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  1. Fear that teaching children that gay people exist and have relationships will give them “The Gay” is a like saying that teaching children tall people exist will make them tall.

  2. Those who believe that sexuality is a highly mutable personal characteristic, that can be influenced by the media, always make me wonder if they are projecting themselves somewhat.

    Sexually confident men and women know that they cannot be influenced by hearing words or seeing images.

    And let’s not forget, for a lot of us – under Section 28 and a total absence of LGBT representation in media during our formative years – we somehow managed to resist the deluge of heterosexuality we were all subjected to…

    Their argument is a nonsense, or an expression of themselves, or a frantic grasping at straws when what they really want to do is sneer hatred at us (and how it rankles that they cannot). Whatever it is, it is an argument that simply cannot be granted one iota of credibility.

  3. Witty article. Thanks.
    Anyone who thinks sexuality is changeable must surely be bisexual. Davies may be the most ridiculous and stupid of all our detractors.

    1. Why must they be bisexual? Bisexuality is as equality valid as homosexuality or hetrosexuality. My sexuality is not defined by who I happen to be dating or attracted to at any particular moment. I’m not sometimes gay and sometimes straight. I am bisexual. But you know, thanks for lumping bisexual people in with all the idiots who think you can choose your sexuality.

      1. Many comments on this site suggest that homophobes are Gay. I don’t like the idea but it makes a certain sense. I am sorry I cannot put bi-sexual people on a pedestal. Many people who live in the closet for years with wives they cheat on are bi-sexual. A large number of the worlds population are believed to have a degree of bisexuality without identifying as bisexual. Me included. I am Gay.
        My logic is that people who have their attractions so firmly locked in one direction, surely cannot imagine that sexuality is fluid. However, many don’t think about it that deeply. The “choice” of homosexuality is just something they have heard and sounds convenient. My argument helps to drive the point home when talking to these idiots.

      2. purple_squirrel 4 Jan 2013, 6:26pm

        Cal didn’t say that bisexuals are idiots they said that some idiots are bisexual and it makes perfect sense. Anybody who thinks people can choose their attraction MUST have an attraction to both men and women and therefore are able to choose who to date-which doesn’t mean they can choose their sexuality obviously, they just THINK that they can-and thus don’t understand what it is like to be gay/straight and how sexuality isn’t a choice, INCLUDING bisexuality.

        Nothing about that is biphobic, it’s just logical.

  4. Perhaps Mr Davies speaks with such authority on the issue because he was indoctrinated OUT of being gay by religious conditioning …?

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Jan 2013, 4:37pm

      Yes, the ones who protest too much as almost all Tory MPs in opposition seem to be doing lately. Nobody countering their spurious, hateful bullshit either, absolutely nobody.

  5. I have to agree with the article here. I wasn’t taught about sex ever! Yet I still managed to have it with both men and women as well as realise (against all societal pressure and the lack of any gays in my life) that I was a lesbian.

  6. I can understand that teaching even the basic mechanics of homosexual sex would leave a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths as well as the interminable debate about when it should be introduced. Even if it were compulsory I think there would be many parents who would request or take such actions so that their children would not be present. As a compromise, I suggest that it should be compulsory for schools to over ‘diverse’ sex education of a voluntary basis and obviously anonymous,

  7. Why do you ask, Dennis? Are yo looking for training?
    We are talking about a basic understanding of diversity. YOU are talking about extreme fetishes. Fetishes are something that small groups of people get into. A basic understanding of heterosexual and homosexual differences is not out of the question, but with so many people screaming about “teaching” nothing but “abstinence only” does nothing but put young people at risk of teen pregnancy and heightens the risk for every STD out there.
    A decently educated populace is better able to make intelligent decisions and stay healthier. If they choose to explore more “exotic” options, that is up to them. Personally I think what you mention is disgusting, but I’m guessing you mention it because, like the ones who scream against Homosexuality in general, you secretly have a…pardon the pun…”fetish” for it. I’m guessing your wife/girlfriend won’t lt you poke her in the pooper, either?

    1. I don’t ‘scream against’ homosexuality, I’m bisexual myself! I’m just concerned about the sexualisation of children – where do you draw the line? I only learned about old-fashioned missionary position hetero-sex in school, and I knew, even at 12, how buggery is peformed. And I don’t do it, it’s gross and I’d rather keep my @rse intact, thankyou!

      1. that makes no sense.

  8. That’s the first guy to write a comment for pink news who I have agreed with on every point made.
    Gays need sex education too
    And the funny thing is that I’m red arrowed every time I say that here

    1. Spanner1960 4 Jan 2013, 9:10pm

      Well let’s not break the habit of a lifetime then.

  9. It has become painfully obvious that witholding information about sex from children only has harmful consequences in the long run. Vinegar-blooded conservative types keep wittering on about the “sexualisation of children”, but, really, if you give children all the information as soon as they can understand it, they are actually less inclined to try it out. There is no sordid mystique to sexuality then – it’s just a normal, everyday part of life – and without the hormonal promptings to do it, people just don’t do it.

    Because, lets face it, if we weren’t biologically compelled to have sex by our hormones, we just wouldn’t bother.

  10. Ben Amponsah 3 Jan 2013, 8:28pm

    very well written Benjamin :-)

  11. Absolutely.

    The current lack of sex education relevant to young gay men is a public health scandal, the consequences of which are obvious in the HIV figures.

    And making sex education inclusive of LGB teens is important for mental health as well as physical.

    But there’s a bigger issue here about making sex education relevant to teenagers’ lives. Talking about anal sex is not a gay male issue. Plenty of heterosexual teens and some teen lesbians are having anal sex. Pretending teenagers don’t have anal sex is daft, and all teens need to know about the importance of condoms and lube in this sex act, whatever their gender and orientation.

    1. I was taken aback by a Facebook status from a young hetero male in his teens whom I know slightly, stating he enjoyed anal with his g/f. I had assumed it was something straight couples indulged in to counter boredom in their sex lives. Naive, or what?

  12. gods warriors 4 Jan 2013, 1:41am

    Well i’ll tell u somethin u people need to get right with god because it doesn’t say man or man or woman or woman the bible n maybe u should start actually reading the bible because it’s scary what’s gonna happen with he come n I pitty those priests who thinks it’s ok cause it’s not but i’ll pray for people like to get right not wrong god bless u remember god is the only one that has the final say

    1. Jesus never said anything about gays.
      Thou shalt not judge others

      Remember Jesus had 2 dads

    2. I studied the Bible for A level and at College, so do not preach your nonsense to me. When you read the Bible, I hope your reading comprehension skills are greater than your spelling, grammar and articulation.
      Read it PROPERLY, then come back with a sensibly constructed, coherent argument, preferably in English, not textspeak, and we can have a sensible discussion. Thank you.

  13. Eric Glare 4 Jan 2013, 12:28pm

    As someone who does teach sexual health in schools as an openly gay HIV positive man, I don’t think this article helps but reinforces the divide and unnecessarily antagonises a worried opposition. I’m a speaker with a HIV positive speakers bureau using my personal story in Australia on government funding. We cover all the basics and put a lot of effort into making our message inclusive as written into our curriculum in 2006 – that means none of it can be labeled gay sex which is the reality of it all anyway. It really is a minor change mostly about stance and attitude not the gay karma sutra – your anxious opposition needs to know this, rather than beat-ups like this that suggest 90% of the class is going to be twiddling their thumbs whilst a couple of hours of ‘gay sex’ is delivered to a group who don’t quite know they are gay, bi or arse-focused yet. Using ‘gay sex’ stigmatises the undecided, bisexuals and heterosexuals who are arse attracted – and stigma disempowers and closes ears.

    1. If you are, as you say, in Australia I don’t quite see how you can say that this article “unnecessarily antagonises a worried opposition” in another country halfway around the world where it is not in the curriculum. Sex Education in the UK is absolutely appalling. My own sex ed had a huge focus on biology with STD info used as a shock-them deterrence only. No discussion of consent, no discussion of domestic violence or sexual coercion, nothing on sexting or social media and sex, nothing on pornography versus reality and not one single mention throughout my entire time in school of the fact that LGBT people even existed in a non-religious ordinary state school, even after the lifting of section 28. ‘Gay sex’ is absolutely the right term to use. Hell, shout it from the rooftops. Be proud of it. If saying ‘gay sex’ stigmatises then its probably because the word is still used as an insult, largely, in my experience, because students were not taught what being ‘gay’ actually entailed.

  14. Teaching children about black people will make them black.
    Teaching children about people with blue eyes will make them have blue eyes.
    Teaching children about German people will make them German.

    … yep.

  15. What a nonsense article. I find it very difficult that anyone of his/my age didn’t know what top or bottom meant. Anyone who has ever watched porn knows exactly what those words mean.

    1. so….. teens need to watch porn to learn about sex? you moron.

  16. Spanner1960 4 Jan 2013, 9:09pm

    What utter sh|te.
    I don’t think any kid needs to be taught about sex per se.

    What they need to be taught is the responsibilities of having sex, both to themselves and their partners.

    Too many people confuse sexuality and relationships with the sex act itself.
    I see constant references in other forums about gays “taking it up the bum” as if that’s all gay men do 24/7.
    There is a much bigger picture, and it’s about time people explained that first and foremost without having to get into the rather tawdry details of the mechanics.

  17. Absolutely true about needed some education on the matter – although I’m not filled with “outrage” about the current state of affairs.

    There is, understandably, a lack of knowledge amongst teachers about gay sex – and schools need to get it right when they discuss it. I can only image, being an openly gay student, how embarrassing it could be as everyone looks at me while the teacher explains gay sex…

  18. ..of course, gay sex should be taught in state schools…Why do people feel so ashamed of that? I’ll tell you, since we humans have such a hard time relating heterosexual sex to children is it any wonder we don’t can’t teach homosexual sex to kids?

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