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Mario Monti: Decision on Italian marriage equality should be made by parliament

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  1. Robert in S. Kensington 6 Jan 2013, 5:13pm

    What is ironic in all this is that Italy disestablished catholicism as the state cult in 1984, yet it still seems to wield just as much power than ever before, or the impression is as such.

  2. Pavlos Prince of Greece 6 Jan 2013, 6:15pm

    ‘Without expressing personal view on marriage equality’. Translation: I am not in favor neither of same-sex marriage or another form of gay unions. ‘Decision on marriage equality should be made by parliament’. Translation: I, my government and, of course, The Pope will do all to bring such initiative down. My condolences post mortem to last Italian King Umberto II from Savoy dynasty, who was anticlerical and mason. And gay.

  3. That There Other David 6 Jan 2013, 8:03pm

    Italy will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. It’s a very corrupt and nepotistic country, with a facade of employment rights covering up widespread abuse of those not lucky enough to be wealthy. The treatment of women’s rights is also medieval (blame Vatican Inc. for that too I suppose).

    The EU will one day force Italy to comply and recognise everyone else’s marriages, regardless of whether they’re same-sex or not.

    1. Pavlos Prince of Greece 6 Jan 2013, 9:13pm

      ‘The EU will one day force Italy to comply and recognise everyone else`s marriages, regardless of whether they`re same-sex or not’. I hope so much! (And other homophobic countries like Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland or Lithuania too). But I still am very skeptical. 2010 European Court of Human Rights in Strassburg (nota bene, institution alongside of European Council, not European Union – the highest court in the EU is Court of Justice in Luxembourg) has reject similar appeal of gay couple from Austria (3 against 4), declaring that same-sex marriage is ‘cultural sensitive issue’, and not universal civil right. and in the EU marriage belongs to national competence, not this of Brussels. The way to gay marriage in all Europe still is incredible long. And difficult.

  4. Italy is definitely one of those countries that has to pass civil unions first, both in terms of society and politics.

    Unfortunately even that small step seems to be more a 2016 target than a 2013 one.

    The Vatican is a big reason, but the ridiculous coalitions are also another, the whipped votes simply aren’t there for this kind of measure because the leading party at any given point is still relatively tiny. Chief whips aren’t that powerful, and the party leadership is highly male and aged (even compared to Britain).

    Gay Italians simply have no advocate at the moment.

    1. I agree with you. I’m from Italy and sadly I have to agree with most of the comments that I’ve read here: it’ll be very difficult to promote a law about civil union, and don’t forget that the parliament has even failed so far to approve a law against hate crimes (which unfortunately happen very often). I’m quite confident though that the new ruling coalition, according to the latest polls, will be the one led by the democratic party, which is one of the few with civil union plans in its agenda. However, we all know that there won’t be any justice until the parasite and vile Vatican state still exsist: this is why so many people have lost hope in changing our country.

  5. Max said it all very well “Gay Italians simply have no advocate at the moment”

    We need both a strong secular left and a strong LGBT Movement in this country. At the moment we have neither

    @Elena: 1) The Democratic Party is profoundly anti-equality and is stuffed with Catholics

    2) That party is NOT in favour of Civil Unions.
    Their manifesto is avilable online. I suggest you read it.

  6. Hey look. This is an old man. He’s simply keeping up his insurance premium. Like the pope himself. For all he condems homosexuality as ‘unnatural’, I bet he takes all kinds of scientificly-produced, ‘unnatural’ medication as a means of fending off judgement day….an irony in itself, considering how fantastic he tells us it is up there. Why does he artifically prolong his life if it’s so great in heaven? Further proof of the chidish hypocricy of it all.

  7. I think the Italian upper and lower houses have to both agree on everything before anything gets passed. That’s why governments keep collapsing.

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