How about the PM stop picking on the disabled and poor?
Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, “Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.”
Why are you quoting a work of fiction?
The bible is a pile of old nonsense designed to give meaning to the lives of desert dwelling illiterate peasants who lived thousands of years ago.
It has no real value in 2012.
I disagree with you dAVID on many things you say, but on this occasion you are spot on – very well said!
In fact dAVID is totally inaccurate!
The Bible is a hotch-potch of acceptable works for the socially conservative, mysoginistic bishops of the 4th Century AD. It would seem that as far as Bishops go, nothing has changed very much. There was a massive swing to the ravings of St Paul who effectively destroyed the intellectual message of Gnosticism because it was too “difficult” for “masses” to understand and contained very sinister truths e.g.the primacy of Mary Magdalene amongst the Apostles. That really pissed of both Paul and Peter the Galilean. The Bible is not nonsense; it is hugely allegorical and must be read with a degree of contemporary knowledge AND it is a history book. In such a case it is useful to read as an example of the times but should not be read as an instruction on how to behave.
It is NOT a history book – it is a colection of fairytales and myths compiled into its present form about 1000 years ago, with the purpose of keeping the illiterate masses obedient,
Its only useful purpose in 2012 is if you run out of toilet paper.
‘Jesus was the prince of peace’ – I wonder if he’ll be thinking about that when he spends £40 billion on bombs, tanks, guns. christians (and muslims) are such lying hypoccrites.
Well that’s just it, politicians rely on the stupidity of the general public. A lot of people out there will not notice the inconsistency between that remark and the actual fact that religion has caused untold death and destruction across the world.
Jesus may have been the prince of peace.
But he is still a fictional; character.
Santa Claus is a far more pleasant Christmas character.
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, t renders the heart torpid or produces only atheists or fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of despotism, and as ameans of wealth, the avarice of priests, but so far as respects the good of man in general it leads to nothing here or hereafter. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
Islam, judaism, hinduism, scientology, sikhism are just as nonsensical though
It’s about time the politicians stopped treading on eggshells around the religious. When it comes to same-sex marriage the government has been more than considerate to Christians, yet even this isn’t enough for these bigots. I’m also fed up with religious people saying “politics should stay out of religion” when actually it should be “religion should stay out of politics”, I’ve read plenty of comments on the Mail website stating the former.
The bottom line is that these Christians are trying to use Bronze Age texts which contain dubious accounts to influence public policy. This BBC Radio Five Live clip with Professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou at least presents a more logical explanation than the mumbo jumbo Christians believe:
“Religion should stay out of politics.” What an admirable statement. First easy step is to sack the bishops from the House of Lords. That’s not a natural place for them to be….they have enough to do with wasting money on huge edifices and, in the case of Roman Catholics, screwing their altar boys!!!!
The good thing is inside the next fifteen years those who believe in Jesus will be viewed the same way as those who currently believe there’s something in horoscopes or that some people can have vague communications with the dead where loved ones return from beyond the grave to speak to those who were departed from them was the message ‘Ask if my name began with an M’
Agree Aaron….thankfully religion is dying on its feet….they most certainly do not practice what they preach….with all the wealth they have if Jesus was alive today with is supposed to be what he was like he would give it all away….but instead of that they kept it to themselves because it keeps them in the lifestyle they dont want to give up….I am so glad I am an atheist with a free and open clear mind
Good point, I agree. And all the nonsense the church keeps spouting about gay marriage and women bishops etc just shows how out of touch with reality they all are.
What a load of old rubbish.
Christmas is NOT a christian holiday – the christians simply stole the old pagan winter solstice party and rebranded it as a christian party keeping loads of old pagan traditions.
If only Cameron could understand that religious people are at heart irrational and simply ignore them.
They will continue to be defined by hatred and stupidity.
The problem is that although the UK has one of the lowest church attendance rates in Europe, most people still won’t admit to being atheist. Of course according to the census, the percentage of people who consider themselves Christian has dropped to to 59% (down from 72% from 2001) but that is still a majority. Cameron is a politician and he still needs the votes of “Christians” to stay in office, no politician can ignore the religious, at least not quite yet. This country is still full of fence-sitters when it comes to religion, many don’t attend church and aren’t even well informed about the scriptures but still describe themselves as Christian because of an adherence to tradition.
Bit disappointing David.This sort of comment pleases nor appeases anyone
There are parts of the bible that are good to learn from. But there are many parts like throwing stones at unmarried couples, and punishing people for eating shellfish and anti-gay, anti-female texts that are complete nonsense!
I believe in the stuff about Jesus being a good kind man, and how gifted he was spiritually.
But i dont believe in many of the texts that go on about punishing people who are different by religious standards.
True Christians would accept natures work not try to twist people to their own image.
But you accept that the bible is merely allegorical and that it is a work of fiction compiled and edited about 1000 years ago?
And when you mention ‘true christians’ you accept that there is no such thing as a ‘true christian’ – there are simply different interpretations of the same work of fiction.
The quakers are no truer as christians than the Westboro cult are.
They simply interpret the same work of fiction differently.
Im certainly not religious but i accept that their are things that cant be explained by Science.(im spiritual but not religious) Im no fan of big organized religions like Christianity and Islam whom treat LGBT people and women, and minorities badly.
but i do have a lot of respect for the Buddhists,Hindu and Spiritualist religions.
I completly agree with you that many of these “religious” groups and closed minded on equality issues. But that does not mean that all relgious groups are like that. I don’t believe everything they say is fiction but i certainly think a lot of it is.
You don’t appease bullying bigots Mr Cameron
You face ‘em down!
Here ends the lesson.
Appease ‘christians’? I thought the quadruple lock was enough, obviously not. If anything, he should have taken them to task for their hateful, vicious rhetoric and remind them of the message of Christmas, good will toward men, love and peace. Instead, we get hatemongers like the pope and catholic bishops preaching and fomenting hatred towards gay people, that equal marriage is a threat to humanity, to world peace.
Thank goodness one Dutch minister Frans Timmermans had the guts to slam the evil one in Rome earlier today for his hateful comments. Cameron should have done the same.
For a proper Gay Christmas sermon and hymn, go here… http://tinyurl.com/cj63q2v
The census shows that christianity is dying out on the UK – Indeed, the numbers will be lower still if those who ticked christian actually had to tend church outside the social rituals – baptism, marriage, funeral.
He offended everyone else by invoking the asinine fairy tales of the middle east – which are NOT traditional to the UK and which have never once served any purpose beyond comforting the scared, controlling the weak and exploiting the vulnerable.
I want my politicians, from whichever side of the chamber, to keep both feet firmly planted in reality and not decrepit fairy tales.
The more DC gives in to religious zealots the more they’ll demand. Ultimately, he’ll never escape the quagmire they, his right wing flank and UKIP are pushing him into. Roll on 2015 for our next roll of the electoral dice.
“I believe in the stuff about Jesus being a good kind man”
Jesus wasn’t very kind to those who disagreed wit him. To the Pharisees and others who were sceptical about his messianic pretentions, he was often savagely vindictive. Any hint of cricitism was liable to produce a stream of invective: “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Chapter 23 of St Matthew’s Gospel).
And his dad – God the Father – was a genocidal maniac.
Loo at the way he murdered the 1st born child of every Egyptian in cold blood during the Moses tale.
Luckily it’s merely a fairytale though.
Otherwise the jewish and christian ‘god’ would be among the greatest mass murderers of his era.
So, it is OK for a bishop to compare all LGBT people to Nazism and Communism, thousands of people in recent times slaughted for the sake of egoism, so we hope the Police are standing by to listen to this sermon which we know is consumed by hate and bigotry and then can arrest the bishop if he causes this hate speech against sections of the community that form a part of his parish. If this was said about any another persons way of life or religion, the Police would certainly be on the doorstep. And they talk about peace for all mankind ! David Cameron should not appease the hatemongers, he should desist ! Christmas is a Pagan Holiday after all.
Ya know, there’s always going to be a radical right wing extremist christian to make trouble with others. I have, being a member in one, observed that in “bible based christian churches” about ten percent of the membership might be abiding in their faith. The rest of them are either professional meddlers and malicious gossipers, along with others being professional moochers or people that don’t repay their financial debts to others even in their own church. Last but not least there are the power control freaks who get off by lording their power control over others and basking in the lime light. So really what’s happening is that all there is a one percentile of those who would be vehemently opposed to Gay marriage, and another 4 percentile segment that is professing to be opposed because of their pastor’s insistence from the pulpit.
And yet for 100% of christians – their personal beliefs about gay civil rights are utterly irrelevant,
I don’t care if 99% of christians oppose gay marriage – so long as they do not try to use their absurd superstitions to deny me my equal civil marriage rights.
Poor old Cam. Between a rock and a hard place. Silly of him to go all religious now. Will be seen for what it is. Damned if he do. Damned if he don’t.
Oh yes. By the way, Jesus is very real and very much alive. Your problem is that either you simply refuse to believe, or you have a dislike because some asshole “christian” tried to mess you up and persecute you, or you haven’t genuinely sought to learn more about Him. You will find out when you’ve breathed your last breath that you will be standing in front of Him wishing that you could redo your life’s decisions about Him.
Merry Christmas to all.
Typical christian, babbling a pile of nonsense and adding a thinly veiled threat at the end (god/jesus will GET you).
Brenda – Jesus is a work of fiction to help stupid people deal with the world.
Get help Brenda you are delusional and need to reconnect with reality.
How very “christian” of you, Brenda. You fit the stereotype so,so well…
“Prince of Peace”
“I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword” (Gospel of Matthew 10:34)
Jesus also said he would come to divide families.
He also said for the amount you must love him, would be comparable to hating your family.
And in the Moses tale his Dad butchered the 1st born child of every Egyptian in cold blood
DC’s message is fine. The interpretion that he is ‘appeasing the christians’ has been put on it by the Daily Mail journalists to make a controversial story.
The bits PN haven’t reprinted put the ‘christian’ bit in context.
It is pretty obvious that for the right wing antis, the marriage equality issue is just part of a bigger battle for ownership of ‘Christianity’. DC is effectively standing up to them by making it clear that most christians are reasonable.
Oh diddums, Bishops are furious with him because of his stance on equal marriage. So bladdy what? Who gives a monkeys if the bishops are furious? It’s old, outdated tat and it needs a serious kick up the backside to move it into the 21st century.
get with modern times, bishops.
Personally, I think Cameron is doing a good job. He is in fact pushing this through against a lot of criticism. Cut him some slack, it can’t be easy going against so many of his own party. We sould support his efforts, not attack them.
Also the message, he is talking to the bigots in their own language and is telling them that they should be peacful and loving. Very clever in my opinion.