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UK: Gay Tory group writes to 303 Tory MPs in plea to support same-sex marriage

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  1. You can just hear the likes of Peter Bone screwing up the letter and cursing loudly as he does so, like the ridiculous homophobe that he is.

  2. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2012, 2:19pm

    Well, here’s hoping.

    Of course it suit the bigots to continue to remain ‘blinded by ignorance’ on the fact that this government did have a mandate for Marriage Equality.

    That aside I think decency will win through and about time it will be too!

  3. Robert in S. Kensington 18 Dec 2012, 2:40pm

    Commendable, but I don’t think it’s going to do much to convince the majority of the bigots. Their minds are already made up and they really don’t care if their party loses the election in 2015 which won’t be because of equal marriage as they seem to delude themselves into thinking. They’re quite prepared to let it happen as a matter of principle and personal beliefs as well as kow-towing to religious nutters in their constituencies. They’re on the losing side in my view and they know it.

  4. GulliverUK 18 Dec 2012, 3:19pm

    Finally. I was wondering if they would ever stand up to the bigotry in their own party.

    It is commendable, but it may be that the only way to focus minds is to declare, very publically, that they are breaking away from the Tory party for the time being.

    This is the Tory party’s GOP moment, a point where they go off the rails, start making more and more insane remarks, show the extent to which their bigotry, homophobia, misogyny, racist and xenophobia has developed, start talking about “legitimate rape”, mumbling about abortion and womens’ vaginas and inspection police, and one half of the party prepares (or delivers) the party a crippling election defeat.

    If support for SSM is an excuse why some are leaving the Tory party, it’s equally possible many are leaving the Tories because of the bigotry and homophobia being displayed. Even worse, both can be true !

    1. Hi Gulliver. I normally find myself agreeing with your posts, as so many are insightful, analytical and informative. On this occasion, I have to disagree.

      David Cameron is dealing with the matter of SSM in a measured and thoughtful way that has resulted in a broad church of support in the Conservative Party for it, including some members of the Conservative Right and Catholic/ Evangelical MPs. He has done so by adopting a measured tone, presenting good arguments, and keeping a cool head. An aggressive campaign against anti-gay elements on the right wing would have alienated supportive Conservative MPs who will vote for the legislation, and it wouldn’t have changed the minds of the opposition and would only have entrenched their views.

      There is really no comparison between the modern Conservative Party and the Republicans. Just look at how few Republican politicians support SSM compared to Tory politicians. Most Conservatives would feel comfortable voting for Obama.

    2. This is no time for socially liberal Tories to leave the Conservative Party. On the contrary. It is a time for those of us who are in it to remain there and support David Cameron in his courageous and principled struggle for SSM in the face of fierce religious and socially conservative opposition within his own Party. It is also the time for people who are natural conservatives but who have in the past been put off the Conservative Party by its appalling historical record on LGBT rights, to join the Party to show solidarity with David Cameron’s efforts for equality, to replace the religious and hard-right members who are (thankfully) leaving it, and to demonstrate to those anti-gay Tories defecting to UKIP that their claim the PM is destroying the Party by supporting equality is completely untrue.

      If modernisers and liberals leave the Party because of some reactionary elements within it, then the enemies of equality have won. We need to keep up the fight and support the PM’s stand.

      1. GulliverUK 18 Dec 2012, 5:52pm

        I do agree with your points, but LGBTory haven’t been the as vocal in the past as I would have hoped. I hope that one single act here, now, isn’t all they’ve got, but they will continue to dispel the untruths and counter the appalling homophobia and bigotry they see, and not be afraid to support our equality to the very fullest of their ability. But it is also for other Tories, and in particular other MPs, to speak out against the bullying and hateful incitement towards people who are gay that some Tories are whipping up. Politicians and commentators have warned about this excessive denomisation before and it has real consequences on the streets and in the workplace, with homophobic crime rising – and I would say directly in response to people like Bone, Chope, Lewis, Leigh, and the others. Blood is on their hands. Anywhere else they might be caught by Section 5 of the Public Order Act, and quite rightly. Opposing something doesn’t mean vilifying others.

        1. Gulliver

          Thanks for your thoughtful post. I regard the anti-gay MPs in the same way that I would regard any racist MPs: as being seriously in error, as being ignorant and inflexible in their thinking, as having attitudes that are inexcusable for any semi-educated person, and as not being fit to be elected as MPs. As you say, some of the anti-gay comments being made by some of these people can have very serious consequences in society at large, and they have a lot to answer for.

          LGBTory needs to continue to campaign robustly against homophobia and discrimination in the Conservative Party, and in society at large.

          I shall give what you have said about the degree of intervention by LGBTory a lot of serious thought. I am a member, but am not involved in running the organisation. I haven’t had any negative impression of their activism so far, but as I say, I shall give what you have said serious consideration, and think about what more might be done.

  5. Can dinosaurs read?

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