own prophets and heroes, those described in their own sacred book as “saints”, those who they follow their teachings, were in fact polygamists, therefore, also intrinsically disordered!!!
      No wonder all they talk is rubbish.

      1. It’s the RC church that is “intrinsically disordered”.

    2. Anti-gay Catholics and the Pope are more like anarchist and a evil Dictator.

  2. Christopher Hobe Morrison 6 Jan 2013, 3:01am

    Some of the most incredibly stupid and hateful statements seem to be coming out of the Vatican these days. What do they really think will be the reaction? Do they expect that the silent majority of believers will suddenly snap to attention and drive the evils of homosexuality and secularism out of the temple and restore the former unquestionning belief? Maybe they can bring back anti-semitism too?

    1. The Vatican — and the RC hierarchy in general — are operating within a hermetically sealed universe. It’s become as much a political stance as anything to do with belief — they can’t admit that there is any other valid point of view. If they do, they just become one among many, and they can’t afford the political cost of that.

  3. The chief child molester said what about LGBT people this time?

  4. Well if that is the case, we all know where the Vatican sympathies were during WW2 and that tradition continues today with their current leader!

    1. So far this week I have read that gay marriage is fascism and communism. They can’t seem to make up their minds how evil it is.

      Oh, and how many angels are there on the head of a pin?

      Typical meaningless religious drivel. Analyse the actual meaning of the words and there isn’t any. I have seen more truth spoken by candidates of The Apprentice in the first episode.

      1. My “first comment”, Pink News? Oh, no, it isn’t!

        Maybe cleaning out my cache (getting rid of that devil in my arsehole!) has fooled your system?

  5. “[E]galitarian utopia that did so much damage during the 20th century … deceiving humanity as socialism did in the past.” And there I was thinking that Christianity dreamt of an egalitarian utopia. I wonder if it has ever caused any damage in the past?

  6. GingerlyColors 6 Jan 2013, 6:47am

    One day Christian fundamentalists are comparing marriage equality to Nazism, now they are comparing it to Communism. I wish they make their minds up.

    1. Sorry I just repeated that. Great minds think alike.

      Oh, that will be why they cannot make up their minds, they are not great.

  7. Funny I never heard of communist Russia and China bringing in same sex marriage.

    Everything this woman says is a “negation of truth” and as for blaming us for destroying families then I’d suggest she look a bit more into the history of the Catholic church , their abuse of young children, their removal of children from single mothers and so on and so on….

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 Jan 2013, 2:29pm

      Exactly, and what about Spain under fascist dictator Franco who had the support of the roman cult, aided and abetted in fact? His thugs were actually torturing gay men to become straight and up until his demise, Spanish gays were subjected to electric shock treatment to shake the gay out of them. Then of course came Poland, another catholic addicted country where a considerable number of Poles collaborated with the Nazis to expedite Jews Gays and othe ‘undersirables’ to the death camps. So, how on earth did gay people bring all of that about I wonder? The roman cult needs a reminder of it’s history of evil, criminal abuse and cruelty committed against humaniy.

  8. The world in LGBT matters is devoloping in the right direction. The Catholic Church is a big liar.

  9. Throughout my whole lifetime I am not aware of the RC church launching such an attack on anything. They see Gay people as a threat – for what reason I cannot see – but with the language they use and their compassionless attitude they are are painting themselves into a very tight corner. They are losing.

  10. When will people open their eyes? The only imminent and enduring threat to the peace and stability of this world is Christianity. And unlike what liberals keep preaching again and again, the problem is religion itself. Without wood there can’t be fire. Remove religion and there cannot be the religious bigotry and hatred eating at our societies like a cancer.

    1. Yes, Xianity, and every other damn stupid religion (and there are many of them).

  11. They prefer Fascism.

  12. Totalitarianism can come in different guises. It can be implemented while brandishing a copy of “Das Kapital” “Mein Kamf” “Mao’s Little Red Book” or brandishing the “Bible” or the “Koran”

    1. It can also come under the guise of political correctness, “progress”, “tolerance” and “equality”.

      1. “Progress” “tolerance” “equality” Oh, what dreadful impositions, what a nightmare.

      2. “Progress” “tolerance” and “equality” wow, yes, what a nightmare eh? Oh, I think you may have forgotten “cultural marxism” “common purpose” and those damn shape shifting lizards.

        1. Totalitarianism in the GUISE of progress, tolerance and equality is a nightmare, yes. What people like YOU refer to as progress, tolerance and equality is actually to give special rights and privileges to minority groups with Protected Status, while making heterosexual, white males second class citizens.

          1. By “special rights and privileges” do you mean possibly giving tax paying consenting adults the same rights as say a serial adulterer or a straight serial killer?

          2. Jock S. Trap 7 Jan 2013, 11:54am

            Where the hell do you get ‘special rights’ as equal? Seems this again is reverse psychology. It is the religious extremist etc who have ‘special rights’ esp with regards marriage. It is heterosexuals who have ‘special rights’. Why shouldn’t we have equal rights? This is no long acceptable.

          3. Assuming you’re both men (can’t be too careful on this site I guess), you both have the right to marry a woman, exactly the same as I do.

      3. Troll! And an incredibly stupid, obvious one at that. You’re not a victim, you’re a tw@t. Grow up.

        1. You know, whenever I hear a feminist or a homosexual in the First World whining about how oppressed they are, despite having Protected Status, those are my thoughts exactly. I’m tired of listening to their spoilt, childish and self-indulgent tantrums, and I just want to tell them to grow up and deal with it like the rest of us have to, so maybe you should take your own advice.

          If “oppression” to you is not being allowed to marry your own sex, you’re not keeping yourself busy enough. This self-indulgent crap is the result of a society which has been at the top of the food chain for too long, and takes its security and prosperity for granted. The whining, First World minority groups who would undermine our society for the sake of gay marriage need a dose of reality. You never hear people in the Third World complaining about this petty nonsense, they’re too busy dealing with real problems that actually matter.

          1. Whether you are just a troll, or you really believe this bull, you really are truly pathetic.You want to talk spoilt and childish? Take a look in the mirror. Your whining is the self-interested viciousness of the truly morally bankrupt – the majority of society has decided we should move towards being as equal as possible and you throw your toys out of the pram because as a white, presumably straight, male you no longer have a unique privilege to dictate to and oppress others. Just another bully who cries ‘it’s not fair’ when told their behaviour is unacceptable.

            Equal marriage rights compromise national security and economic stability, as you say in your next piece of vacuous, bigoted vitriol? FFS, how on earth do make that spectacular leap of illogic?

            And what are you doing on a gay news site anyway, if we are anathema to you? You do know what homophobia suggests about you, don’t you?

            I’m not going to bother responding to any more comments from you – you are beneath contempt.

        2. And I’ve said this elsewhere on here, but you need to hear it too.

          Homosexuals have a one-track mind. By aligning themselves with other groups, and voting for political parties, which have compromised the national security and economic stability of this country, they have put us all in danger, but they don’t care about that. As long as they have the right to get married, that’s all that matters to them. That is selfish and irresponsible behaviour. Try doing what’s best for the country as a whole for once, not just the selfish and narrow agenda of the homosexual lobby.

        3. The majority has decided no such thing, no matter what some rigged polls in the Guardian say. And as a straight, white male, I’m ENTITLED to unique privilege. That’s what really burns you, isn’t it? You want what is rightfully mine, and you can’t bear the fact that some of us still won’t give in are willing to defend what is rightfully ours.

          There’s no reason for straight, white males to relinquish what is rightfully theirs. The fact that minorities are jealous of us is not a reason. They just need to get over it and learn to live gracefully as a minority.

  13. PeterinSydney 6 Jan 2013, 10:14am

    The Vatican , Pope Vicious 16th and their gay hating Bishops are the ones deceiving the world, while pretending to be promoting truth. There is nothing true and nothing justice about gay hatred.

  14. They are certainly pulling out all the stops on gay marriage…so why? I think they correctly assess that if they can lose on something so unlikely as people finding homosexuality neutral or positive and (insert appropriately disgusting graphic rendition of gay sex here) acceptable, that they will have truly lost the battle for men’s minds. They don’t care about women’s minds of course. And I think they are right. If broad society becomes open minded enough to see the humanity of gay people and to reject the biblically validated devaluation of same, the entire franchise could come crashing down on them.

    1. They’re running out of people to openly bully, I think. Yes, they can still treat women as inferior but they can’t mouth off about us so much without censure. I reckon they think LGBT people are one of the few groups it’s permissible/acceptable to denigrate and insult.

      Religions seem to need a ‘baddie’ to drum up support amongst their followers. Some group has to be pointed out and demonised to make them feel superior. Also, they hate admitting they’re wrong, and will fight tooth and nail to defend their prejudices.

  15. Jock S. Trap 6 Jan 2013, 10:37am

    So bored of their hate-mongering now!!

    All the time they accuse all of doing exactly what they are. Lets face it Being a Roman Catholic is communism run by a dictatorship. Your not allowed to think for yourself, speak for yourself, do for yourself and Yet they have the hypocrisy of accusing all others of being them.

  16. So the Vatican’s gone from endorsing Nazism to McCarthyist witchunts now?
    See, we can all play the comparisons game, it’s just that ours look at the evidence, and what I see is a former member of the Hitler youth attempting to frame the gay equality debate as the red menace.
    Who’s deceiving who here?

  17. All this makes me cringe when I pass a Catholic church these days.
    I used to think that they had their faith and that was their business.
    Now they are messing about with my business and that is another matter.

  18. lolz at their desperation.

  19. I think that more LGBT know about these news than RCatholics actually… Most Catholics don’t listen to the pope’s speeches so it doesn’t have that much effect as they wished.

  20. The Vatican should know a thing or two about deceiving humanity, it’s built an empire upon doing exactly that.

  21. Carl Rowlands 6 Jan 2013, 12:55pm

    Why are they so afraid of homosexuality? I believe that the truth they are working with is the fragility of church imposed heterosexuality. If we had true utopian sexuality then we may have a different split between the gay and hetero population say 30:70 or 40:60. The catholic church is not worried about the gay population per se, they are worried about the extent of the closeted population if who were true to themselves and in the right circumstances would be fully fledged members of the club. We musty never stop fighting our cause against the worldwide organisational of hatred. As I always say whilst I believe fairies I do not believe in fairy tales!

  22. Robert in S. Kensington 6 Jan 2013, 1:10pm

    The desperation is apparent. They’re fast running out of excuses. Nazism, communisim, socialism, fascism, polygamy, polyandry, incest, bestiality had and continue to have nothing to do with gay people and nor has equal marriage.

    If they’re so concerned about marriage and the family, why didn’t they ask Berlusconi what caused him to have sex with so many women, one of them underaged, outside of his marriage in a country that has almost no protection or rights for its own gay people? Expalnation please, Papa Ratzi!

  23. ‘… She went on to write that a marriage between two people of the same sex equated a “negation of truth,” which would undermine “one of the basic structures of human society, family.”…’

    They all go on about how equal marriage will damage family but they never go to trouble to explain hoe

  24. “a 64-year-old former feminist activist who later became a fervent Catholic”

    Guess she still gets to hates transgendered people just as much though. What’s the betting that she didn’t even have to make a U-turn – save for it now being because it’s because she thinks we DON’T reinforce patriarchal sexist gender stereotypes instead of because she thinks we DO(!)

    1. It’s not possible to be a feminist and a Catholic, of course!

  25. Ken Lewis 6 Jan 2013, 1:58pm

    The Vatican has been deceiving the world since the beginning they just want to keep hiding their evil deeds

  26. “Egalitarian utopia” used as a disparaging term. Just another example of the Vatican’s opposition to fairness and ustice – the very idea of equality being anathema to them.

    1. Equality is not an inherently a good thing, especially when it’s really being used as a euphemism for special rights and privileges for minorities.

      As an example, if someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to give them half of what’s in your bank account, that is equality. But is it a good thing? Most people would say no because they’re demanding something that doesn’t rightfully belong to them, and that is why people oppose “equality” for minority groups. Not everyone has the right to be “equal”, however they choose to define that.

      1. No, someone demanding half of what you own isn’t equality. Equality refers to equal human rights. You seem to subscribe to the Animal Farm type of ‘equality’ – “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.”

        Equal rights aren’t finite. There are enough to go round. Most people, far from opposing equal rights for minorities, understand that and think it’s a reasonable and decent thing.

        You really seem obsessed with our supposed ‘special privileges’. If you simply mean we are protected from discrimination, then that’s not a ‘special privilege’ – it applies to everyone whether they’re few in number or great.

        I don’t have a problem with that. Why do YOU? Why does the idea that one or more groups of humans be treated as second class citizens appeal to you so much?

        1. I don’t subscribe to any type of “equality” because it doesn’t exist. Human Rights legislation contradicts itself, giving more power to certain minority groups with Protected Status, while discriminating against other groups. Therefore, there isn’t enough “equal rights” to go around, rights are a zero-sum game. There can never be a perfect, equal balance of power and protection amongst the different groups.

          This is the whole point. My group, unlike yours, is NOT protected from discrimination, or being insulted or offended, or any of the other petty issues minority groups use to abuse the law. Now, the idea that these minority groups should be treated as second class citizens isn’t something that “appeals” to me as such. As I say, it’s just the way it is. There will always be an imbalance of power and privilege, One group always has to be dominant. I just think that my group should be the dominant one, not yours.

          1. “My group, unlike yours, is NOT protected from discrimination, or being insulted or offended”

            I presume you’re talking about being straight there (rather than male and white)? We all belong to more than one group. Depending on what we’re looking at, I’m both a minority and a majority.

            I don’t agree that one group has to be dominant. I don’t wish anyone ill or want to lord it over anyone. You’ve suggested before (I replied to you on the other thread – the ‘you’ve got equality’ already thread, I think it was) that LGBT people being protected from discrimination adversely affects others who wish to discriminate against them (eg the Christian B&B) but it doesn’t because the same legislation that protects LGBT people from discrimination protects religious people.

            Being able to discriminate against people isn’t a right. If we had that then where would it end? You’d find it a lot harder to lead your life eg X won’t serve you because you’re male; nurse won’t treat you because you’re white.

          2. And as for which group should be dominant mine or yours:-

            1) Neither – definitely!
            2) I don’t see us as divided like that.

            I don’t see you as set apart, as cut off, as divided from me. We’re all in this together and it’d be a lot easier if we all got along as much as possible.

            Question – if you lived in a European country that already had equal marriage, do you really think it’d affect your life? In fact, if the UK government somehow introduced it here without you knowing, you’d be none the wiser because life would be just the same (unless, of course, you check the marital status of every couple that you pass! :D )

          3. Jock S. Trap 7 Jan 2013, 12:04pm

            ‘My group, unlike yours’

            I’m sorry we are all human beings. It discrimination that is taught!

          4. I’m talking about all three really: male, white and heterosexual.

            For example, black males have Protected Status, white homosexuals have Protected Status, women of all race and sexualities have Protected Status, etc. The only group of people who have no rights or Protected Status are white, heterosexual males.

            Being able to discriminate IS a right. In fact, it’s more than a right. It’s unavoidable. It’s a necessity. Every individual does it at some point, every group does it at some point.

            The only issue is the one you mentioned, which is where do you draw the line. The problem is, at the moment the line has been draw to give homosexuals and other minorities most of the power, such as in the B&B case. You can’t have freedom of religion AND the right for homosexuals not to be discriminated against, because they contradict each other. One or the other has to dominant, and it ought to be freedom of religion.

          5. Incidentally, are we supposed to believe that out of all the hotels and B&Bs in the country, this homosexual couple just happened to find themselves at the one which was owned by a Christian couple, with a policy of not allowing unmarried couples to share a room, and which was clearly stated on their website?

            This was a deliberate and targeted “sting”. A scam. When homosexuals abuse the rights we’ve already given them like this, in order to bully an innocent Christian couple and hopefully receive a bit of compo while they’re at it, it only makes people wonder whether homosexuals actually deserve any further rights, or whether they should keep the ones they’ve already got.

          6. I should add that one of the reasons gay marriage affects the lives of others is because homosexuals have a one-track mind. They have a history of aligning themselves with groups, or voting for parties, that have compromised the national security and economic stability of this country, but they don’t care about any of that, just as long as they have the right to get married. It’s selfish and irresponsible behaviour.

      2. Jock S. Trap 7 Jan 2013, 11:58am

        It seems your very mistaken.

        It is heterosexuals and religious extremist who have ‘special rights and privileges’ and seek to keep it that way.

        It is not acceptable.

        Equal doesn’t mean special right nor privileges but equal rights and privileges.

        Your not talking any sense.

        1. As long as we live in a democracy, heterosexuals are entitled to special rights and privileges. That’s the whole point of democracy. The majority gets to vote themselves all the goodies, and they don’t have to take orders from minorities about what they can or can’t say, or who they can or can’t have as a guest in their B&B.

  27. Urgent! Top-Priority Communique from Pope of Rome to Archbishop of Catholic Church UK:

    You must do everyzink you possibly can, everyzink under ze sun and ze moon, to STOP ziss Same-Zex Marriage!

    If you fail to stop ziss Same-Zex Marriage in UK, you vill be responsible for failure of Katolic church throughout all ze vorld!

    Ve vill completely loose our POWER!

    You have ze full permission of all your brothers of ze Vatican to zay and to do votever you vish!

    Just do NOT fail!

    Yours most humbly in Christ,
    Benedictia Benedictus.

  28. Meanwhile Uncle Toms like the Soho Mass lot……

  29. ...Paddyswurds 6 Jan 2013, 4:39pm


  30. ...Paddyswurds 6 Jan 2013, 4:47pm

    What one wonders is Ms Lucetta Scaraffias opinion on the new religion in the Roman Catholic Cult, paedophilia. From the naz1 Joe Ratzinger down to the lowest cleric in the vile cult, they have defiled and abused the children of the world for the last thousand years, a lot of it in countries like Ireland and spain who faithfully followed the Vatican line. little did they know that the bishops, priests and nuns they trusted with the care of their children were in fact raping them wholesale in their thousands. The Vatican has lost all credibility and has no moral authority to preach hatred on marriage equality or anything else……

  31. Har Davids 7 Jan 2013, 8:47am

    Maybe mentioning the Nazis too often would lead to the pope’s membership of the HJ, even though he was a kid at the time. The spin-bishops must be having a hard time to come up with appropriate texts and images. Their efforts may even be helping to turn people of their particular brand of christianity. Some more good than gay marriage may come out of this.

  32. Cardinal Fang 7 Jan 2013, 12:19pm

    More hysterical propaganda. This time it sounds like McCarthyism.

  33. Well don’t you think the pope should first punish excommunicate and appoligise for all the pedophile priests hes hiding in that awfully expensive little set up of his..shocking how the catholic church has gotten away with so much for sooooooo long

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