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Poll: Majority of public want Church of England to hold same-sex weddings

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  1. George Forth 26 Dec 2012, 12:52am

    This could still be an anti-equality poll. If someone’s this to say the Bill is flawed enough, it will be back to the drawing board, ie No Equality.

  2. The majority of the British public would like the CofE to employ women and gay bishops but as seen from the recent farce on women bishops it’s not that easy. If a tiny percentage of the laity can stop a massive positive vote for women bishops in the rest of the Synod then “same sex” weddings are never going to be approved by the CofE.. The 4th lock (which the CofE has asked for!) is simply a red herring. If it’s there or not the effect will be the same , the Synod will not approve SS weddings and no request for a change in the law (by the synod) will ever go before parliament.

    The CofE is NOTHING like what the majority of the public would like it to be .In fact the CofE has NEVER been in sync with the general public for probably a few 100 yrs. Nor has the Catholic church…We live in the 21st century, most religious orgs don’t, they live in the middle ages.

    A pointless poll, simply shows how out of sync the church is now and always has been on most issues.

    1. The church has not asked for a ” fourth lock”. That is the government’s response to the church’s unwillingness to comply with same sex marriage. They are getting themselves in a cpmplete legal tangle in all this ill thought-out scheme..The plain fact of the matter is that marriage is already defined in Canon Law, which is also the law of the land, as between a man and a woman. The church’s job is not to be “in sync” with the general public.

  3. Yesterday we had the BBC promoting, with zero balance, the RC hate-monger’s point of view

    This morning, a fundy judge is given second-place positioning to spout his hate, with (again) no balancing argument. He runs a dubious pro-marriage charity (C4M light), spouts figures that come directly from the C4M lot and there is again no balance.

    Article
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20842884

    How to complain: (right side of page) http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
    or 03700 100 222*

    And insist on a reply.

  4. For the second day in a row, the BBC is pushing the C4M’s point of view, with no balance.

    One man (an RC bishop) opens his mouth yesterday to utter twisted hate-speech and it gets craven, balance-free coverage from the Beeb as its number 1 story.

    Today, one man (a fundy judge running an C4M light charity) mumbles some more C4M lunacy, and it gets the same treatment.

    Article
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20842884

    Complain here (please phone. Please be firm and polite but insist on a phoned reply)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

    I have already phoned my complaint. Will get back to you with the answer.

  5. It is comforting to know that the churches are so out of touch that their main christmas message has been anti gay marriage.

    If you look at the figures for different age groups the churches are literally getting old and dying.

  6. I seem to be having trouble getting a comment posted here, today.

    I do urge you to complain to the BBC about today’s anti-gay, balance-free C4M, second-most important story of the day post on their News web site (which follows on from yesterday’s unchallenged rant by Bishop Nichols!)

    Please insist on a telephoned reply.

    Call 03700100222

    Please be polite but firm: Why no balance? Why such prominence? Why no fact-checking? Allow the anti-EM voices first say, rather than pro-EM voices (the views of head of the Liberal Jewish congregations is less valued than a Christian mouthpiece?)

    1. The story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20842884

      See if you can find even a hint of balance. And note how it then goes on to freely promote (again) previous comments by Nichols and Ratzinger, with their religious editor given the chance to rim the RCs once again.

      1. GulliverUK 26 Dec 2012, 9:31am

        Oh dear! Sir Paul Coleridge is clearly unfit to be a judge and should be immediately dismissed. He seems to think he’s in the USA where judges can say what they like and show whatever bias they like — not here in the UK. This is clearly a breech of the conduct we expect from judges. He should be sacked.

    2. The previous day’s rant, in case you missed it

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20840531

      This was the number 1 new story for much of the day. Yeah, this old git’s opinion was THE most important thing in the world! Today, alas, the C4M lobby find they’re only second-most important. They must be devastated!

      1. Totally agree. The BBC’s reporting on this, especially via their website, has been shockingly one-sided.
        It takes a lot to push me into making a complaint, but this is so poor that I had to do it.

        1. Great, Andy. I’m sure you’ll be polite, but firm! :)

          Sasha

    3. Thanks for posting, Sasha. I will definitely call. I noticed that most of the “Related Stories” links beneath the article lead to anti-Gay pieces. There is clear bias here.

    4. Why are you so intent on bashing the BBC? It is merely reporting what these loonies and crackpots are saying… it’s not the job of BBC News to challenge them…but in reporting them the BBC shows how unbalanced these crackpot views are based on what the majority view seems to be. It could of course ignore these pathetic bullies, but then it would be claimed that the BBC were not giving unbiased reporting.

      1. Dave North 26 Dec 2012, 1:39pm

        Because the BBC is meant to be impartial, offering both sides of the debate.

        In this case it is only airing the views of bigots, thus perpetuating the myth that it is the only view.

        I now refuse to pay my license.

        1. Spanner1960 28 Dec 2012, 4:59pm

          Let us know when visiting times are, won’t you?

  7. So, if the Archbishop of Westminster and C4M were aware of the result of the poll concluding that the majority of people are in favour of same sex marriage then they’ve been deliberately lying when they’ve been claiming that it is anti-democratic.

    1. And the BBC (who are aware of the poll results!) are guilty of knowingly publishing dodgy stats.

    2. GulliverUK 26 Dec 2012, 9:37am

      For C4M, lying is a part of life. To get what they want regardless of ethical behaviour. Most people are in favour of equality, the polls have indicated that since 2006, across a large number of polls.

      The only real reason the CofE and CofW don’t want the 4th lock now is it makes them look homophobic – they’re worried about their image. The hierarchy have no intention of offering same-sex marriage, and until that leadership is changed there’s little point in not going ahead with the 4th lock. They say it paints them as homophobic and unwelcoming towards people from the LGBT community – got it in one. If the caps fits, then wear it. They’ve been quite vile – not as much as those nazi Catholic leaders, but still quite homophobic.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Dec 2012, 4:34pm

        I agree. The 4th lock is necessary. The fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of the Anglican hierarchy are indeed homophobic The 4th lock has only compounded it with precious little blow-back from them. They even announced that they were comfortable with it shortly after Miller’s announcement. It is also interesting that the most vocal Tories in opposition to equal marriage said relatively nothing. I don’t even think they expected such a drastic measure by the government. In a way, it’s shut them up and making it increasingly difficult for them to come up with even more ridiculous claims. Maria Miller really turned it around on them although she probably wouldn’t see it that way. In a way, the CoE yielded some of its power back to the government where it belongs anyway. That reality has probably sunk in and caused them to reflect on over-reacting to something they really had no reason to fear because there were already provisions in place prior to the 4th lock..

  8. casparthegood 26 Dec 2012, 9:37am

    BBC biased ? In other news : Bears ….in the woods I do agree this is a disgrace

    1. GulliverUK 26 Dec 2012, 9:41am

      If that is the case it would be worth writing to the Director General, or even starting a petition. The BBC doesn’t get to be biased, it’s a breech of their charter, and given they’ve published a damning report about how they are not portraying the LGBT community properly then it’s worth pursuing.

      1. Simply call: 03700100222

  9. I must admit I think banning instead of exempting the COE was something of a masterstroke on the part of the government. I wonder what the penalty will be, five years in jail or three points on their driving licence. The COE brought it upon themselves. They’ve become an acceptable joke just like the RCC.

    1. It would be a masterstroke if I thought their motivation was to expose the Church for it’s outdated position. Instead I think their aim was to protect them from ‘da gays’ but the execution was typically botched.

  10. On the above BBC debate, I lodged a complaint this morning with them over coverage of anti-gay marriage comments made in recent days by the Archbishop of Westminister and Sir Paul Coleridge. Of course reporting of their views was right but both on their TV and online coverage, no room was made at all for alternative views or objections. Whereby every article/story quoting someone in favour of gay marriage is ALWAYS countered with objecting opinions. I’m not anti-BBC but it’s been disappointing how they’ve covered aspects of this story.

  11. Who cares.

    The leadership of the cult of England has shown what vicious evil bigots make up the leadership of our state cult.

    We need civil marriage equality now.

    Trivialities likle what the cult of England wants should be ignored until civil marriage equality is achieved.

    I also want to see some senior politicians telling the cult of England to stay out of what does not concern them.

  12. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Dec 2012, 12:57pm

    The C4M hate group won’t be happy campers upon learning this. Who else will they now turn to for their polling? Definitely not the result they would want or expect.

    The quadruple lock should and must go into effect. This is exactly what the majority in the CoE hierarchy demanded. Too bad if some think it makes them look homophobic. The fact of the matter is, the majority of Anglican clergy are just that. Too bad that the handful in support weren’t as proactive before Maria Miller’s announcement. Too late I’m afraid to whine about it. They were very complacent, sat back and did nothing. They have themselves to blame.

  13. The Church of England and the Government should remember that the reason for the CoE being established in the first place was to allow an adulterous, murderous king divorce his wife to remarry another.

    It therefore seems extremely strange and hypocritical that they shouldn’t allow same-sex couples the right to marry in their churches.

    Afterall, the bible may be less than kind towards homosexuality, but it is equally less than kind about adultery, murder and divorce (the very things that the CoE’s creator, King Henry VIII, couldn’t resist).

  14. NutjobsareeverywheretheUNtoo 27 Dec 2012, 1:39pm

    This just shows what an utter out of touch joke the Church of England is puppets to the twin set n pearl bridgade, they do not reflect the country they are supposed to serve. We need a new national all encompassing forgiving church. Henry the eighth would be spinning knowing what these judas,a have done to the church he created to modernise that nazi party members church in Rome.

  15. John Steel 28 Dec 2012, 2:20pm

    It doesn’t really matter how many people support gay marriage the point at issue,surely, is the right of the church in a free society not to have to perform them. The Chuch is not an arm of the state like some kind of spiritual Civil Service but groups of like minded individuals sharing common beliefs. They should no more be coercied to perform gay marriages against their deeply held belefs than the Labour Party be made to accept members of the Klu Klux Klan on the grounds of the need for political diversity.

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