Hold masses anyway?? The Arch bishop does not own prayer! Christian faith is very important to thousands of LGBTQ people across the UK and the Arch Bishop cannot do a thing about it.
So he can either like it or lump it!
You tell them AJ. They do not need some hater telling them what to do they can do what they like and the haters can not stop them.
Seething with hate. This has really smoked them out.
No christian and gay is an oxymoron.
But if you are inclined to believe what these people believe, and be gay, I don’t think it is the church that has the problem.
As much as I despise religion, I do believe LGBT people have the right to worship their faith, If they choose too.
The problem is the faiths that are showing such hatred only tend to focus on the sex Not the person. Those hateful people in faiths Must accept that their words and actions lead to consequences. Too many consequences means in real terms manslaughter of innocent people leading to murder of innocent people by their words.
In that case they Must accept that such bigoted people have the blood of innocent people on their hands too.
And this they call religion.
Brian, you have no idea what you are talking about!
There are literally thousands of gay and lesbian Christians in Britain, and you have the arrogance to say that? That is as homophobic as a church leader refusing LGB people from entering a church due to their sexual orientation.
99% of churches, church ministers and congregations have no issues with lgbtq people and a majority of them have no issue with same-sex marriage. The small minority of homophobic Christians are put into stories on Pink News as its news worthy.
I think the UK needs more UU churches (preferably converted RC churches)
RC had its time, it failed to evolve and fit its environment, and its time for the ultimate natural law to do its job! Survival of the fittest!
There’s no market demand for UU churches – hippies have had their day. The RC church is growing because of eastern European immigration. That’s just the way it is – whether you agree with any particular message or not.
Hopefully this will encourage and enable gay people to escape from the psychological abuse of the Catholic church.
When they lose the argument and don’t get their way they swish their incense and throw a hissy fit.
How to further alienate the RC Church from those who wish to follow that awful religion.
Catholics affected by same-sex attraction are welcome to attend the same Masses as everyone else. God bless Abp Nichols for making the right choice.
*Cue howls of outrage from non-Catholics who think this is any of their business*
Its our business because the catholic delusion is harmful to all of humanity, not just gay people.
Another self loather, Steve, that’s why he comes here. Its probably the same troll who comes in under different aliases.
So can catholics ‘affected’ by opposite sex attraction who commit adultery and those millions of catholics living in non-married unions with their significant others, as well as boy and girl molesting hypocritical clergy and hierarchy celebrating mass and those who covered it up for decades. You’re an unchristian bigot, so unlike Jesus Christ who excluded nobody let alone judged them.
Yes, they’re all welcome at Mass too. The Church is a hospital for sinners, but we don’t operate different wards for different categories of sin.
This church is not a hospital, more of a hate group!
The RC church is “intrinsically disordered.”
While you may be ‘affected’ by same sex attraction, I am not. I’m Irish by birth and Gay by the grace of God
That sounds like a tag line for an epic biopic.
We might stop being so outraged by the Catholic elites when they stop being so outraged at us.
God does not bless him or you when your words have been the motivations over centuries to murder innocent gay human beings because of your hatefulness.
And you think the civil law is any of the churches business? Yes you probably do lol.
Presumably this is to save someone the embarrassment of having to read out Nichols’s latest poison-pen letter about marriage equality?
OK Klaus- and UK Civil Marriage is NON OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH’s BUSINESS either ?
If the Archbishop believed the nasty things he and his fellows say about gay people, then he should keep the masses going for the sake of MARK 2:17. However we have sadly got used to a church that preaches love and compassion from the pulpit and does something else entirely as soon as the serrvice is over….
That Damian Thompson, a hardly closted gay man would rejoice in this is truly sickening
I know he’s truly vile, no wonder the rc conference detest him. There is even some sort of anonymous website sending him up:
I quite agree. Although depite having little time for the man, I cannot help but feel sorry for him.
Like we care.
Archbishop Nichols – still working VERY hard to become a Cardinal !!!!
It seems unlikely to happen…But check back here in a couple of weeks.
What an evil, vile, nasty, bigotted and vindictive thing to do! Shame on you Archbishop.
I can only imagine what Christ himself would say if he were to suddenly appear? After all didn’t he specifically “include” the downtrodden and ostracised in society and isn’t that teaching entrenched in the New Testament?
Seems the RC and C of E have strayed well off the track first laid by Jesus and His Disciples.
Looks like Archbishop Nichols read Damian Thompson’s blog on 31st December and took this action as a response to what Thompson said.
From the blog
Archbishop Vincent has been in Rome’s bad books for a long time, after he flubbed the question of civil partnerships, giving the impression that the Church condoned them and then, after an explosion in the curia, rowing back pretty damn quick from that (apparent) position. He also permits old-style rainbow sash gay activists to hold regular Masses in a church in Warwick Street, much to the indignation of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
I think it’s becoming clear that Vincent Nichols is very ambitious and would dearly like to be a cardinal. He believes that he will get that reward if he’s able to prevent marriage equality in England and Wales.
Damian Thompson is one of the biggest homophobes around. I bet the c$$t was dancing around tthe office.
Is it necessary for the UK and EU to maintain diplomatic relations with the Holy See? European and Catholic values are not compatible. The Church´s stance on the human rights is inaccessible
“European and Catholic values are not compatible”
Early to be seeing entries for most laughable statement of 2013. European values *are* Catholic values.
If you’d said 1513 you might have had a point. The last half century of moral progress – away from the medieval dysfunction of religion in general and the crowings of the Roman cult in particular – has made your statement rather silly.
Don’t worry though, once you’ve got past the hundred years war and the Spanish Armada you have the delights of restoration comedy, the Napoleonic wars, Regency excess and the Industrial Revolution to look forward to. Say hi to Charles Dickens for us when you reach the 1860s!
I daresay the Vatican itself would strongly disagree with you, buddy.
No it’s not. The republic of Ireland recently closed it’s diplomatic relationships with the Vatican. More will follow suit I’ve no doubt. The roman cult is a very small one in the UK so I don’t see why it can’t do the same. You can expect a tongue lashing from the bigots if that were the case, especially from Nichols who would undoubtedly play the victim card.
There’s no logic behind the decisions on whether to officially recognise other countries. How could anyone argue that the Holy See has more of the qualities of an independent state than Taiwan or Somaliland or Northern Cyprus?
oh dear, losing the gay marriage argument so toys out of prams me-thinks.
This is certainly a vindictive digging-in of heels from the old git. However, I do wonder what comfort Gays – who cannot wrench themselves away from the cult that hates them – are gaining by having separate Masses. If they are getting special gay-friendly ones then this is outside the spirit of what the church believes and is of questionable value.
Apparently, it was set up to give families and friends of gays comfort so they could attend mass together without feeling ostracised, or some sh1te like that.
The most effective way to avoid being ostracised by Roman Catholics is not to go to Mass at all. Duh!!! Apparently, there are RC protesters outside at each Gay service clutching rosary beads. On their knees, rolling their eyes and gibbering, no doubt.
Absolutely disgusting. That such blatant discrimination is going on like this. Imagine the reaction if he’d done this because of being black or against women, there would be an almighty outcry.
All he is doing is showing himself and those other extremists as the nasty bigoted people they are.
I would like to see politicans etc condemn this. This kind of open discrimination can hardly benefit society.
Proof religions are the true evils of this world.
Jock, no politician would ever dare condemn it. Just look at Nick Clegg having to apologise for something he never said in a recent speech wherein the original draft contained the word ‘bigot’. The cult of Rome shows no respect when it resorts to hateful, mendacious rhetoric to stir up intolerance and bigotry, yet doesn’t like it when its given right back to them. For them, it’s a one-way street. They can rant and spew their hatred denigrating our relationships and nobody is allowed to counter it. That’s called bigotry. The sad thing is, nobody stands up for us. All we get are politicians like Cameron proffering respect for the religious beliefs of those in opposition but who never actually counters the lies, none of them do because they’re afraid, in their usual cowardly fashion, to be labelled anti-religion.If it were a question of ethnic slurs and racism, they’d be the first to condemn it wholeheartedly.
Tessy temper troll at it again.
the catholic church poisons the minds of it’s followers, my partner has spent her life wrestling with her faith and her sexuality. Since she kicked the church into touch she has finally at peace with herself. God can be worshiped anywhere he is everywhere we don’t need a great big house full of wealth to worship, we go out to a quiet spot by the sea or in the countryside for quiet worship on our own.
The church is an outdated institution so far behinde the times it is unreal. There are denominations who are all encompassing, we will be seekeing out our closest very soon.
Do not overestimate the importance of religion
.Homosexuality existed long before religion and will still be around long after these churches have destroyed themselves.
Evidently Archbishop Nichols red hat is being withheld because of the gay masses. Watch how quickly he will now be made a cardinal which will add to the hypocrisy of this disgraceful act.
Come over to the CofE – St Martin in the Fields on Trafalgar Square will not just accept you, you will be welcomed.
very strange that other news outlets are reporting this but not the BBC
something is very very wrong with the BBCit seems unable to stand by its charter when LGBT issues grate against its papist/CofE sensibilities
This story was eventually reported on the BBC website (about 30 mins ago)
However, at the time of writing, there’s been no mention on BBC TV news
After the government announced the quadruple lock for the CoE and Wales, then came the whining from some of them saying it had gone a step too far.
Now, where are those same people in all this? Why aren’t they lambasting NIchols for a change? That would derfinitely send a very powerful message to the roman cult and to the British public that some denominations don’t support bigotry or inequality in marriage. They’ve been far too complacent, not very proactive in my view.
Lastly, where is Ben Summerskill?
There some comments from BS and Stonewall on this link
Gay Masses ban Archbishops.
It’s becoming clear that Catholic ‘values’ are now wholly incompatible with British values.
Time for Parliament to end the chraitable tax-breaks for the Vatican stooges (and end the exemptions from the law as well).
I have a very simple answer to the Archbishop. And it comes directly from the bible: Matth, 18.20 – For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Basically, nobody needs the Archbishop of Westminster. May the Lord have mercy on him and clean the blood on his hands and heart. On earth there won’t be many, having mercy on him.
Point of information : the masses for the lgbt community were set up years ago by Archbishop Basil Hume OSB, when archbishop of Westminster.
Is this Vince’s way of saying “Happy New year !” ?
How does he define a Gay mass because if it is based on what the priest likes to shag I recon the Rat Catcher church might be a few thousand services short this Sunday!
I also want to just say that this Bishop is freakin annoying. What a total utter unmitigated bigot!
Exactly why would anyone want to belong to a church that treats them like this?
Maybe this snub will bring these silly queens to their senses.
they’re probably suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Well, BULLY for her!
The poison is simply spewing out of them now for ALL to see.
I wish he was focussing on his own priests fiddling little children.
I quite agree. One of the most pressing issues at the moment for the Catholic church is that kiddie-fiddling seems to the the main sport and pastime of many of the Catholic priesthood. Perhaps that should get their own church in order before preaching morality to other people. They are disgusting.
è sconvolgente vedere quanta omofobia esista nella chiesa cattolica inglese e pure in quella anglicana. l’omofobia dequalifica il paese entro i cui confini viene praticata. e tutto è peggiorato e peggiorerà da quando il papa è entrato in twitter. twitter non può ospitare chi predica l’odio e la soppressione fisica dei gay, anche se dalle belle parole ciò non si evince…quello che non fa il papa lo fanno coloro che si fanno suoi portavoce
Il culto cattolico é anche moralmente in bancarotta! Ben detto, Carlo!
Nicholas is a mild manner man, quite unlike some of his bishop counterparts who love to punish in others what they hate or cannot cope with in themselves….. I strongly suspect that Nichols has received a letter from the Vatican instructing him to take a more anit-gay stance. In such circumstances he would be bound by obedience to do so. If this were not the case, why the sudden change in his position since he was installed in Westminster?
Of course he has been told to shut it, and that just goes to prove he doesn’t actually have any principles – he does as his paymasters tell, and screw the people he knows he is hurting. How does he sleep at night. He’s the nazi with the gun and he’ll shoot whoever he is told to, without questioning.
Quite – the only principled thing to do when you’re put in a position by your paymasters that you find unacceptable is to resign…
Archbigot Nichols would do well to read this article I was sent from a friend in Ireland.
It’s a surprise to me that the RC church allowed ‘gay masses’ in any case, and that they were established by a former archbishop of Westminster, but of course this was under a previous pope than Josef ‘I-wasn’t-a-Nazi-(but-they-did-teach-me-a-few-tricks)’ Ratzinger. Along with the majority of Catholics who seemingly support equal marriage – and who, of course, completely ignore traditional RC teaching on core issues such as contraception – this is quite encouraging, reminding us that it is only a relatively small, albeit powerful and vociferous, out of touch elite within the Catholic hierarchy that seems determined to is now looking like an incitement to global persecution of gay people. It will be interesting to see the response of the congregations for which these masses have been held for so long. Hopefully it will be neither quiet nor modest….
I still find it interesting that Papa Rat Singer wrote a monograph on welcoming gay men and women into the Roman Catholic tradition. (Google it…it’s worth a read) Changed his tune now that he’s wearing more expensive frocks and half a nation’s annual budget on his person!
Damien the journalist? Has he been sent to destabilise the church. I can smell the branding of 666 on somebody’d skull!
As for the….Archbishop (I was going to use the adjective “good”, but reflected on the meaning of the word and came to the conclusion that it didn’t apply!) As for him….of course he will feel that his ordination gives him the authority to make these ludicrous pronouncements. To the Gays of Soho …. just get on with your lives and ignore the messing around of an intermediary who clearly has identity issues. God will be watching you and he wants his children to celebrate their belief and their faith without any unnecessary meddling. He (the beloved Vincent) is an unnecessary and posoinous weed in your garden. Ignore it, or, better still, root it out!…
How unusual: they lose the argument so they turn vindictive. By his deeds he shall be judged. I thank God that he created me a devout atheist.
By the way bish, the 12th Century called, they want their values back, you antediluvian throwback to a thankfully bygone era.
Have a wee word with the odious Damian Thompson. The homophobic prick can be found on Twitter @holysmoke
There are plenty of religions groups who hold daily/weekly meetings in hotels and village halls across the country…
Farm Street Church in Mayfair? Isn’t that where Ann Widdicomb goes to church!
talk about throwing your dolls out of the pram…how dare he judge gay Catholics
now for going to Mass…bet they put more on the collection plate than straights…
Lets show these Homophobic Bigots what we think of them. They have invited the Homophobic bigot of bigots from the USA to address an open meeting.
Talk for the Year of Faith: The Homophobic Drunken Driving Archbishop Cordileone of San Francisco. Thursday 17th January at 8pm in St Wilfrid’s Hall The London Oratory, Brompton Road, London SW7 2RP Next to the V&A Museum. This talk is open to all.
Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco will speak on the subject:
“Living the Christian Faith in a Secularised World” (Homophobe speak for) “Why we hate Queers”.
This is one of the events that the Oratory is arranging to mark the Year of Faith. The Archbishop is in high demand as a Homophobic speaker in America, and this promises to be a thoughtful and stimulating talk. Do come if you can & bring your friends.
All the drag queens of London should turn up for Cor i leone’s foul gay hating speech.
Pinknews is stirring again! The mass is not ending, it’s being moved, to the Jesuit church on Farm St in Mayfair. The link to the correct article is below.
Most people probably don’t know that one of the many Cardinals in Rome tried to have the Soho masses stopped at least 4 times. Fortunately, Archbishop Nichols DID back the LGBT Christian community then. Wish he could be more supportive elsewhere, but he’s not “allowed” to be, thanks to the supposedly “perfect” Vatican “true” vision! While I wish the Catholic & Anglican church would back same-sex marriage, it’s very unlikely & I don’t expect the Vatican to change their stance, nor the Anglican church as a whole. As a gay catholic 34yr old man, with a partner of 4 years, I’d rather go to a Unitarian church for my same-sex marriage. They’re more welcoming & affirming anyway! Most priests/vicars are frustrated by the official view!
I think poor old Halsall suffers from Stockholm Syndrome. He is so desperate to support what is clearly a termination of the masses (his lot have to go to an ordinary mass run by the Jesuits but are graciously allowed to use the church hall for a meeting afterwards) that he is trying to spin the decision to stop them. Tony, abandon this ludicrous faith and if you must continue to be a Christian use the Unitarians.
I meant of course Wheldon not Halsall. My apologies to Mr Halsall (I would edit the post if I could): blame a hangover!
They seem to be stirring in the right direction. Your article explains that “people of same-sex attractions,” are not a part of the normal mass (which is of the highest importance) and separate in the officially continued beliefs of the church.
Sounds more like you wish to defend their social, spiritual exclusion of gay people that you wish to defend your brothers and sisters. Typical for those under the influence of the church.
I wonder what happens to the leaders of a church when they try to take God away from the people? Do they not curse themselves? When the church becomes judge and jury, do they not place thermselves to be God? Is that a wise thing to do? The Archbishop may want to check with Lucifer on that one.
I am sure that Farm Street Church has some association with that fraudster, friar to the stars, Michael Seed.
The gays will need to make sure they keep their wallets zipped. And their fly’s.
Pope Vicious 16th’s total war on gay people continues in earnest with his SS Gestapo Bishops doing their best to persecute and to hound gay Catholics out of the Church. And they are ably assisted by the awful reporter from the Telegraph. These people are the total antithesis of what it should mean to be a Christian.
I feel pity and disgust for lgbt involved with catholicism/islam/CofE. They are either too weak to escape the abuse or too delusional and accept it.
Well, that’s half the congregation gone from Warwick Street then. I hope Mr. Nichols is planning on profiting by selling on the site to developers. The UK has enough empty church buildings already.
It does reinforce my belief that if the Bible is right (unlikely, I know ;-)) and Jesus does return, the first thing he’ll do is burn down St. Peter’s.
Start your own church, away from these homophobic church leaders. You won´t change them and their idiotic views, perhaps in 200 years you´ve a chance that a catholic church leader apologizes for their views.
So the best you can do is to start your own free Christian church and have a chance to have political influence like these lunatics know they somehow have.
And that´s another thing take that influence away from the religious leaders perhaps than tolerance wins….
That is all
Archbishop of Westminster’s hard hitting riposte to critics of the gay mass (2010) – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11218791
Actually the thing I liked reading the most featured prominently center page in that article!
Archbishop Vincent Nichols
Anybody who is trying to cast a judgement on the people who come forward for communion really ought to hold their tongue.”
Archbishop Vincent Nichols
Either he’s had a memory lapse… or forgot his words in print can come back to haunt him!
Just obeying orders eh Vincent? Now where have I heard that before?
About time – the Soho Masses were a scandal – well done Archbishop
Who really cares about the Catholic church and their old biggoted relics…All of it should be destroyed…time to rid society of such hatred and the only way is to destroy those symbols that represent the evil…church..
Why homosexual want to be Catholic?
Isn’t that like a turkey voting for Christmas?
Your church hates you. Calls you a sinner, labels your love a sin and calls you an abomination in the eyes of your god. Your lord himself thinks the same way,according to scripture.
I just can’t understand it.
Not everyone in the RC Church (or quite few other mainstream churches for that matter) hold with its teachings on homosexuality.
The scripture is subject to interpretation, it was written more than 2000 years ago and has been translated from ancient hebrew and ancient greek. The Church’s teaching on homosexuality relies on 4 verses from 3 different parts of the New Testament. Two are a mistranslation of ancient greek and the other a gross misinterpretation of ritualistic worship practised by a Roman Cult. Personally I think this is why the Anglican and RC Church is so set against equal marriage, it will open the flood gates to a debate about the validity of what the Church has been teaching on homosexuality throughout its history, and consequently the validity of the translations of the Bible which its members have put so much faith in.
The boss of the catholic business hold with homophobic teachings, for those involved, they are passively supporting that by their support and association.
The becaped guy crawls out of his crypt once again…This Archbishop of Westminster guy is strangely obsessed with this issue and so is his assistant, Damien “Omen II” Thompson of the Torygrief. Put ‘em together they’re like something out of a particularly poor horror movie. I reckon that deep down inside they’re jealous of people who’ve got a life because secretly they are actually as dead as a Jim Davidson joke(!)
Sheer hypocrisy! on one hand he said
Then he cancels Gay Masses!
It took the Catholic Church 350 years to apologize to Galileo for what they did to him in the name of God. How long will it take them to come around on the gay issue?
They do not appear to be a bunch of fast learners.
Not correct to say masses are ‘banned’. Talks on alternative arrangements continue. Talk to the organisers: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Soho-Masses-LGBT-Catholics-their-families-and-friends/149420788463271?ref=ts&fref=ts …
Sorry but this is a downright lie. The masses are ending and the LGBT people are invited instead to attend an ordinary parish mass with a meeting in the church hall afterwards.
Time gay Catholics realised that they are in a complete intellectual cleft stick: they can either be good catholics and celibate or they can be LGBT with normal relationships. They can’t be both.
What the organisers are playing at I do not know. I suppose the habit of blind obedience to the hierarchy is so ingrained in them that they cannot see a demeaning brush off for what it is.
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Classic Sotckholm syndrome.
Thanks for further correction – @abravefaith.
We’re very lucky to have Pink News, it’s just sad that we have to check the accuracy of it’s reporting so often.
But, I suppose we get what we pay for.
Great news! Yet another nail in the coffin of these hate-monger. God does indeed work in mysterious ways …..
Ahhhhh…you got to love them : after all the scandals, the money looting, the intense cooperation with the nazi’s during WW2 and the damaging abuse of thousands of children ( and the lying who-cares-about-them attitude), the catholic church still thinks it can condemn gay people for being what they are? Arch bishop : follow your leader and take off your frock.