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Obama petitioned to label Roman Catholic Church as a ‘hate group’

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  1. Can someone find the link and post it? I know a few people who would willingly sign it!!

  2. I’ll sign it..where is the link..

  3. Guys, the Federal Government does not keep a “hate group” list.

    1. I strongly suspect it does. The FBI have routinely track and monitor these groups since 2009 when hate crimes became a federal crime.

      1. Actually FFS is correct. They have terrorist list but not one for hate.

  4. Kind of annoying how often PinkNews publishes news articles about petitions but doesn’t include links on where to find them.

    1. Don’t be so lazy you big girl

  5. Scott Rose 26 Dec 2012, 9:57pm

    This petition asking IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman to Investigate the Catholic Church and Cardinal Dolan for violations of 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status violations already has over 6,000 signatures. Please sign the petition, and then re-post it:
    http://tinyurl.com/7rbdmmg

    1. Why not tell the Pope himself and send him a tweet on @pontifex
      I have already tweeted him about his failure to condemn the Kill The Gays Bill when he had the speaker of the Uganda Parliament kneeling before him.

      1. I doubt they pay any attention to what people say to them on twitter. The Catholic church isn’t exactly known for listening to its followers.

  6. Much as I despise what the Pope says, we should recognise that many ordinary Catholics do not agree with his statements on many things, including equal marriage.

    Just a shame they don’t speak up more.

    1. I’m not a Catholic, by the way.

      And I struggle to understand why people, especially members of the LGBT community stick with it.

      1. John Jones 27 Dec 2012, 7:46am

        Maybe because the reality does not match the hate-filled fantasy perpetuated within anti-Catholic circles (usually only found in Anglo-Saxon / traditionally Protestant societies, now known for their extreme materialism / secularism)?

        Go to a Catholic church and you may be surprised to find out that the reality is nothing like what one would think Catholicism is if they only relied on propaganda sheets belonging to the left-wing press.

        PS — the Pope never mentioned homosexuals during his address to the Roman Curia, but a combination of philosophical illiteracy and prejudice against Catholicism resulted (as usual) in confused reporting, at best.

        1. You are right. I just checked. Popey never said any of those things. It’s all a lie by the left wing press. Especially left wing Mr Murdoch.

          You need to look up the word “reality”.

          The catholic church, not materialistic? Have you ever been in one? They are packed to the rafters with silver and gold madonnas for a start. Or did I imagine that as well.

          1. Robert in S. Kensington 27 Dec 2012, 12:51pm

            The Vatican has one of the largest art collections in the world and other treasures. Cardinals living in splendour with servants, not to mention the Pope of course. It also has vast real estate investments, much of them exempt from taxation.

        2. So, who was the pope referring to when he said the following?

          “These words lay the foundation for what is put forward today under the term “gender” as a new philosophy of sexuality. According to this philosophy, sex is no longer a given element of nature, that man has to accept and personally make sense of: it is a social role that we choose for ourselves, while in the past it was chosen for us by society. The profound falsehood of this theory and of the anthropological revolution contained within it is obvious. People dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being. They deny their nature and decide that it is not something previously given to them, but that they make it for themselves. According to the biblical creation account, being created by God as male and female pertains to the essence of the human creature. This duality is an essential aspect of what being human is all about, as ordained by God.”

          1. This is the same crap that’s been doctrine of the church since the 4th century, when it was first set down by John Chrysostom: “The murderer dissevers the soul from the body, but (the sodomite) ruins the soul with the body…For I should not only say thou has become a woman, but that thou hast lost thy manhood.”

        3. Denial? Or usual right-wing propaganda which IGNORES the anti-gay stance of many Protestant Churches, especially the Anglican Church, which is split on the issue of gay rights.

  7. Archbishop M. Heckman 26 Dec 2012, 10:30pm

    I wish the media would use the correct title Roman Catholic Church. We have contacted the GBLT Media in the past, as well other major Media, on the term when referring to the Roman Catholic Church, to use the full title. There are many other Catholic Jurisdictions, The Old Catholic Rites, Independent Catholic Rites, and both Eastern and Western Orthodox Catholic Churches, including The Reformed Catholic Church of which I am the Metropolitan Archbishop. Many of these Jurisdictions do not agree with the action of the Roman Catholic Church and stand up for many issues in the Communities including support for GBLT Issues and Equality. The Reformed Catholic Church is an affirming global Catholic Church working very hard on equality, we have open serving GBLT priest, (yes both Men and Women), and we also hold same-sex marriages as a sacrament of the church. When the word Catholic and not Roman Catholic is used when referring to the Roman Catholic Church, you do an injustice to

    1. Well said Heckman, its the Vatican that we’re all at odds with !!!
      They fail to deal with sexual abuse in their own community, abuse womens’ rights, gay rights, promote the spread of STDs by opposing contraceptives, and (I beleive) have an in-house law defining the age of consent as 12 !! ???

    2. I’m curious to know if you have any presence in Uganda, sir.

  8. Achbishop M. Heckman 26 Dec 2012, 10:33pm

    When the media only uses the word Catholic and not Roman Catholic when referring to the Roman Catholic Church, you do an injustice to the universal Catholic Churches that support and work hard for equality for the GBLT community and many other issues. If you have any questions please call The Reformed Catholic Church National/International Office at 1 (866) 769-0075 / 614-358-4487 or 419-517-6762. Or visit our website: http://reformedcatholicchurch.org. I would be happy to put you in contact with other Catholic Jurisdictions that support GBLT Issues. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Reformed-Catholic-Church/193171067395100?ref=hl#!/pages/Reformed-Catholic-Church/193171067395100

    1. Thank you for pointing out that distinction. I will use the correct name in future.
      Thank you too for the GLBT support you speak of.

  9. “Chutch” in the opening paragraph. Really? Who checks this stuff?

    1. PinkNews is run by volunteers ! So give them a break.
      If you want to slag anyone off for bad spelling or grammar, just read SkyNews, BBC, MailOnline, etc etc. Those people get paid to get their wording correct !!!!

  10. Another Hannah 26 Dec 2012, 11:39pm

    I just wonder what on earth the RC church thought they were doing electing for an ex-member of the HItler youth to become pope! Surely this should never have happened to a decent organisation? Forgiveness for somethng like the HItler youth can only come in the next life? Presumably they think being Gay is a greater crime than wanting to commit genocide and killing millions of innocent adults and children! the mind just boggles to be honest….

    1. Forgiveness towards murderers, even mass murderers, is easier for many religions than acceptance of homosexuality.

      Just look at Northern Ireland as an example. The churches there have taken in murderers, yet are very outspoken in their disgust of homosexuality with the full knowledge that their public anti-gay opinions easily incite homophobia in a part of the world that is notoriously gay-unfriendly.

      That example is replicated across the world so it’s not surprising that a religion has an ex-Nazi as it’s figurehead.

      It does seem that all sorts of real criminals (murderers, paedophiles, etc.) will be forgiven and accepted by religions long before those of us who are deemed criminal by them just because of our consensual sexual preferences. Homosexuality is the most repugnant thing to most religions. Bizarre but sadly true.

      1. ‘Just look at Northern Ireland as an example. The churches there have taken in murderers, yet are very outspoken in their disgust of homosexuality with the full knowledge that their public anti-gay opinions easily incite homophobia in a part of the world that is notoriously gay-unfriendly’
        Just what exactly makes the above statement more accurate than if it was applied to done other cities in the UK (or is it GB, no doubt someone will correct me) what EXACTLY makes us so ‘notoriously gay-unfriendly’. Facts please.

    2. barriejohn 27 Dec 2012, 1:17am

      Are you naive, or were you attempting irony?

      http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/catholics.php

    3. The Pope was little more than a child when the Nazis were in power. It was the law to be a member of the Hitler Youth, no kid escaped and if they tried, it had consequences both for them and their parents. The Pope was not a willing member, by all accounts. Oh yes, he could have stood up to the huge state machine that the Third Reich was, many people did, but many more didn’t and just went along with it. He can’t be condemned for that.

      1. Well done for pointing this out, sadly a lot of the people on here are right wing hate filled gay fundamentalist bigots, who you cant have a reasoned discussion with. Over the years I have seen on Pink News is that the childish gays on here are more interested in being angry, rather then reasoned debate. Red arrow away!!!

    4. Hans-Dietrich Genscher, who served as Germany’s Vice Chancellor and Foreign Minister, and as the Chairman of the OSCE, was a member of the Hitler Youth too. Membership was compulsory and the vast majority of young Germans joined. We can’t write off an entire generation of Germans as evil just because they lived under an evil regime. It’s not like there is a shortage of things to attack the pope for – can’t we concentrate on his efforts to encourage the spread of HIV by opposing the use of contraception instead?

      1. “Membership was compulsory and the vast majority of young Germans joined.”
        If it was compulsory, ALL young Germans would have joined. (Jews & gypsies were not “Germans” by Nazi definition.)

    5. The RC church didn’t elect the pope. The College of Cardinals did. Roman Catholicism is not a democracy. The vast majority of RC people, including even bishops, have no say in who is elected pope.

      If you were a youth in Nazi Germany, you were a member of the Hitler Youth. You didn’t have a choice. The simple fact that J Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth does not prove he was a Nazi or had Nazi sympathies. Show me some real proof, if you are going to make accusations. I’m no supporter of the current pope or of his policies. I just think criticism should be informed and fair.

      Labeling the entire RC church a hate group because of the actions of its non-elected hierarchy is like labeling all of Islam a terrorist organization because of the actions of al Quaeda. It is ignorant, bigoted, and offensive. insulting the majority of RCs who support gay marriage, and church members whose pro-lbgtq activism was crucial in numerous lgbtq victories in the recent election.

  11. Hope someone in the UK gets inspiration from this article and creates a similar petition for the UK Gov.
    I’m not any good at doing such things :-(

  12. What a completely inane story.

    Time to hire an editor Pink News.

    Some quality control in selecting stories is needed.

  13. NutjobsareeverywheretheUNtoo 27 Dec 2012, 1:28pm

    Isn’t this the same retoric preached by the nazi party of which the pope was a member !!

  14. Leave my Pope alone…

    1. PeterinSydney 27 Dec 2012, 7:24pm

      I will when “my Pope” leaves gay people alone and in peace.

  15. C L Biding 27 Dec 2012, 3:41pm

    What so many people fail to see is that homosexual people are being used by the papacy to bring together all religions in the spirit of ecumenism under the ‘mother church’ (i.e. them!). Wake up people, it’s a ploy!

  16. PeterinSydney 27 Dec 2012, 7:23pm

    This plan should be fully promoted to teach Emperor Pope Vicious 16th a serious lesson in good manners.

  17. A note of caution – the US government will never label the Catholic Church as a hate group, but they might just decide to label Westboro “Baptist” Church as such. And as regards the latter request, there is the most popular petition ever generated.

    There are other things the US government could be asked to do about the Catholic Church, such as de-recognising the Vatican pseudo-state for diplomatic purposes or ensuring that all religious institutions have a proper child protection plan in place (and not just the Catholic Church- look up Tony Leyva).

    Sorry to put a dampener on things but I’d hate to see Barack ignore the Westboro petition ignored on the basis that this similar one asks for things that aren’t practical.

    1. In the last paragraph ignore “ignored”. Ta.

    2. And how about making religious institutions pay taxes just like everyone else – just as one might expect from the American Constitution?

  18. Har Davids 28 Dec 2012, 9:02am

    This is not going to happen. Get yourself out of all officials registers, so you don’t count as a RC sheep any more.

  19. Of course the Catholic Church is a “hate group”….by any definition, and always has been. Hence The Inquisition, Anti-Semitic rhetoric inclusing the protection of escaping Nazis after the second World War, and now this! The Catholic Church through the words and instructions from the Pope cannot be about LOVE…how else does one consider the fact that this “Church” wishes scores of children to be born in insanitary conditions to die young just because the Church does not condone Family Planning methods. What is a Church if not a Hate Group when its leaders rape and animalise young children and all this is condoned by the Church leaders who are frequently doing the same thing? Hateful people and the hypocrit Pope is the worst of the lot! Poor old John Paul 23rd must be swiveling in his grave!

    1. Google Pope Pius XII, for some shocking facts about the Papacy’s role in the Holocaust.

  20. carlo corbellari 28 Dec 2012, 6:12pm

    la chiesa cattolica è una fucina di odio verso tutto ciò che è sesso, come tutte le religioni integraliste: ebraismo, islamismo, cattolicesimo. fa bene obama a mettere chiarezza su tutto ciò. il clero romano, da sempre il più corrotto e il più ricco al mondo, tiene le fila di organizzazioni di estrema destra sia italiana sia internazionale, onde ottenere sempre più potere verso le popolazioni e le coscienze, uccudendo la libertà e facendo impazzire intere nazioni. il tutto con il sorriso e i crocefissi..carlo italiano

    1. Can’t argue with that. Mainly because I don’t speak Italian.

    2. Vergogna su di voi, carlo.

  21. The title makes it sound as though Obama is the one petitioning for the change, and not being petitioned.

  22. Ratzi should be at home in the Vatican. After all, it was a treaty with the Fascist Mussolini that established it as a State in its own right.
    If Ratzi really repented of his Nazi affiliations, he would renew the Concordat with the democratic Italian Government, and renounce the Fascist agreement.

  23. The Westboro nutters , and the Pink News nutters – not al lot of difference – both extremist groups .

    The great homosexual lobby thought crime – believe marriage is a union of love between a man and a woman and you are part of a ‘hate group’.And this from the people who march around as obscene caricatures of nuns and priests at their annual Nuremberg Rainbow Pride Rallies ! (funny how you don’t see them dressed as rabbis or imans !).For people who describe themselves as ‘gay’ I’ve never seen so many unhappy individuals .Sad people .

  24. Speaking as a straight guy:
    I think the Pope’s remarks destabilize marriage, as bigots spend their time spreading hate instead of teaching their kids how to treat people with respect.

  25. *headdesk* Okay. So, I want to start by saying that I’m a Catholic lesbian. I love Catholicism, I love the peace that I find in my prayers and worship. I have never felt judged by God. This is a peace that I’ve never felt in other denominations that I’ve tried.

    However, I feel SO much judgement from the PEOPLE of the church, and especially from this pope. I’m appalled by his words.

  26. Freedom of Religion. I dont’ like the heresy Pope Benedict said and believe he does not represent the scriptures on this matter. However, He does have a right to say as he wishes. If what he says is a problem let the Catholics take him to task for it. I will never agree that the state should dictate religion for we the people.

  27. Jean Pierre Katz 9 Jan 2013, 10:43pm

    I have often found myself thinking that the
    R.C. church is not a friend.

    My mother was denied sanctuary in a convent when she was fleeing for her life during the Holocaust.

    This pope was in the Hitler youth and there are many many events that indicate that the church was not at all at war with Nazism .

    And of course the church has been making war on gay people for a very long time.

    But when dealing with this huge church
    with 1 billion followers, it is not wise to
    counter attack with a frontal assault.

    It is better to pick battles where there is
    a chance for some good results.

    I don’t see this particular petition as one of these opportunities.

  28. I would also sign it. The pope and the church are a major hate group.

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