the way some of these religious bigots use the LGBT population as a scapegoat is so eerily reminiscent of the Nazi regime…
Funny how sky daddy is pretty adamant that being a lying bellend is against the rules – and yet these freaks break that rule with abandon.
And all this does is remind me of one key problem with the bible – the pages just aren’t absorbent enough…
The contempt I have for religion is reaching critical mass and I no longer feel any duty to distinguish the wingnut knicker-sniffing sex obsessed blame-mongering, donation-whoring freak form the rest IF the rest don’t bother getting up off their backsides and correct them.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Don’t give me any more of that steaming pile of crap “god is love” BS when all we’ve seen is a string of these hideous swines popping out of the woodwork to capitalise on the blood of fallen children
CLEAN your own house, or you no longer get to bloody complain.
Mine has reached critical mass, the majority in the church now need to speak up passionately for equality – sitting by and allowing these morons to get away with this is like seeing someone being beaten to death and standing by doing nothing to intervene. You know it’s wrong but are afraid to get involved. It’s time to take sides, stand up, and be counted. The tyranny of the few must be stopped, it isn’t representative of where the world is, or where it’s going, but if people sit quietly on the sidelines, hoping for the right result, or that it will pass, they may get the sort of intolerant, vicious, homophobic world that they don’t want.
Those few Anglican clergy, 130 of them in support of equal marriage weren’t exactly proactive prior to, during and after the consultation. They were rather inactive up until Maria Miller’s surprise announcement and they have the gall to complain it went too far? Well, maybe it might not have had they drawn a line in the sand and told the hierarchy to back off. They didn’t because they feared they’d be sacked or forced to resign. They have themselves to blame. Too little too late, I’m afraid.
Why does the majority of the church “need” to speak up for “equality”? Why do you use “equality” as a euphemism for special rights and privileges for homosexuals? And why do you think opposition to gay marriage isn’t representative of the world?
Let’s put it to a referendum. I’m confident that the majority of the UK would reject gay marriage and would happily put it to a vote any time. Are you confident enough that the British public are on your side to put your money where your mouth is?
If you are really interested in the will off the majority, let’s have as a national referendum whether churches and religious schools should have charitable status, or whether instead they should all be converted to leisure centres.
Having the same rights as other people isn’t ‘special rights’, Caligula. Or did you think that when women asked for the right to vote just like men, they were demanding ‘special rights’ too??
What insecurities do you have that make you want to bully and discriminate against another group of human beings? You mention churches. I personally don’t belong to a church but I’d never want to discriminate against people who do. Only the weak and insecure feel threatened by people who aren’t exactly the same as themselves.
But again – what are these ‘special rights and privileges’ we have, because I sure as hell haven’t seen any. Do tell.
You already have the same rights as me. If you’re a man you have the right to marry a woman, and if you’re a woman you have the right to marry a man. Exactly the same as me.
The special rights and privileges I’m talking about is the protection homosexuals receive under the law. Homosexuals are allowed into schools to indoctrinate kids, they go into people’s homes and businesses and try to force their lifestyles on people, and if anyone dares say a word in objection, they’re charged with a “hate crime”.
I wish I could report people to the police every time they “offended” me.
Ah… Caligula…. The True example of someone who has never loved, nor likely too. How Very sad!
Caligula… You just don’t get it.
As I remember this country doesn’t have arranged marriage as it law.
People marry the people they love. Why would I marry someone I would never love in the way people marry for. More to the point why do men and women have the right to celebrate Their love by marrying but what right do you have to deny me marrying the man I love or indeed Iris the woman she loves?
You yet again display you have no sense of the word love. People choice to marry (or not to marry) the person they love to spend their life with.
Marriage shouldn’t be about gender, Marriage shouldn’t be about sexuality it’s it Should be be about the right to love someone and have the choice to marry them… or not. The choice should be mine to make. Not yours to discriminate against.
Caligula – I think you’ll find you can’t teach who you are or how you are born.
You can, however (as too often see) Religious and religion being ‘indoctrinated’ forcing religious ‘lifestyles’ on all others regardless, esp children which in my eyes is mental child abuse. You clearly support this and You should be ashamed.
Nobody has a right to marry the person they love. The person they love may already be married.
In any case, it’s never been proven that homosexuals have the same capacity for love that heterosexuals do.
Caligula – anyone tell you ignorance and jealousy are a Very ugly trait in a human!!
All you’re doing is show up yourself as the lonely, bitter individual you are!
“Homosexuals are allowed into schools to indoctrinate kids, they go into people’s homes and businesses and try to force their lifestyles on people, and if anyone dares say a word in objection, they’re charged with a “hate crime”
No, homosexuals are no more allowed into schools than heterosexuals, so that’s not a special right. Go into people’s homes?? No idea where you got that from but I only go into the homes of the friends and families that have invited me just like straight people. So no yet again – LGBT people do not have a special right to go into people’s homes!
And no, we don’t “force our lifestyle” on people. People’s sexuality is innate. Of course, if you mean by ‘forcing our lifestyle’ on people that we dare to exist – well then, you’re right. Yes, LGBT people exist and they try to go about their lives just like straight people do – and that’s what really annoys you, isn’t it?
You haven’t listed a single ‘special right’ because you well know we don’t have any.
The truth is that you hate LGBT people and try to justify your hate to yourself and others by saying we have special rights and privileges when we quite clearly don’t.
What is it inside you that you’re trying to repress by focussing your attention on LGBT people? Your own sexuality? Your own perceived weaknesses or lack of opportunities? Normal, well-balanced happy human beings don’t go round looking for groups of law-abiding citizens to hate. Go on – stop for a moment and think about WHY you hate LGBT people, really think.
What “special rights and privileges” are entailed by having the exact same rights that heterosexuals already have? A referendum is a waste of time. We already know the majority of the UK public are in favour of equalising access to marriage, unless of course the person asking the question tips the scales by slanting the wording against.
However, if it will finally shut the likes of you up I’ll happily have the government hold one…on one condition. If you lose you leave, never to return.
Worth the gamble?
You really think the majority of the UK public are in favour of gay marriage?
I’d have a referendum on that, sure. Any day.
Yes I’m certain the majority of the UK public are in favour of equal marriage, and the polls back that line of thinking up. Just as your American counterparts found out last month, the tide has very much turned away from those that think like you, and the gap widens every year. If a referendum were to be held it would be 60%+ in favour of bringing in equal access to marriage. That’s why a referendum is completely unnecessary, because it would only affirm what everyone already knows.
Of course you’d have a referendum on that but it’s just your kind stalling the inevitable and you still won’t like the answer so why bother. You’ll never be happy unless you continue to have the right to discriminate.
To be honest Caligula I think you will find that most sane balanced people aren’t much exercised about this issue. They want to get on with their lives and spend time with wives/girlfriends rather than getting into a lather about those “gays” why wouldn’t they unless they had issues of course?
Yes, most people are happy with the way things are now. There’s absolutely no need for gay marriage, especially at a time like now, as if there weren’t more important things to worry about.
Gay marriage isn’t going to make homosexuals happy, it’s just self-indulgent timewasting.
Wrong, Caligula. Most straight people don’t care because it doesn’t affect them. Why do you care so much? Other countries in Europe already have equal marriage and some of those same sex married couples will be here and they won’t have affected your life one jot. There could be numerous same sex married couples in your town and you’d be none the wiser nor would your life be affected in any way – yet you want to deny us that right.
Why do you care so much, eh? Why are you so interested?
I think you’re another demented little christo-fascist, and yet another example of why I have nothing but contempt for the religion-boggled fools who snivel and cower at some facile bronze age death cult.
Everyone is equal, or no one is – It takes a special kind of drooling knuckle-dragging simpleton to not know this.
That phrase “bronze age death cult” is right up there with “sky fairy”, “flying spaghetti monster” and all that nonsense about not eating shellfish when it comes to militant atheist cliches.
Try actually reading a Bible for once in your life, instead of just parroting the usual talking points from http://www.richarddawkins.com.
Death cult – The OT is heaving with genocidal attacks on tribes, often including assistance by said deity (it stops the movement of the earth and throws rocks, for example). The NT has a human sacrifice in it (of a man who can control death). And then ends in the destruction of the world in Revelation. It’s wall to wall bloody death from start to finish – I’ve read the bloody thing and if I hadn’t already considered it a steaming pile, it would have put me off for life for being so wretchedly absurd and so utterly sodden in blood.
Caligula is obviously a C4M snooper. Their evil plan has backfired. Caligula the infiltrator. Boo hoo, didn’t get what it wanted.
Any excuse to show discrimination and people carry on like it’s the end of the world.
Newflash Caligula… It’s not (Unless you believe in the Mayans!)
Pathetic argument this ‘special rights and privileges’ campaign from someone who not only understand what equal and equality means but clearly thinsk he’s far too superior to dictate who has it.
It’s that attitude that seriously lets you down.
We had a consultation. 53% were in favour. Most polls of the British public are in favour. Even the Daily Mail poll showed 60%.
Now you want to delay by spending, wasting millions of pounds of taxpayers money on something we all know you STILL won’t be happy with the answer. So what then?
This is a stupid argument. If your so deeply opposed to equality in society, stability, you Never will be.
Get over it! Or simply put Move to a country that suits. It is Your freedom.
Let’s put that theory to the test and look at Canada.
You have to go back to 1989, prior to the government tightening the gun control laws, to find an equivalent event to the nightmare that occurred in Newtown. Canada’s extension of marriage to include same-sex couples has not resulted in a single gun-related massacre. Not one.
Any nasty little bigoted opportunist that attempts to link these two things deserves a punch in the face. The USA has many problems, but the extension of equal rights to LGBT people is not one of them.
I take it you’re using the modern definition of “bigot”, which apparently means any white, heterosexual male who disagrees with one of the minority groups with Protected Status.
No, I mean anyone who attempts to hijack an awful tragedy involving the massacre of six and seven year old children in order to further an unrelated political position based on prejudiced views.
These children aren’t even all in the ground yet and this man is using their deaths to push his agenda against a group of people completely unconnected to events. Whilst the word “bigot” gets overused on the Internet this time it’s completely deserved.
No, I think that is your own personal novel and new definition.
Ahh the “help help I’m a victim” of the privileged class terrified that their privilege is slipping away. Takes a special kind of delusional wingnuttery for the straight white hetero male to think HE is the oppressed one.
Wrong, Bigotry is taught and isn’t racist!
Your opinion of your self worth is clearly Very low!
Lets face it, these are just crazies. How do they get anyone to even listen to them in an educated society?
Sadly these so-called “crazies” apparently are wielding an ever increasing sphere of influence on the general populous of our cousins across the Atlantic.
While Obama is trying to address the issue of automatic weapons, gun sales have actually increased since Friday’s atrocity. There have even been calls to arm teachers to defend their classrooms.
“How do they get anyone to even listen to them in an educated society?” America is not an educated society, that’s the problem.
Get him into a lunatic asylum.
Sod the grieving families, sod morality, sod human decency, lets use this mass homicide as an opportunity to rip into the gays!
What haven’t they blamed us for? Inclement weather, natural disasters, the World Trade Center attack, the soaring heterosexual divorce rate, fewer straights marrying, children born out of wedlock, abortion,adultery, promiscuity, even the holocaust, you name it. Nobody ever dares to take them to task for it either and now this. Since when did we wield such influence and power I’d like to know? Who was responsible for hetero divorce and adultery before equal marriage was a reality anywhere?
You haven’t read your copy of the gay agenda?
Sylvatica – Is this month copy of Gay Agenda out all ready? I can never find it! lol
Contrary to popular myth among the homosexual community, homosexuals have always had a disproportionate amount of influence of power. Homosexuals just have a gift for worming themselves into positions of influence.
Take parliament as an example. It’s alway been full of homosexuals and deviants.
Caligula, you are clearly a true Christian. Would love to hear your views on Jew and Blacks.
I don’t believe in political correctness. Make of that what you will.
Parliament’s full of gay people, is it? How did we do it, Caligula? Did we get inside all the straight people’s heads and make them vote for gay candidates??
Or, in fact, are you making things up as you go along?
Gays are good at kissing arse (literally and figuratively) and backstabbing people to get ahead, so naturally they manage to weasel their way into positions of power, which they then use to promote other homosexuals.
Blimey Caligula… Your hilarous! LOL
You need to talk to someone, Caligula. You’re paranoid and losing touch with reality. And, as I suggested above, you’re picking on gay people because you’re angry at your own perceived inadequacies.
Sad. Sort yourself out and don’t blame your problems or lack of opportunities on other people.
Oh, don’t forget the holocaust and Stalin’s gulags Caligula, those are ours as well. Funny about what happened to Alan Turing though, given all the power we wield?
Caligula the loser weeping all over C4Ms crappy backfiring evil plan.
So you could say then that The Worm has turned!! lol
I’m beyond bored with these f***wits now.
How there can be so very many frankly backward people with a public voice in the richest nation on earth is beyond me.
Because the christian right has systematically dismantled the public school system, meaning that the general population do not posses the critical thinking skills necessary to see through their brainwashing.
James Dobson is simply wrong. Fucktard. Delete this comment, I dare you.
Another apologist. God is so butthurt about not being worshipped enough that he is going to kill large groups of children? Wow, what a trivial and sensitive God. He sounds like an asshole.
This is all nonsense, I believe it was the media and the whole “the world’s going to end” stuff. Or it was probably a family problem he had and when he committed suicide he wanted others to suffer the same pain he had. So back up your facts with something other than the bible, because no one really knows if that’s true or not. Oh, let me quote something from the bible that Jesus said about homosexuality… oh wait, I can’t, because he never did.
There is really something seriously wrong with the Evangelical Reich in the US. These people are insane and they walk amongst us.
This is getting pathetic.
Take your suit and your evil bastard god and stuff it up yer arse.
I an so tired of this sh!t.
F OFF. Die why dont you.
STOP killing kids with your evil cr@p dressed up as religion.
I agree. I think someone who wantonly uses a tragedy for attacking and slandering an harmless minority is not only a bigot but a despicable liar unworthy of consideration.
Dobson has been poisoning the American airwaves for many years with his homophobic bullcrap, and if Jesus were alive today, he’d kick this guy in the butt & order him to never pray to Him again! He’s older than he looks and is certainly in his dotage.
What if God was punishing the Christian’s because of all the hate and destruction by the anti-gay Christian right?
Yawn… another small minded bigot!
Note to Bigoted extremists what happens in this world is nothing, repeat Nothing to do with any ‘God’.
It’s the doing of Man and man alone. You make the choice to have a religious faith that ends up bitter and twisted.
Believing the works of over-inflated ego’d ‘man’ics make them stupid and without the ability to think for themselves. They stand on ‘morals’…. what a laugh… they wouldn’t know what a ‘moral’ is, clearly!
James Dobson does have a point. As the western world slides deeper into immorality, and as God is cast aside, then it is a natural consequence when crime rises.
For crime to fall there needs to be a turning back to God in repentance.
Think you should learn to change the abuse of using ‘God’ as an excuse.
The saddest thing is, some people believe him and agree with him. Pathetic brainless idiots.